harem.king

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Not really. I mean, I can agree from a design standpoint, but it's extremely clear by now that catering to specific fetishes is where the money is.
1. By and large the highest earning games are focused on specific target audience instead of trying to appeal to literally everyone.
2. I have never seen a case where changing the target audience of the game years into development suddenly brought in a bunch of money.
3. I have seen multiple cases where it literally killed the project. As supporters cancelled their pledges so dev had to cut hours which delayed releases which caused more cancellations which spiraled into a dead project
 

Joey's Conscience

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Which this one is? I don't even understand what you thought you were replying to instead.
A passionate audience about the specific fetish the game is based around, not an umbrella of every fetish. I personally don't even like loli, but its clear that the game has catered to that demographic from the start, and most of the playerbase likes it. That would be the specific fetish for this game.

The vast majority of the current audience is not playing it for gay content, and a couple of scenes is unlikely to change that. So either this has been a big waste of time, or we'll keep getting more and more gay content in an attempt to effectively capture a bissexual audience, which only means less content and/or more delays for exclusively heterossexual content players.
 

babykeem

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I would love for you to try to create a game and add a bunch of content more then most creators do in the first place and get done in a decent time frame with good quality, your just impatient and it shows you obviously don't know how hard it is to create content as a artist then animate and code all by yourself it takes time

If you think you could put out good content and the same amount of content that gets added per update that is well animated well designed and do the coding all by yourself then be my guest
our opinions arent invalidated just because most of us dont know how to make games. it's like watching usain bolt run at the speed of an average genshin impact player, ofc we can criticise that and say he could do better especially since this is what he's meant to be a pro at. it's an overexaggerated example, mald however much you want but we can give valid criticism even if we're not professionals at said thing. that's the point.

and right now with the amount of experience and support he has we can confidently say as a developer he's falling short, especially when the content we got wasnt even effective: it was made for a minority of the playerbase. all in all, if you think a RPGM game realistically cant deliver quality content more effectively than this then that's just delusional.
 

BorsDeGanis

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The game is 4 years 8 months old.
This is far too late to make major pivots like changing the target demographic from heterosexuals to bisexuals.
According to who or what exactly? Devs can do whatever they want to do. It is their game. I also find you gay panic dudes to be so cringe. Devs will add every fetish under the sun randomly and you don't say a word. The minute a gay scene is added you freak the fuck out. It's actually incredible how insecure some of you are. Fyi, many women look at your gay aversion as a sign that you are too insecure to take seriously.

Third, despite the ridiculous strawmans constantly being made here like "iT wOnT mAkE yOu GaY bRo", the real issue is, and always has been the fact that other characters are being put on hold because of content that only a very small subset of the playerbase will enjoy. An optional scene takes as much time to make as any other, and people would rather either have more scenes that they can enjoy, or have the updates come out faster. It's not a hard concept to grasp. People are entitled to their opinions even if they are negative.
A) No it isn't a lot of expended time. It is a few scenes in a big update with a lot of content. Hardly a dip in development time worth mentioning at all.
B) A small subset of the player base? How the fuck do you know that? There are a lot of gay and bi people in the world. If milda gets even a 10% bump in player base it literally is worth it.

A passionate audience about the specific fetish the game is based around, not an umbrella of every fetish. I personally don't even like loli, but its clear that the game has catered to that demographic from the start, and most of the playerbase likes it. That would be the specific fetish for this game.
You keep trying to define someones creation by your own standards. A game can be whatever he wants it to be. Clearly his crowd funding is only growing in size. And I'm sort of picking up here that you define 'gay content' as a fetish. Which really, is a nonstarter to begin with. I mean gay people aren't that small of a population and a rather large percentage of them use pornography regularly.

The vast majority of the current audience is not playing it for gay content,
Again, defining things you have no basis to speak on. You literally have no idea if the majority of people are on board with it. You are just extrapolating your beliefs and intuitions onto other people like it is some ordained fact.

and a couple of scenes is unlikely to change that.
Again, no basis for your statements. If it does do just that, you are going to look pretty foolish here. I haven't seen any drop in Milda's crowd sourcing. He doesn't seem to be losing anything here by doing this.

So either this has been a big waste of time, or we'll keep getting more and more gay content in an attempt to effectively capture a bissexual audience, which only means less content and/or more delays for exclusively heterossexual content players.
Jesus. This is such a reactionary comment. Not big gay! The horror! Everything is going to go up in flame cause the gays!
 
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feyan

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*looks at calendar* someone decided to open the boner's book of development eh~ bwahahahhahaha
 

harem.king

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According to who or what exactly?
According to human brain ability to analyze cause and effect and make prediction of the results of an action.
Devs can do whatever they want to do. It is their game.
> This is a bad idea
>> BUT MUH DEV RIGHTS!
facepalm.

