DigDug69

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Some people come here looking for games with deep and detailed stories and they don't care if the sex comes slowly to the game. As long as the story and build up are good.

Other people come here for: "Man: Excuse me, are you my long lost daughter?
Girl: YES!!!
Girl: FUCK ME DADDY!!!!!!!!!!!
Girl: Make me your WHORE!!!!!!"
A story is not really needed at all, just a few simple details about the characters. All that you need is an occasional line of dialogue that leads you to the next fuck fest.

This story is not for people who want the second option, because as seen, it took a very long time for F to get lucky with D. Because this game is story based, and heavily dependent on following a slow, but steady progression of the characters and the story, just the way that a lot of people like it.
 
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jojo1241

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Hey friends i have a little request can someone put the
Lain's Walkthough & Improvements Mod for the chapters 1-2-3 for android pls
With the gallery ;)

Thx and have a nice day ;)
 

Jeff Steel

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And, o
You can name D, that's why we all call her D, because she doesn't have a NPC default name, thus she is not a non-player character.

We make lot's of choices from D's perspective. Just in this latest update we made a decision with Margo in the park. I'm sure we'll make choices when she is alone at the competition too, in fact her going to that competition by herself shows she is indeed one of the games protagonists.

D and F are both the protagonists. We make choices for both of them, we see things from both perspectives, both of them are named by the player, both of them move the story forward. Being a protagonist doesn't mean they have equal content, or have equal choices.

This game is mostly from F's perspective (for male player immersion reasons), but the game is about D. She is the one who is gaining a career, making choices and growing as a character. Just like how Melody was about Melody, or Haley's Story is about Haley.
On top of that, D has the bigger character arc than F by far, which is why she is as much of a protagonist as F is in my eye.
 

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There are people here who work with MrDots and there are posts from them stating that he still planned on including beastiality, but that they were trying to talk him out of it. Jeff Steel was the one who discussed it on several occasions.
bestiality and mmf were both in the original sexual kinks l on Patreon Way back when. So this was MDots ideas before Hearsz, Gaetano, or I came in board.

As for bbc, Elena hunted at this in chapter 1 when taking about Jennifer’s mother’s dildo; and then the comment path when D is in Martin’s office added to that.

Aa for expectations of different fans:
- I understand that many (maybe most) fans either want at D only path or a F sleeps around path but D does not. I also understand that any ”other male” path has a viscerally negative emotional effect for them.
- On the other hand, many feel an unfairness off locking D down to only F when he has been playing the field. On top of that, some do not see a difference between D enjoying F’s pleasure with other women, and F enjoying D’s possible pleasure with another man. (Some way that is humiliating to the male character and criticize it, but don’t say the same in defense of D when F sleeps with others). ... (Then again not everyone has bought into the idea of compersion).

At this point, DMD has become the longest adult VN out there (unless I missed something), and I think the size of it allows for the three-prong approach to the story (fidelity - F player - sharing).
 

RustyV

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Unfortunately it appears as there is no D sharing path that allows D to have a go at all her potential sex partners in the same path.
The sharing path seem to be developing mutually excluding branches, D chooses Martin, looses Ryan and Margo, choose Olivia loose both Martin and Margo, choose Margo lose Martin and Olivia.
It would be nice to have a D sharing path that lets D have as many sex partner options as does F.
D may every well become the plot moving character as the VN progresses into Chapter 4.
 

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Unfortunately it appears as there is no D sharing path that allows D to have a go at all her potential sex partners in the same path.
The sharing path seem to be developing mutually excluding branches, D chooses Martin, looses Ryan and Margo, choose Olivia loose both Martin and Margo, choose Margo lose Martin and Olivia.
It would be nice to have a D sharing path that lets D have as many sex partner options as does F.
Guess we're seeing the same thing - I, too, am a bit disappointed and would be interested to see the options open up over time.

But then, it would truly be swapping/swinging and perhaps that may not fit the style of "sharing" which MrDots' team has been promoting thus far?
 
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At this point, DMD has become the longest adult VN out there (unless I missed something), and I think the size of it allows for the three-prong approach to the story (fidelity - F player - sharing).
You are not wrong.There is older games but they all are sandbox-Something Unlimited,Superpowered and Glassix.
 

