VN Ren'Py Completed Dating My Daughter [Ch. 1-4 v1.01] [MrDots Games]

[fried]

D’s Silver Ring and Chekhov’s Gun

I have some very good ideas with this, but if anyone wants to chime in. Doubt I haven’t thought of any idea you post, but it would certainly help hone the idea finally picked.

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Chekhov's gun is a dramatic principle that states that every element in a story must be necessary, and irrelevant elements should be removed; elements should not appear to make "false promises" by never coming into play. The statement is recorded in letters by Anton Chekhov several times, with some variation:

"Remove everything that has no relevance to the story. If you say in the first chapter that there is a rifle hanging on the wall, in the second or third chapter it absolutely must go off. If it's not going to be fired, it shouldn't be hanging there."

"One must never place a loaded rifle on the stage if it isn't going to go off. It's wrong to make promises you don't mean to keep." Chekhov, letter to Aleksandr Semenovich Lazarev (pseudonym of A. S. Gruzinsky), 1 November 1889. Here the "gun" is a monologue that Chekhov deemed superfluous and unrelated to the rest of the play.
"If in the first act you have hung a pistol on the wall, then in the following one it should be fired. Otherwise don't put it there." From Gurlyand's Reminiscences of A. P. Chekhov, in Teatr i iskusstvo1904, No. 28, 11 July, p. 521.

Note the difference between Chekhov's gun and foreshadowingChekhov was commenting on narrative detail and what details the writer should include. Foreshadowing only vaguely implies that an event will take place in the future, while the Chekhov's gun principle guarantees that an event will happen further aljong in the story.

Hm, interesting. I consider "Chekhov's Gun" to imply that something is introduced in a manner which helps it to potentially stand out (i.e., because of what it typically represents, the context in which it is noted, etc.) then it shouldn't be dangled in the narrative like a carrot you'll never reach or even see again. It seemingly allows for different details to be offered, just ensuring you don't emphasize aspects which will never have some relevance to the actual storyline(s).

Just off the cuff, let me mention that I'm a longtime fan of H. Rider Haggard and Thomas Pynchon. Not only them, but let's see where these choices go, maybe ...

The first is known for olde tyme adventure novels with fantastical elements, painted with enough adjectives per paragraph to give you literary diabetes after a chapter or two. He relies on archetypes more often than not, swirling their roles in a cinematic fantasy tale with loads of melodrama. You know where things are going overall, but he paints the ride in kids' crayons that are melted together and mounded very high, making it enjoyable to those of us who go for such unnatural gushes of over-the-top colourful expressions. Everything he offers supports a feeling of a moment and example of the iconic role(s) involved in the scene, and recognizing which elements are "guns" or not is actually not too difficult. But, there is so much surrounding the "gun" elements and their eventually obvious use that you kind of don't care: you're there for experiencing the ride.

I feel that the second is a modern day fashioner of quixotic prose tales with "guns" of varying importance: it's really best to just see the world from another set of eyes and accept your rationalizations+inner logical weaving as irrelevant to the story, I feel. The unobvious story will happen regardless of how you interpret the otherwise straightforward elements, while many things are presented in ways that force you into a context you don't yet understand. It's sometimes uncomfortable but fascinating storytelling (if you have the temperament) and elements become revealed as "guns" proper, but they don't always add up to something objectively satisfying as either cause/effect or observation/significance elements, I feel.

So, I'm very OK with guns becoming evident that never lead to a satisfying shot, but instead turn out to be blanks. Or, the caliber is far lower, the shot pattern extremely wide, compared to resulting in an expected crisp, single bullet hole. Because learning that your early beliefs of the blanks being evidence of real bullets was wrong or that a particular gun was not as equally significant in impact as others, could be part of entertaining storytelling, as well.

How much do you want to paint or wax colourful, to make the "guns" blend more into a tapestry vs a series of targeted results? Up to you, but I believe in the "guns" as useful storytelling tools, even when they misdirect or misinform.

I had a long day fixing a kitchen appliance install for a friend, so am winding down now and hopefully didn't mangle your point

 

[proximus]

Maybe Graham and his daughter could invite Martin to nudist beach along with MC and D.
D is far more confident and conscious about her body now and probably wouldn't be a problem for her (especially if you have enough exhibition/share points).
Doesn't have to be a full blown sex scene, just some teasing that would give Martin heart attack.