Nobody said they are not ALLOWED to do it. It is just a stupid idea that can only have negative results on their finances.
As I have literally already explained before. You would know if it you actually read my posts.
Literally the post you quoted from describes it as "good advice to dev". Not "dev is not allowed to". And literally the post after that is:
1. By and large the highest earning games are focused on specific target audience instead of trying to appeal to literally everyone.
2. I have never seen a case where changing the target audience of the game years into development suddenly brought in a bunch of money.
3. I have seen multiple cases where it literally killed the project. As supporters cancelled their pledges so dev had to cut hours which delayed releases which caused more cancellations which spiraled into a dead project
Yea, dev is free to make stupid actions that will harm his finances.
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also find you gay panic dudes to be so cringe. Devs will add every fetish under the sun randomly and you don't say a word. The minute a gay scene is added you freak the fuck out
Citation Needed of me ever doing any of the shit you are blubbering about.
You are just assuming, and we all know what that makes you.

Actually no, not assuming. You are intentionally making bad faith arguments. specifically the worst kind of whataboutism, of the strawman type.
the type of:
> How dare you say murdering this specific man is bad!
> By saying it, it means you never said murdering women is bad!
> Ergo, you are pro women murder!
> MURDERER
This is the kind of argument you are making.

And it just so happens to be explicitly false argument. I DON'T stay silent as devs add every fetish under the sun
I have literally told an NTR dev to NOT add harem to his pure NTR game. Even though it is my most hated fetish.
I have literally told lesbian devs NOT to add straight to their pure lesbian game. Even though I have zero interest in it.

there is no "gay panic", you are defending the indefeasible and throwing a tantrum.
bleating "gay panic" as a shield.
 

Shadow135

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Someone has any updated save? lost mine and, to be honest, i'm not gonna grind 2 weeks again.
Thanks and sorry forasking
 

Joey's Conscience

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...Devs can do whatever they want to do. It is their game...
Dev was literally influenced to add this content by some of his supporters. Not his idea to begin with. Same with bestiality. Dev is obviously open to changing his game based on advice. But you are right that he is free to choose to follow whatever advice he wants

Devs will add every fetish under the sun randomly and you don't say a word. The minute a gay scene is added you freak the fuck out.
Lol, this is the first time I've ever said anything about gay content beind added in any game. I did however complain about other things getting added halfway through development. I've complained about NTR added halfway, while also advising a developer to add NTR in the very beggining, when he he said he was considering adding it later. Its about establishing what your playerbase is from the beginning, and not flip flopping every few updates.

A) No it isn't a lot of expended time. It is a few scenes in a big update with a lot of content. Hardly a dip in development time worth mentioning at all.
"A few scenes" isn't a negligible amount of content, each update doesn't have that many. And to create art and animation of this quality takes a substantial amount of time.

B) A small subset of the player base? How the fuck do you know that? There are a lot of gay and bi people in the world. If milda gets even a 10% bump in player base it literally is worth it.
Quick google search:
" Surveys in Western cultures find, on average, that about 93% of men and 87% of women identify as completely heterosexual"
In eastern countries, these numbers should be higher. Considering this game features NO gay content up untill this point, there's nothing that would clearly skew the demographic. I'm talking about people who WANT this content, not people who "dont mind it". These are different things.

Again, defining things you have no basis to speak on. You literally have no idea if the majority of people are on board with it. You are just extrapolating your beliefs and intuitions onto other people like it is some ordained fact.
Notice how you said "on board with it", not "want" it. Because you know that people who WANT this in the game is indeed very few.

Again, no basis for your statements. If it does do just that, you are going to look pretty foolish here. I haven't seen any drop in Milda's crowd sourcing. He doesn't seem to be losing anything here by doing this.
That stands to be seen. 10% growth is a natural expectation when a new update drops, can't take any conclusions from that. I think he stands to lose more than gain, but we'll see.

Jesus. This is such a reactionary comment. Not big gay! The horror! Everything is going to go up in flame cause the gays!
Ah, there it is! The strawman! Every single point I've made was about develoment time, and target audience. Not a sigle bad thing was said about gay people. But no "HE'S A REACTIONARY THAT HATES GAYS!" Get out of here with your virtue signaling.
 

meninomaluco

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Adding an extra to your point

"A few scenes" isn't a negligible amount of content, each update doesn't have that many. And to create art and animation of this quality takes a substantial amount of time.
According to the dev own subscribe the update is like 8~ scenes so is safe to assume is 8 to 9 scenes, this one scene on the update represents more than 10% of the total scenes on it, when you factor it to the wait time it feels a lot for something only a minor part of the player base WANT, worse if turns out to be something constant like every 2 updates, cause you can factor in time to draw, paint, and animate the "loss" factor start to become bigger.

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Dev was literally influenced to add this content by some of his supporters. Not his idea to begin with. Same with bestiality. Dev is obviously open to changing his game based on advice. But you are right that he is free to choose to follow whatever advice he wants
Also didn't like the Dev said no before to other community request like Piss drinking?, i mean yeah he is free to follow advice and do whatever he wants, at same time we can't say it's full free of guilty since suggestions and influences can be just denied.


In the end only the time will tell if was the right call, a bad call or didn't matter.
 
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