VN Ren'Py Completed Dating My Daughter [Ch. 1-4 v1.01] [MrDots Games]

[DigDug69]

Like others, I am also on the no MMF, and no sharing with guys paths for the game, but unlike many others I seem to be one of the few who understands that it will be optional, and that the player has complete control over whether it happens in their play through or not.
If you don't want MMF or sharing with guys in your play through of the game, do not choose it and stay away from the choices that could lead you just to seeing the options for it.

It has been stated countless times that your choices in the game determine whether you are even offered it, so why are people still crying about it being included for the people who do want to have it in their game paths?

 

[Spfjolietjake]

Like others, I am also on the no MMF paths for the game, but unlike many others I seem to be one of the few who understands that the MMF will be optional, and that the player has complete control over whether they see it or not.

Unless there's another "glitch" or two seriously its nice the dev made it optional so to please two very different views of pervs. My mc is just selfish have no idea where he gets that from

 

[the66]

Hate to have to bring up such an old post, but is there anyway I cant get an alternative mega download for the 1st episode of this game as the mega download no longer functions as intended. It stops at 0 bytes and never progress past that point, though the other two episodes download without issue.

file is still there and ready to download. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[DA22]

The issue is how the game has evolved.
D is now becoming the protagonist, she is moving the story. Of course D is stronger in the D sharing path than in the D only path.
Look how F discusses with D what transpired when they were having group sex(?) with Margo and Ryan. D said she wanted to have sex with Ryan. F just accepted this and asked how she would want to do this. Then suggested they talk to Ryan after the model competition.
D can eventually have sex with Martin. Probably after Ryan.
Once she has sex with another man it will be easier her for to have sex saith other men.

There lies the problem. If game evolved, which is actually questionable (it feels more like a revolution), it is way too late in the game's development . It is same with adding suddenly incest or NTR genre or beastiality or rape or one of the other more sensitive tags into a game, it just leads to a bloodbath since avoidable does not exist on the internet. There are many examples around, MC focused games and NPC focused games just do not mix well due to the different requirements and needs of the players and that gets even worse if you play with pixelated family members. Either you do it from start or as a dev or you better do not.

 

[Dead123]

file is still there and ready to download. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yes but I never get it to actually download upon clicking the button it just says it's downloading, but never progress even thought the other 2 chapters downloaded without issue.

 

[fried]

There lies the problem. If game evolved, which is actually questionable (it feels more like a revolution), it is way too late in the game's development . It is same with adding suddenly incest or NTR genre or beastiality or rape or one of the other more sensitive tags into a game, it just leads to a bloodbath since avoidable does not exist on the internet. There are many examples around, MC focused games and NPC focused games just do not mix well due to the different requirements and needs of the players and that gets even worse if you play with pixelated family members. Either you do it from start or as a dev or you better do not.

Honestly, it feels as if you are reluctant to let characters evolve in this game .

D's evolution from Fairyale Princess in a castle - saved (in large part) by her Prince Charming - and then blossoming into more independence of thought+action while increasingly following her passion(s) ... has been rather clear as this story progressed.

Perhaps your insistence that this has primarily been a tale about the MC - and everything else spirals from him - might be limiting your perspective on how D's trajectory has actually been driving the central plot (with MC as enabling partner and sometimes catalyst). This could be especially acute given that his only change of any significance throughout (i.e., standing up to Rachel's rule) was mostly a setup for D to stand up and deliver the final blow for both of them and against the moribund past Rachel represented, forcing a breakout from her prior shell and freeing up their relationship with the only limits being society and their inclinations.

The MC has mostly been manipulating AND enabling D to inflict naturally disruptive influences in the main story as she's followed her passions, relationships with secondary characters, etc. while he's had the opportunity to cheat on her with impunity (what a great a guy). In that light, D's impacts on the storylines could certainly make it seem as if things have jumped beyond expectations if you felt that MC was, instead, the primary driver and focus.

Again, we have the parallel example in Melody of a similar setup: MC is enabler and catalyst for Melody to grow, can cheat with secondary characters, etc. and the player decides how far and with whom she evolves (through the eyes of the MC character, but that's just mechanics) such that her trajectory you mold defines the central storyline.

 

[DA22]

Honestly, it feels as if you are reluctant to let characters evolve in this game .

D's evolution from Fairyale Princess in a castle - saved (in large part) by her Prince Charming - and then blossoming into more independence of thought+action while increasingly following her passion(s) ... has been rather clear as this story progressed.

Perhaps your insistence that this has primarily been a tale about the MC - and everything else spirals from him - might be limiting your perspective on how D's trajectory has actually been driving the central plot (with MC as enabling partner) - especially given that his only change of any significance throughout (i.e., standing up to Rachel's rule) was mostly a setup for D to stand up and deliver the final blow for both of them and against the moribund past Rachel represented, forcing a breakout from her prior shell and freeing up their relationship with the only limits being society and their inclinations. The MC has mostly been manipulating AND enabing D to inflict naturally disruptive influences in the main story as she's followed her passions, relationships with secondary characters, etc. while he's had the opportunity to cheat on her with impunity (what a great a guy). In that light, D's impacts on the storylines could certainly make it seem as if things have jumped beyond expectations if you felt that MC was, instead, the primary driver and focus.