Or maybe, after Elena joins the "family", in a case of full blown sex scene. Orgy at secluded spot on nudist beach with Graham, his daughter, MC, D, Koko, Elena, possibly Margo and her BF.
Martin dies happy, while being deep inside Elena.

 

[Maldus]

DMD Chapter 3

Hi everyone,

Now that we’ve finished Melody v.10, it’s time for us to start working on DMD again.

We’ve received a lot of messages from our fans and supporters over the past few months, asking us about Chapter 3 and the ending of DMD.

I’d like to address these questions in this post, and also share with you the decision the team has made regarding these two questions in particular.

Our original plan was to finish the game in December 2019, which means there was only going to be 3 more updates.

At the present time, we thought that extending Chapter 2 and finishing the story in just a few updates would be enough.

However, after a lot of thought and discussions, we realized that we wouldn’t have enough time for us to finish all the storylines in just 3 updates.

There would be too many loose ends that wouldn’t be tied up, game endings that wouldn’t make it to the final cut, had we decided to conclude DMD by year’s end.

We know you love the game as much as we do, and it wouldn’t have been fair for D and her friends to finish their journey so abruptly.

Nor would it have been satisfying for anyone after such a long journey since we began creating this game just under three years ago. There are so many things left to do, so many scenes and storylines left to create, and trying to fit them all in just three updates wouldn’t be realistically possible.

So, to those asking if there is going to be a Chapter 3, the answer is a resounding YES!

In fact, the next update that will be released on Jun 29th will be the first one of Chapter 3!

Jeff Steel, a member of our team, suggested that we should end chapter 2 in v.21, with that trip to Seaside, and I agree.

So, the next update (v.22) will be the first very day of Chapter 3, and D and F will have a fresh start in Seaside.

Starting CH.3 now will have a lot of benefits for us (and for you as well):
• It will allow us to start a new fresh chapter and cover all the stories we need to at a fairly normal pace (not so fast, not so slow).
• That way, the character development won’t be affected, and the setup for the different endings will be a lot better.
• We will get rid of almost 4 gb of ch.2 content! So, for those with slow internet connection, the new chapter will be easier to download (and easier for us to upload as well).
• We will give the endings that each character deserves. We will have more updates to work with instead of only three, and that will give us enough time to plan the content better.

The new chapter will continue to have two days per update, just like we’ve been doing with chapter 2, and the main storylines covered will be:
• A true ending with D (we’ll let you guess what that could be rather than giving away our intended endings)
• The Polyamory arc (which will involve Jennifer, Elena, Georgina, and Rachel. Yes, Rachel. Multiple pregnancy ending is also on the table.)
• The Sharing arc (which will involve Graham, and Martin, and perhaps a future male character.)
• The Pet arc (you know what this means )
• Whatever arc or scenes I’m forgetting to include right now

How many updates will Chapter 3 have?

We can’t say for certain, but we know it we will have at least 8-10 more updates instead of just three, which means it will take us the rest of this year and the whole of next year to finish it.
We will continue with the 2/1 update, since it’s a method that is working for us and we want to keep it at least until Melody ends.
We’ll see what happens after that, as I don’t want to make a promise for something I can’t keep.

Saves from Ch.2

Perhaps the biggest issue regarding a new chapter is the saving transfer process. For those of you who’ve been with us since the beginning, you know this process has been a pain in the ass to get right. But this time, we won’t even try to get this method to work. It’s going to take me a lot of time to code it correctly and I’d rather spend that time creating content than working on something I know is not going to work for everybody.
Instead, we’ll give you a quiz to fill, and based on your answers, the game will create a different start. This method is already available at the start of Chapter 2 if you haven’t played Chapter 1 yet, or if the saving transfer method didn’t work for you.

Chapter 2 revision

We will get back to Chapter 2 when time allows, to rework some of the scenes that we felt may have been a bit rushed or needs a rework, just like we did with Chapter 1. We will also add the Rewards Gallery to Chapter 2. But it’s hard to say when this will happen, as it’s not a priority for us at the moment, given our restricted time schedule with both games.

Please keep in mind that because we stick to releasing an update across both games once a month (every month), sometimes scenes don’t always turn out like we hope they will, or we don’t have the time available to put everything into certain scenes that we’d like to.
The most important thing for us is to always assure you guys (and girls) that you will always get an update from one of our games, at least once a month.

As you already know, the games that we create are still a work-in-progress, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they will be the final version.

Once either DMD or Melody are completed, then we will definitely be taking the time to go back through each game to see how we can improve them.
That includes any plot holes, extending animated scenes, confrontational scenes that could be better or more believable, etc.

