Zabon

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I can only enjoy ntr if it's a choice that I as the player make to allow something to happen. I will never enjoy a game where every decision is made for me. Even if I'm the one that makes the choice to lose a fight or not interfere and let a character get used and abused, it was my choice to make, I'm fine with it only as long as I can also win if I wanted to.
I'll do you under duress until you'll like it
And that's a great example of one of the kinds of NTR that I find least enjoyable if there isn't a way to avoid it. Sure there's a place for rape in porn, but let's be honest here, no one's going to be raped for days and come out of it suddenly enjoying it. Especially not if the people doing it are the villains of this game. Great examples of NTR done in a way that I think is good are games like Leane of Legitimate Crown 1 and 2, or Dark Blue. You get tons of NTR content, and you get to save the day if you want to, it's the best of both worlds. I know I'm no saint and like a fair bit of perversion and corruption of purity, but there's a line even for me and this one definitely crosses it in only a few short minutes. It's weird, because if the game was from the perspective of the villain, it probably wouldn't feel so strange, and I guess that's the point, but it's not for me. More power to the ones who do enjoy it though.
 

Ares02

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Great examples of NTR done in a way that I think is good are
while we are here, all the acerola games (Netorare Imouto Misaki, for example) are NTR storytelled from the point of view of the girl and that almost never have themes related to despair. Actually, the fact the PoV is always from the girl makes all the NTR really light and enjoyable.
 

Pretentious Goblin

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Well, now I know what game to play if I start to feel a little too good about myself. I like NTR and even I came out of it feeling like I'd been put through a grinder. Had a good laugh at the ''small phimosis dick'' attribute. Wish the game actually allowed you to visit the brothel to get told how useless you are at sex.
 

Ares02

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Well, now I know what game to play if I start to feel a little too good about myself.
They're actually funny, give them a chance if you have some time :D

I like NTR and even I came out of it feeling like I'd been put through a grinder. Had a good laugh at the ''small phimosis dick'' attribute.
Yeah, there I laughed. :D
Even more, when you have the main antagonist in party and go check his "attribute", that makes the comparison really merciless :D

Wish the game actually allowed you to visit the brothel to get told how useless you are at sex.
I actually think the whole game was make to foster a sensation of despair and "whatever you do, nothing good will ever come out" even a temporary relief (or comic relief, for us) like that wouldn't be in line with the spirit of the game...

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yeah, if that had been a little less depressing (or cruel/brainwashing toward the girls) I would have played it all, but like this was just too much...
 

Pretentious Goblin

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I actually think the whole game was make to foster a sensation of despair and "whatever you do, nothing good will ever come out" even a temporary relief (or comic relief, for us) like that wouldn't be in line with the spirit of the game...
Exactly, it mercilessly hammers home the inferiority and helplessness of the MC. In stark contrast to many JRPGs where the MC is constantly validated and universally liked by his/her peers. I can attest it works great if your self-esteem as a player is low and you can relate to MC in things like being outshone by younger peers/family members, or not being taken seriously, or having body image issues, or being a burden on those around you. They went out of their way to make the player feel like shit, and I salute them for that.

A good bit of small penis humiliation would have been the cherry on top, as well as another way to make MC suffer. After all, it's something he probably never thought about in his life, why not add lifelong, ego-grinding, self-loathing performance anxiety to his laundry list of woes? Being stuck with a subpar dick for life and being physically incompatible with pretty much everyone is a fine way to feel helpless and worthless.

What pissed me off though was the constant convoluted scheming around the character, especially the poison scheme. I would have preferred a more seduction-based approach rather than having to lie and use drugs. I stopped playing after MC's love interest gave in, I felt like the game had served its purpose and I was already having a seriously conflicted boner for hours.
 

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Exactly, it mercilessly hammers home the inferiority and helplessness of the MC. In stark contrast to many JRPGs where the MC is constantly validated and universally liked by his/her peers. I can attest it works great if your self-esteem as a player is low and you can relate to MC in things like being outshone by younger peers/family members, or not being taken seriously, or having body image issues, or being a burden on those around you. They went out of their way to make the player feel like shit, and I salute them for that.
The problem is that even if he could advance like crazy, he would never be good enough to just take down one thug without extra help, there was not even real advancement. Why going out of your way building a peculiar RPG system (which, by the way, was quite good) if the main character is helplessly handicapped?
Most NTR games from time to time at least throw a bone to the player / cucked-character, giving the feeling there's at least some chance of stopping the spyral of destruction (it doesn't stop usually, but is less depressing. Even the friggin' NTRPG2 has one or two moments of relief).

A good bit of small penis humiliation would have been the cherry on top, as well as another way to make MC suffer. After all, it's something he probably never thought about in his life, why not add lifelong, ego-grinding, self-loathing performance anxiety to his laundry list of woes? Being stuck with a subpar dick for life and being physically incompatible with pretty much everyone is a fine way to feel helpless and worthless.
I would have actually laughed at that, but yeah, I concur

What pissed me off though was the constant convoluted scheming around the character, especially the poison scheme. I would have preferred a more seduction-based approach rather than having to lie and use drugs. I stopped playing after MC's love interest gave in, I felt like the game had served its purpose and I was already having a seriously conflicted boner for hours.
I think I didn't reached that part, but I can see where it was going. I stopped at the dungeon when the MC tries to save the tsundere childhood-friend and get hopelessly mopped down by the underling guard, and you are forced to watch her "training" while on the other side of the continent, the main girl is just giving in to Mr.Alpha male (not to mention the sister that, for whatever reason, "joined" the other camp). That really took a toll on me.
At one time I even tampered with the stats of the game (I usually don't even use cheats when available), and found you are forced to fail for a lot of times... I stopped then, roughly between the fourth and fifth "training session".
I can see the point of writing good characters and painting adorable girls just to corrupt them later (it's not really my preferred genre, but I can see the appeal), but this is not even NTR anymore (I already said that? yeah, probably).
While the game is overall well done, well written, with nice arts, it's simply unbearable.
m1zuki, the translator did say about it "Not recommended for any delicate souls out there." , I should've trusted him more about that :D
or simply accept I'm a more delicate soul than I think XD
but I think I can seriously quote the part about "seriously conflicted boner", it's the only game I'm happy to have dropped.
 