That is indeed where we strongly disagree in opinion and that the game in my opinion is way to MC centric to make a jump to D as the driving force of the game ever to come as logical. All relationships and threesomes are driven by whom F is in a relation with, while/during starting the relation with D and I do not see gay scenes of F with Marcus, Ryan and Grant coming after which he might share his lovers with D. . That does not take away that D and her development is a big focus, but as an NPC, not playable character. That is why I do like your analysis and work you put into it.

Another problem is though that it does not fit at this stage of the game where D yes has become much more liberal, but also just has started her relationship with F and is in love with F and still finds in him all that she wants and needs and it is wonderful, while F the driving force based upon his earlier choices before relation with D became serious has another woman on the side he might share with D. Her looking further might make more sense when the relation is older, become a bit more a habit and they would look to liven up their sex life. There is no reason yet though from F or D position to be looking into that yet. Last I say about this discussion though, since I am just repeating my points and for myself even do not care so much if there will be sharing, even if the moment in game nor the possible male options do not make any sense to me.

 

[fried]

Another problem is though that it does not fit at this stage of the game where D yes has become much more liberal ...

And yet, I - and others - have attempted to offer a number examples and explanations where it makes perfect sense ... when you view the game through a different perspective.

It is always your right to remain on an MC-focused way of looking at the game, but it honestly seems to be leading to both frustration and multiple posts which make the same, generalized complaints about the game. That doesn't seem to be taking the larger conversation forward with others as the game continues forward, I feel. You can metaphorically shout at the clouds and shake your fists in their direction, but the clouds will move of their own accordance, nonetheless

 

[DA22]

And yet, I - and others - have attmpted to offer a number examples and explanations where it makes perfect sense ... when you view the game through a different perspective.

It is always your right to remain on a MC-focused way of looking at the game, but it honestly seems to be leading to both frustration and multiple posts that making the same, generalized complaints about the game. That's doesn't seem to be taking the larger conversation forward with others as the game continues forward, I feel. You can metaphorically shout at the clouds and shake your fists in their direction, but the clouds will move of their own accordance, nonetheless

Yeah and the romantically inclined players that the game focused first two years on will feel way worse about it as me, to me it just makes no sense and does not fit the feel of the game until now or even the current feel of the game in chapter 3 based on my remarks of second paragraph. As long as D does not get raped, blackmailed while she likes it or similar I will survive. To me this is about as big a blunder a dev could make concerning big parts of his established fan base and their expectations based upon the first years of development, but luckily I am not the dev and will not have to deal with the fallout that will be there without a doubt.

 

[RustyV]

There lies the problem. If game evolved, which is actually questionable (it feels more like a revolution), it is way too late in the game's development . It is same with adding suddenly incest or NTR genre or beastiality or rape or one of the other more sensitive tags into a game, it just leads to a bloodbath since avoidable does not exist on the internet. There are many examples around, MC focused games and NPC focused games just do not mix well due to the different requirements and needs of the players and that gets even worse if you play with pixelated family members. Either you do it from start or as a dev or you better do not.

Originally DMD was supposed to be a game about F corrupting D into her doing more and more hard core fetishes. If you read the early tags there was a bestiality listed.
Over the long run of this VN things have changed. Other people were brought on board to create a team of developers, overall fan attitudes toward D changed, the plot of the VN became more involved, characters became more than stock 2 denominational stereotypes designed as vehicles to more sex scenes.
DMD evolved.
It's not what has been added since the VN's inception, It's what has been removed or amended.

 

[Torakiki]

This update was a very little quickie...but the game is great!

 

[DA22]

Originally DMD was supposed to be a game about F corrupting D into her doing more and more hard core fetishes. If you read the early tags there was a bestiality listed.
Over the long run of this VN things have changed. Other people were brought on board to create a team of developers, overall fan attitudes toward D changed, the plot of the VN became more involved, characters became more than stock 2 denominational stereotypes designed as vehicles to more sex scenes.
DMD evolved.
It's not what has been added since the VN's inception, It's what has been removed or amended.

Well I played the very first version of the game way back when and you had to be a very respectful father or it went horribly wrong for you. Thing is though, whatever were or were not the first tags and intentions, two years of development and time it took to develop relations over updates do make a pattern and trend. Now like I said before if F and D had been doing anal on the stage of a nightclub in update 5, it would have been a very very different game and expectations. It took until first sex though between F and D to what was it update 23 or so?

 

[Trikus]

If game evolved, which is actually questionable (it feels more like a revolution), it is way too late in the game's development

The problem with this thinking is the mmf route trigger with Martin is actually in Chapter 1. It isn't too late for the game to develop that way, because it is already well on the way to including that content. It is even highlighted in the Chapter 1 walkthrough to help people like yourself who don't want it make sure you easily avoid it.