Final words

We can’t thank you enough for all the support you’ve shown us over the past few years. We know that most of our supporters are still with us because you know that we would never give up on DMD without a fight, and we thank you for standing by us.

You’ve been showing a lot of support to Melody as well, even though we know it’s not the game you would prefer for us to spend most of the year on.

So that’s it, I hope you like the news we’ve announced today. We’re also a bit relieved that we’ll be able to create the ending that DMD deserves.

Have a great day,
Mrdots.

 

[Jeff Steel]

DMD Chapter 3

Hi everyone,

Now that we’ve finished Melody v.10, it’s time for us to start working on DMD again.

We’ve received a lot of messages from our fans and supporters over the past few months, asking us about Chapter 3 and the ending of DMD.

I’d like to address these questions in this post, and also share with you the decision the team has made regarding these two questions in particular.

Our original plan was to finish the game in December 2019, which means there was only going to be 3 more updates.

At the present time, we thought that extending Chapter 2 and finishing the story in just a few updates would be enough.

However, after a lot of thought and discussions, we realized that we wouldn’t have enough time for us to finish all the storylines in just 3 updates.

There would be too many loose ends that wouldn’t be tied up, game endings that wouldn’t make it to the final cut, had we decided to conclude DMD by year’s end.

We know you love the game as much as we do, and it wouldn’t have been fair for D and her friends to finish their journey so abruptly.

Nor would it have been satisfying for anyone after such a long journey since we began creating this game just under three years ago. There are so many things left to do, so many scenes and storylines left to create, and trying to fit them all in just three updates wouldn’t be realistically possible.

So, to those asking if there is going to be a Chapter 3, the answer is a resounding YES!

In fact, the next update that will be released on Jun 29th will be the first one of Chapter 3!

Jeff Steel, a member of our team, suggested that we should end chapter 2 in v.21, with that trip to Seaside, and I agree.

So, the next update (v.22) will be the first very day of Chapter 3, and D and F will have a fresh start in Seaside.

Starting CH.3 now will have a lot of benefits for us (and for you as well):
• It will allow us to start a new fresh chapter and cover all the stories we need to at a fairly normal pace (not so fast, not so slow).
• That way, the character development won’t be affected, and the setup for the different endings will be a lot better.
• We will get rid of almost 4 gb of ch.2 content! So, for those with slow internet connection, the new chapter will be easier to download (and easier for us to upload as well).
• We will give the endings that each character deserves. We will have more updates to work with instead of only three, and that will give us enough time to plan the content better.

The new chapter will continue to have two days per update, just like we’ve been doing with chapter 2, and the main storylines covered will be:
• A true ending with D (we’ll let you guess what that could be rather than giving away our intended endings)
• The Polyamory arc (which will involve Jennifer, Elena, Georgina, and Rachel. Yes, Rachel. Multiple pregnancy ending is also on the table.)
• The Sharing arc (which will involve Graham, and Martin, and perhaps a future male character.)
• The Pet arc (you know what this means )
• Whatever arc or scenes I’m forgetting to include right now

How many updates will Chapter 3 have?

We can’t say for certain, but we know it we will have at least 8-10 more updates instead of just three, which means it will take us the rest of this year and the whole of next year to finish it.
We will continue with the 2/1 update, since it’s a method that is working for us and we want to keep it at least until Melody ends.
We’ll see what happens after that, as I don’t want to make a promise for something I can’t keep.

Saves from Ch.2

Perhaps the biggest issue regarding a new chapter is the saving transfer process. For those of you who’ve been with us since the beginning, you know this process has been a pain in the ass to get right. But this time, we won’t even try to get this method to work. It’s going to take me a lot of time to code it correctly and I’d rather spend that time creating content than working on something I know is not going to work for everybody.
Instead, we’ll give you a quiz to fill, and based on your answers, the game will create a different start. This method is already available at the start of Chapter 2 if you haven’t played Chapter 1 yet, or if the saving transfer method didn’t work for you.

Chapter 2 revision

We will get back to Chapter 2 when time allows, to rework some of the scenes that we felt may have been a bit rushed or needs a rework, just like we did with Chapter 1. We will also add the Rewards Gallery to Chapter 2. But it’s hard to say when this will happen, as it’s not a priority for us at the moment, given our restricted time schedule with both games.