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Unfortunately it appears as there is no D sharing path that allows D to have a go at all her potential sex partners in the same path.
The sharing path seem to be developing mutually excluding branches, D chooses Martin, looses Ryan and Margo, choose Olivia loose both Martin and Margo, choose Margo lose Martin and Olivia.
It would be nice to have a D sharing path that lets D have as many sex partner options as does F.
D may every well become the plot moving character as the VN progresses into Chapter 4.
I suspect part of this is due to time constraints, unless D is suddenly going to be having sex with a different guy every day.
I guess I will be going with Olivia / Graham then, if only one path can be chosen.
I like Olivia more than Margo, and I don't really like Ryan anyway.
I was a bit disappointed that the Margo / Ryan path is progressing faster (but it appears on the Olivia / Graham path something may happen after the completion)
I feel that swinging / swapping with Olivia / Graham is the safer path for D to explore her sexuality without being confused by feelings, plus I think Olivia actually cares for them more. I think this option also has more long term possibilities.
 

Nalex

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Sadly, once again the same mistake by Mr Dots.
In the first chapter, Martin fucks his boss and his dick is as big as MC's dick.
Now in his dream with D, his dick is average.
Why ? Always the same thing : Little dick fans who cry "F dick is too big, blah blah blah."
Consequences ? Mr Dots listening those baby cries and Melody MC little dick, SL MC little dick, Martin's dick size reduced when it goes interesting.
Seriously, little dicks morons you suck ! Mr Dots, stop listening them.
 
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BeeGee

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Sadly, once again the same mistake by Mr Dots.
In the first chapter, Martin fucks his boss and his dick is as big as MC's dick.
Now in his dream with D, his dick is average.
Why ? Always the same thing : Little dick fans who cry "F dick is too big, blah blah blah."
Consequences ? Mr Dots listening those baby cries and Melody MC little dick, SL MC little dick, Martin's dick size reduced when it goes interesting.
Seriously, little dicks morons you suck ! Mr Dots, stop listening them.
Maybe you should stop spending so much time staring at dicks.
I have no idea what you're talking about.
 

P4cc3r5

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Don't know if MrDots is on here or how to contact them but I think there are two problems with the latest release:

1) If you look at "day_39_00.rpy" in the "game" folder (can't recall if it's already visible in the standard download or if you have to unren the *.rpa files and decompile the *.rpyc files) we have:

Line 6111: if v_day34_margo_threesome:

As it stands if you're on the Margo path (had the threesome on Day 34) and the daughter interacts with her in the park but doesn't accept her party invite (foursome option) after the MC has sex with the daughter at the apartment later the discussion switches to assume you they accepted the invite & went to the party.

I believe this should be:

Line 6111: if v_day39_margo_party:

The Margo threesome option remains set and no mention of the party aftewards.

2) The walkthrough correctly states that if you're on the Elena or Jennifer paths one of them will call you after Georgina visits the daughter in her hotel room. It also states that additional scenes are planned for Elena+Jennifer, Olivia and Margo in a later release and only the Elena or Jennifer ones are currently implemented. If you're on any of the additional paths it's probably best to save after the MC says "Bye Georgina" when she's outside the daughter's hotel room as the next jump is to "label lb_day40_call_girls:" if the Elena or Jennifer options are set as the calls happen before the scene where the judge tries his luck with the daughter. This is probably where the check for the Elena+Jennifer, Olivia and Margo options takes place in a later release.

The problem is that currently the Elena option being set (v_day28_elena_threesome) overrides any of the others as at the end of her call it jumps straight to the judge scene. If the Jennifer option only is set (v_day0_jennifer_reject == False) then it bypasses the Elena call. I don't know if this was intentional because if your were a gigolo and were also on the other three paths you'd never see their calls if they were implemented currently.

If you were acting the gigolo the only the combinations of MC + daughter/Georgina/Cassandra + 1 of Elena/Jennifer/Elena+Jennifer/Olivia/Margo would work.

Edit: From a post below it looks like You are one of the writers for DMD Jeff Steel - thought I'd bring this to your attention to comment/pass on
 
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cxx

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good update as usual, only bad thing is that needs to replay it after next version comes.

d's roommate ruby could been melody's sister (if she had one) and boat captain could been from sunshine love mc's and his sister's daddy.
 

Lex Liber

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Aa for expectations of different fans:
- I understand that many (maybe most) fans either want at D only path or a F sleeps around path but D does not. I also understand that any ”other male” path has a viscerally negative emotional effect for them.
- On the other hand, many feel an unfairness off locking D down to only F when he has been playing the field. On top of that, some do not see a difference between D enjoying F’s pleasure with other women, and F enjoying D’s possible pleasure with another man. (Some way that is humiliating to the male character and criticize it, but don’t say the same in defense of D when F sleeps with others). ... (Then again not everyone has bought into the idea of compersion).