 

[RustyV]

fried_ as always made several valid points.
Trikus too is correct that the seeds for D's current corruption were sown in the earlier updates.
MrDots often moves at glacial speeds bringing things to fruition.
How you view this VN seems to be what path you choose for D and F. On the D only path the VN is more F centric, as all other influences have been mitigated. F is the only partner for D and therefore the loudest voice influencing her.
If you play the D sharing path D is open to new people swaying her adventures.
In the last update Margo had D admit she was interested in Ryan and encouraged her desire to try sex with another man.
If however you play the same update in D only mode this temptation and external influencer is removed.
In summary D only keeps DMD as more F based and sharing permits D to grow and learn. It's analogous to locking Rapunzel away from the world in a tower, or letting the princess be free to see the world.

 

[Trikus]

fried_ as always made several valid points.
How you view this VN seems to be what path you choose for D and F. On the D only path the VN is more F centric, as all other influences have been mitigated. F is the only partner for D and therefore the loudest voice influencing her.
If you play the D sharing path D is open to new people swaying her adventures.
In the last update Margo had D admit she was interested in Ryan and encouraged her desire to try sex with another man.
If however you play the same update in D only mode this temptation and external influencer is removed.
In summary D only keeps DMD as more F based and sharing permits D to grow and learn. It's analogous to locking Rapunzel away from the world in a tower, or letting the princess be free to see the world.

Exactly. I do not understand why there is a debate over content. Sharing content is there if people want it, and non sharing content is there if people don't want it. Both sides win.

 

[SeveredRealms]

Been saying the same thing in my posts.. the option is there if you want to pursue it and if you dont then do not pursue but everyone has to rehash it and analyze it.. simply put in the words of Yoda Do or Do Not there is no try.....

 

[RustyV]

What do you need to have to get the Koko tickets to the concert that never came?

 

[Trikus]

What do you need to have to get the Koko tickets to the concert that never came?

various choices during the day score you points. You need to get 46 points. I believe one point is easily missed if you don't tease the daughter, and by extension lose love points, when she sings the Koko song. This happens before you even go to the event in the evening. In the dialogue you tell her your favourite music taste so D knows it for the questionaire. If she doesn't know that you will end up with 45 points. As for the concert, there was dialogue in the game that said the concert was in a couple of months time. Since Chapter 3 is currently only up to day 40, there is plenty of time for that event to happen. It will most likely happen in Chapter 4.

 

[DA22]

The problem with this thinking is the mmf route trigger with Martin is actually in Chapter 1. It isn't too late for the game to develop that way, because it is already well on the way to including that content. It is even highlighted in the Chapter 1 walkthrough to help people like yourself who don't want it make sure you easily avoid it.

And that choice was nothing done with for two years, hell D does not even know who Martin is beyond two or three meetings before chapter 3. Now why would she have deep feelings for him for that would make her want to jump his bones while she is in in love and in a relation with F? If he had gotten his hands on her in chapter 1 even before F and/or there would have been whole segments of them getting to know each other there it could have made sense, but team was to busy with Lukas in those days and the potential of a rape scene. Same as with that Margo Ryan scene, it is at end of chapter 3 after two years of completely different developments.

D may have blossomed and if F is in a relation with another woman as well possibly even had a threesome with another woman F has brought in, but she is still far from a sex monster that can't control her lust or curiosity while also just being in a relation she is happy with and deeply in love still.

 

[Trikus]

And that choice was nothing done with for two years, hell D does not even know who Martin is beyond two or three meetings before chapter 3. Now why would she have deep feelings for him for that would make her want to jump his bones while she is in in love and in a relation with F? If he had gotten his hands on her in chapter 1 even before F and/or there would have been whole segments of them getting to know each other there it could have made sense, but team was to busy with Lukas in those days and the potential of a rape scene. Same as with that Margo Ryan scene, it is at end of chapter 3 after two years of completely different developments.

Doesn't matter, it was there. It has been included since the early stages of the game. There is a dialogue choice with Martin in Chapter 2 that only appears if you started the sharing path in Chapter 1. It also lets you keep the route open or close it. When you start a new game in Chapter 3 it even asks you if you wanted the Martin path. All three chapters have given the player the ability to start or stop a mmf sharing path.

Since you probably skipped the content, there is a choice of porn movie that F and D watch in Chapter 3. One of them is a mmf movie featuring a while girl, white man and a black man. Watching that movie continues the Martin path. Martin is brought up during the day in unrelated context. This leads D to having a sex dream involving Martin, which confuses her. She then asks questions to know him better before he arrives and finds out quite a lot about him and then she gets to spend a lot of time with him when he arrives. She can accidentally see him naked if she takes him a towel when he is in the shower. He then spends time with her as he gives her training. Depending on your choices there is some accidental touching. It is a slow process but one that has been planned by MrDots since the first Chapter.