Please keep in mind that because we stick to releasing an update across both games once a month (every month), sometimes scenes don’t always turn out like we hope they will, or we don’t have the time available to put everything into certain scenes that we’d like to.
The most important thing for us is to always assure you guys (and girls) that you will always get an update from one of our games, at least once a month.

As you already know, the games that we create are still a work-in-progress, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that they will be the final version.

Once either DMD or Melody are completed, then we will definitely be taking the time to go back through each game to see how we can improve them.
That includes any plot holes, extending animated scenes, confrontational scenes that could be better or more believable, etc.

Final words

We can’t thank you enough for all the support you’ve shown us over the past few years. We know that most of our supporters are still with us because you know that we would never give up on DMD without a fight, and we thank you for standing by us.

You’ve been showing a lot of support to Melody as well, even though we know it’s not the game you would prefer for us to spend most of the year on.

So that’s it, I hope you like the news we’ve announced today. We’re also a bit relieved that we’ll be able to create the ending that DMD deserves.

Have a great day,
Mrdots.

Good. We posted it. Wanted to tell you all but waited until the official news release.

 

[Jeff Steel]

Hm, interesting. I consider "Chekhov's Gun" to imply that something is introduced in a manner which helps it to potentially stand out (i.e., because of what it typically represents, the context in which it is noted, etc.) then it shouldn't be dangled in the narrative like a carrot you'll never reach or even see again. It seemingly allows for different details to be offered, just ensuring you don't emphasize aspects which will never have some relevance to the actual storyline(s).

Just off the cuff, let me mention that I'm a longtime fan of H. Rider Haggard and Thomas Pynchon. Not only them, but let's see where these choices go, maybe ...

The first is known for olde tyme adventure novels with fantastical elements, painted with enough adjectives per paragraph to give you literary diabetes after a chapter or two. He relies on archetypes more often than not, swirling their roles in a cinematic fantasy tale with loads of melodrama. You know where things are going overall, but he paints the ride in kids' crayons that are melted together and mounded very high, making it enjoyable to those of us who go for such unnatural gushes of over-the-top colourful expressions. Everything he offers supports a feeling of a moment and example of the iconic role(s) involved in the scene, and recognizing which elements are "guns" or not is actually not too difficult. But, there is so much surrounding the "gun" elements and their eventually obvious use that you kind of don't care: you're there for experiencing the ride.

I feel that the second is a modern day fashioner of quixotic prose tales with "guns" of varying importance: it's really best to just see the world from another set of eyes and accept your rationalizations+inner logical weaving as irrelevant to the story, I feel. The unobvious story will happen regardless of how you interpret the otherwise straightforward elements, while many things are presented in ways that force you into a context you don't yet understand. It's sometimes uncomfortable but fascinating storytelling (if you have the temperament) and elements become revealed as "guns" proper, but they don't always add up to something objectively satisfying as either cause/effect or observation/significance elements, I feel.

So, I'm very OK with guns becoming evident that never lead to a satisfying shot, but instead turn out to be blanks. Or, the caliber is far lower, the shot pattern extremely wide, compared to resulting in an expected crisp, single bullet hole. Because learning that your early beliefs of the blanks being evidence of real bullets was wrong or that a particular gun was not as equally significant in impact as others, could be part of entertaining storytelling, as well.

How much do you want to paint or wax colourful, to make the "guns" blend more into a tapestry vs a series of targeted results? Up to you, but I believe in the "guns" as useful storytelling tools, even when they misdirect or misinform.

I had a long day fixing a kitchen appliance install for a friend, so am winding down now and hopefully didn't mangle your point

Lol. I’m working on a story connection to the Silver Ring. Why did Rachel give it to D instead of keeping it? Where did Rachel get it from? I currently have ideas from the sentimental to the sexual.

 

[fried]

Good. We posted it. Wanted to tell you all but waited until the official news release.

I ... I'm going ... to get a drink, now.

(so happy! so verklempt!)

 

[Anonny]

This has been one long journey. I can't believe we're actually at the final chapter now considering how the ride has been. I'd say I speak for everyone in saying we're so fortunate that patreon couldn't stop the DmD train! Can't wait to see all the payoffs in the upcoming updates.

• The Polyamory arc (which will involve Jennifer, Elena, Georgina, and Rachel. Yes, Rachel. Multiple pregnancy ending is also on the table.)

Well... that was sort of... expected(?), yet is a surprise. I imagine quite a few will be happy about this for sure, but one would wonder if it will lead to a bad ending?

• The Pet arc (you know what this means )

Heh.