At this point, DMD has become the longest adult VN out there (unless I missed something), and I think the size of it allows for the three-prong approach to the story (fidelity - F player - sharing).
A few words in defense of the position of men. There are at least three aspects of relationship perception: biological, emotional, and social.

Models A (man --> many women) and B (woman --> one man) are biologically determined, since a woman must carry a child for a long time, and a man must only take care of his child (give resources through his "wife"). It's just necessary for the survival of the offspring. Therefore, a woman who has many men risks losing them all, and most importantly, her chosen one, who may simply refuse to support her in case of infidelity (if he knows that she gives her resources for someone else's child, not his own). But the purely biological task of a man is to impregnate as many women as possible (without considering the moral aspect). This makes the species more likely to survive.
But... a man, in case of loyalty to each other, can decide to give HER ALL his resources. And he will also be right, dramatically increasing the chances for HER (and offspring). This leads us to the next problem of emotional choice.

Emotionally, there are people who want to see a partner's loyalty and love in the plot, there are those who only want deviations, there are those who do not care. I would choose the model of free decisions make by characters, when decisions about fidelity - infidelity are made based on your special attitude towards your partner (F<->D). I like deviations but those are not main prize in story for me. Those only patterns on the main path. I personally also hope to see in the novel the story in its best, most sublime version - when the standard patterns of behavior in relationships were transformed to the patterns are based on a unique biological, sensual and emotional attraction specifically to your chosen partner, and on something else, perhaps some kind of magical predestination from above. It may sound like a fairy tale, but romantic players, including myself, believe that, even if unique, such stories can happen in real life. People like me, through all the troubles , obstacles and temptations, want this so hard.

And socially these days, strict loyalty or sharing of partners does not have much of an obstacle, except for criticism like / dislike. This is some influence even to the biological and emotional factors noted above. More variety of possibilities are available here now.
And that also makes sense: the story has a wide field of decisions for the developers, and for the characters and for the players.
And this uncertainty is one of the factors that excite the hearts of the players: how will this wonderful story end? Will it be a happy ending for this beautiful couple, or a fall into the ordinary (all whores will die in old age unhappy, counting a penny on the account and without vivid memories), either a bright tragic outcome (when the world kills lovers, but they will forever remain wonderful heroes of a fairytale dream about happiness).

So, despite the understanding, and maybe even a feeling of the masculine position of the owner, I do not want the story to become a story about how the male dominant got his own and put another prize of the paternalistic society on his shelf and everyone calmed down and went to play tetris ... Not. I want the story of F and D to be a deep and powerful story of the unique coincidence of two people who are inevitably drawn to each other. It seems to me that the DMD team is capable of this.

At the same time, I personally cannot, and even more so I do not want to somehow influence the development of the story creating by MrDots and the team. This is a kind of perception of the game from the point of view of fate: it will be what it is predetermined to be from above, and then how much we value this diamond will continue.
Personally, I want the story to be exciting, deep, and amaze us, the players, and always stay with us, in our hearts (this is already in chapters 1-3 for me). But I shouldn't want any particular move, lest I destroy the magic of this spontaneous miracle with rational explanations. Dots and the team do this for us. We can only hope and see what they do, and can only want they did with the game, with the characters and with us.

Therefore, it is not necessary to block only opportunities for D. Indeed, the value of the game is not only in direct ramifications of the plot, the value is even more in that it will excite the players and pushes them to look at the real world and their actions in it. This core essense of the plot. Without conflicts that touch and can both strengthen or destroy characters, there is no development. We only hope that they are so strong and in love that they will win this quest. [And we will have the possibility to choose appropriate path for this]. And for players in real life, the great value is that the choice of the path for the characters can be very catchy and impressive for them. So far, the story is good in my opinion. Personally, I hope the DMD team wants to make a deep drama that might even become a great book later (I would buy it). We are watching you DMD))

By the way, I really enjoyed the meeting with Rachel in Chapter 3 and the subsequent F&D dialogues in the cafe, it was strong and in line with my understanding of the depth of the story.

Again, this is all my personal opinion.

NB. And again - I want deviations too, but exactly as the individual patterns of each personality in the F-D pair unity. Not as "formal must be in the genre" factors, but as something that reinforces both the characters and the tension of the story. In this way, personality-integrated deviations can be even more interesting and exciting. Not formal, "must be in the way of X". And the game was named "DMD", nor "D and Girls" neither "D sexual adventures with all Guys".
 
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