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It was definitely the heaviest NTR game I've ever played, I got through it though despite not being a fan of the genre. At a certain point I just kept laughing out how unrealistic it all was, especially the "Dark" end XD....I mean... really? "I LOVED HIM, I'LL KILL YOU NOW". Man all of the games endings were just bad, the route that you are supposed to get some sort of vengeance isn't even satisfying, at all. Kill 3 guys out of like what? Hundreds by now, 2 of which were killed instantly. And kill the "Childhood friend" herself whom has seemingly forgot all past and history with you and what the mc has been through, it's all so ridiculous.

I imagine if you like the genre this shit is like a 11/10 for you though.
As a general hentai game though I'd give it a 8/10 simply because of the amount of scenes.
And as a enjoyable game?...5/10
Story? -1/10 easily, those endings are complete horse shit and nothing makes sense half way through
 

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As a general hentai game though I'd give it a 8/10 simply because of the amount of scenes.
And as a enjoyable game?...5/10
Story? -1/10 easily, those endings are complete horse shit and nothing makes sense half way through
while we are here, what happens to the (second) childhood friend and the sister?
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while we are here, what happens to the (second) childhood friend and the sister?
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iirc the princess gets turned into a breeding sow for Fat Bastard, while the sister is... yeah a cumbucket. I think Ace actually gets bored of her eventually, but she's too drugged-out on her own product to notice much.
 

Ares02

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iirc the princess gets turned into a breeding sow for Fat Bastard, while the sister is... yeah a cumbucket. I think Ace actually gets bored of her eventually, but she's too drugged-out on her own product to notice much.
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so in the end he got his love-interest brainwashed, barely kills the main offender before being offed himself, fails to save everyone person he ever loved and worse, doesn't even try to save the ones that were really powerless victims in all this?
good job, man.
This game was good only for the arts...
 
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so in the end he got his love-interest brainwashed, barely kills the main offender before being offed himself, fails to save everyone person he ever loved and worse, doesn't even try to save the ones that were really powerless victims in all this?
good job, man.
This game was good only for the arts...
Actually, those fucking dragons were behind everything, they sacrificed the girls to kill the evil guy. Every human was a pawn for them. I think this game is not different than ancient Greek tragedies where whatever the heroes does, they end up dead.
 
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I believe there is one ending where, you team up with the dark girl dragon, get stupidly powerfull and kill everything all dragons etc, total annihilation for all living things.

I myself never made it past the end where you get killed by your childhood love.
 
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Ares02

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Actually, those fucking dragons were behind everything, they sacrificed the girls to kill the evil guy. Every human was a pawn for them. I think this game is not different than ancient Greek tragedies where whatever the heroes does, they end up dead.
I take your word for it, even though I think putting this game on level of the Greek tragedies is a bit a stretch (I don't know, if you want give me more details we can talk about it XD moreover because I'll never lay a finger on this game again, too painful for my sissy heart).
Anyway, yeah, the dragons always gave me some issues...

I believe there is one ending where, you team up with the dark girl dragon, get stupidly powerfull and kill everything all dragons etc, total annihilation for all living things.
"dark girl dragon"... you mean the second childhood friend, the loli running around the city at night or there's another character I did never see?
(also, what happened to the nun?)
 
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"dark girl dragon"... you mean the second childhood friend, the loli running around the city at night or there's another character I did never see?
(also, what happened to the nun?)
yah the loli is also a dragon, although renegade or something like that? I believe you make clones and kill everyone with them.
 

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Nha, in that ending you team with the "vilain" who die/disappear soon after.
At that point PC has sufficient power to reach the bastard thus kill him.

But context : your stabbed.
By your former girl friend.
As to why?
Stockholm or otherwise, she finally was able to have the bastard go to war. For it to be killed.
Of course, its dumb all over, given the status of the PC.

Another nice point in that the vilain know about the PC for quite some time but chose to wait for him to suffer deeply enough. Of course PC do not know that.

As to dragons, who can tell, there to few confirmed data.
Knowing that pawns have the end move.

In any case, quite an uncommon game. Not something to recommend by default but suggest to adapted few. Tbs.
 

Pretentious Goblin

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In any case, quite an uncommon game. Not something to recommend by default but suggest to adapted few. Tbs.
Actually I'd be tempted to recommend this to people who have never heard of NTR or cuckolding or corruption, just to see how they react to it. If it weren't so overtly hentai, that is. They'd probably think the devs really, really hated someone called Imos.
 

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Yes, she' join with the noble who visit at 9 one v point.

This said 6 ending, the "best" one being the one I've depicted, it's an arsh game, something really rare so far. (not surprising it is?)
 

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"Dragons were also working for the sake of the world for the sake of the world, and also fought against the evil king that fought the world. The main character Imos attaches like a goldfish's feces to a brave person line."

Uh... what? I mean I know those are words, but just... Fucking WHAT? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY DUDE? That makes no damn sense. It is literal word salad. Now I know why the loli tag is on this game. The description seems to have been transcribed from the incoherent babblings of a 3 year old.
 
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