 

[RustyV]

D’s Silver Ring and Chekhov’s Gun

I have some very good ideas with this, but if anyone wants to chime in. Doubt I haven’t thought of any idea you post, but it would certainly help hone the idea finally picked.

I have two thoughts on Chekhov's gun

In regards to the ring I think it will mean something. Mr.Dots seems to not add padding to DMD.
What the ring may mean is not necessarily a everlasting symbol of love. The ring may become a symbol of D's betrayal. If D views her father's philandering as a break of her trust she may symbolically remove the ring. Likewise she may remove the ring temporarily whenever D explores extra-relationship options. D may remove the ring to make herself a free agent for gratuitous sex and put the ring back on when she is done with the meaningless encounter and now wants to be "Daddy's Little Girl" again.

Spoiler: Second thought of Chekhov's Gun

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[RustyV]

On a totally left field note.
Without voice acting we all (most likely) to some extent assign voices to the characters in DMD.
I experimented with the names of characters from Richard Brooks Cat on a Hot Tin Roof for D (Maggie) and her father (Big Daddy). I did unconsciously assign them with a southern drawl.
I had to change D's name back to Dee and the MC's name back. lol

 

[baka]

well, that was a very welcoming announcement.
I really thought that it was impossible to finish DmD in just a few more updates, theres so much more to do and all the routes to explore.
I really hope the sharing/pet will be interesting and not rushed, as we have tons of games that tries that already and we need quality when dealing with more hardcore stuff not simply a gonzo-style scenes with stupid plots.
looking forward to see what Chapter 3 can bring, and if its a success, maybe even Chapter 4!

 

[Jeff Steel]

well, that was a very welcoming announcement.
I really thought that it was impossible to finish DmD in just a few more updates, theres so much more to do and all the routes to explore.
I really hope the sharing/pet will be interesting and not rushed, as we have tons of games that tries that already and we need quality when dealing with more hardcore stuff not simply a gonzo-style scenes with stupid plots.
looking forward to see what Chapter 3 can bring, and if its a success, maybe even Chapter 4!

I can almost guarantee no Chapter 4. (When you give an inch.... lol)

 

[Http404z]

DMD Chapter 3

This is such welcomed news. I was sorely disappointed that DMD was intended to end with Ch2, but now I'm relieved and thrilled that they're going to run it through another full chapter.

Awesome news!

 

[401Grem]

I wish they would go back to 1/1 updates, every other month.

 

[Creeping Death]

DMD Chapter 3

• The Polyamory arc (which will involve Jennifer, Elena, Georgina, and Rachel. Yes, Rachel. Multiple pregnancy ending is also on the table.)
• The Sharing arc (which will involve Graham, and Martin, and perhaps a future male character.)
• The Pet arc (you know what this means )
• Whatever arc or scenes I’m forgetting to include right now

OH MY FUCKIN' GOD!

HELL YES!

... heart attack

Now I have to quote myself (2018-02-15):

Oh my, oh my, the puppy scene wakes some dirty, perverted expectations. Am I alone with it?

Perverts of planet earth, trust in the wisdom of Longo McFap!

 

[a1fox3]

If I have to suffer Rachel for pregnancy then I will but I hope we can exclude her if we want.

(The Polyamory arc (which will involve Jennifer, Elena, Georgina, and Rachel. Yes, Rachel. Multiple pregnancy ending is also on the table.)

 

[Blablablafapper]

Can someone explain "Pet Arc" to me?

 

[Horrible]

Can someone explain "Pet Arc" to me?

Woof.

 

[Blablablafapper]

Woof.

Well that's not good. (and disgusting)

 

[Pitrik]

I never seen good news like these I'm like a 5 years old kid at Christmas atm (but no for the pet arc)

 

[Horrible]

Well that's not good. (and disgusting)

Not really my taste either, and I have trouble seeing how the game could go that way without the transition being more than a little jarring. I mean, sure, it's a computer game; anything can happen. D or F could get cloned a million times to fight the rebel army and we'll get a MMF/FMM/FMFMFMF... scene in the next installment for all anybody can say. But it seems like going full "doggy style" as it were might take more than chapter 3 given the pace of the story so far. Chapter 7? Maybe. Just my opinion, but from a storytelling standpoint it seems to me that D has to bang a football team before she works her way around through the rest of the Daz character catalog.

It's one of those things that's been dangled since the beginning (as far as I know/remember) so it seems like there's some sort of plan in mind. I suspect it's a bit of a mcguffin/red herring tidbit, but who knows?