VN Ren'Py Completed Dating My Daughter [Ch. 1-4 v1.01] [MrDots Games]

[DA22]

Honestly, it feels as if you are reluctant to let characters evolve in this game .

D's evolution from Fairyale Princess in a castle - saved (in large part) by her Prince Charming - and then blossoming into more independence of thought+action while increasingly following her passion(s) ... has been rather clear as this story progressed.

Perhaps your insistence that this has primarily been a tale about the MC - and everything else spirals from him - might be limiting your perspective on how D's trajectory has actually been driving the central plot (with MC as enabling partner) - especially given that his only change of any significance throughout (i.e., standing up to Rachel's rule) was mostly a setup for D to stand up and deliver the final blow for both of them and against the moribund past Rachel represented, forcing a breakout from her prior shell and freeing up their relationship with the only limits being society and their inclinations. The MC has mostly been manipulating AND enabing D to inflict naturally disruptive influences in the main story as she's followed her passions, relationships with secondary characters, etc. while he's had the opportunity to cheat on her with impunity (what a great a guy). In that light, D's impacts on the storylines could certainly make it seem as if things have jumped beyond expectations if you felt that MC was, instead, the primary driver and focus.

That is indeed where we strongly disagree in opinion and that the game in my opinion is way to MC centric to make a jump to D as the driving force of the game ever to come as logical. All relationships and threesomes are driven by whom F is in a relation with, while/during starting the relation with D and I do not see gay scenes of F with Marcus, Ryan and Grant coming after which he might share his lovers with D. . That does not take away that D and her development is a big focus, but as an NPC, not playable character. That is why I do like your analysis and work you put into it.

Another problem is though that it does not fit at this stage of the game where D yes has become much more liberal, but also just has started her relationship with F and is in love with F and still finds in him all that she wants and needs and it is wonderful, while F the driving force based upon his earlier choices before relation with D became serious has another woman on the side he might share with D. Her looking further might make more sense when the relation is older, become a bit more a habit and they would look to liven up their sex life. There is no reason yet though from F or D position to be looking into that yet. Last I say about this discussion though, since I am just repeating my points and for myself even do not care so much if there will be sharing, even if the moment in game nor the possible male options do not make any sense to me.

 

[fried]

Another problem is though that it does not fit at this stage of the game where D yes has become much more liberal ...

And yet, I - and others - have attempted to offer a number examples and explanations where it makes perfect sense ... when you view the game through a different perspective.

It is always your right to remain on an MC-focused way of looking at the game, but it honestly seems to be leading to both frustration and multiple posts which make the same, generalized complaints about the game. That doesn't seem to be taking the larger conversation forward with others as the game continues forward, I feel. You can metaphorically shout at the clouds and shake your fists in their direction, but the clouds will move of their own accordance, nonetheless

 

[DA22]

And yet, I - and others - have attmpted to offer a number examples and explanations where it makes perfect sense ... when you view the game through a different perspective.

It is always your right to remain on a MC-focused way of looking at the game, but it honestly seems to be leading to both frustration and multiple posts that making the same, generalized complaints about the game. That's doesn't seem to be taking the larger conversation forward with others as the game continues forward, I feel. You can metaphorically shout at the clouds and shake your fists in their direction, but the clouds will move of their own accordance, nonetheless

Yeah and the romantically inclined players that the game focused first two years on will feel way worse about it as me, to me it just makes no sense and does not fit the feel of the game until now or even the current feel of the game in chapter 3 based on my remarks of second paragraph. As long as D does not get raped, blackmailed while she likes it or similar I will survive. To me this is about as big a blunder a dev could make concerning big parts of his established fan base and their expectations based upon the first years of development, but luckily I am not the dev and will not have to deal with the fallout that will be there without a doubt.

 

[RustyV]

There lies the problem. If game evolved, which is actually questionable (it feels more like a revolution), it is way too late in the game's development . It is same with adding suddenly incest or NTR genre or beastiality or rape or one of the other more sensitive tags into a game, it just leads to a bloodbath since avoidable does not exist on the internet. There are many examples around, MC focused games and NPC focused games just do not mix well due to the different requirements and needs of the players and that gets even worse if you play with pixelated family members. Either you do it from start or as a dev or you better do not.

Originally DMD was supposed to be a game about F corrupting D into her doing more and more hard core fetishes. If you read the early tags there was a bestiality listed.
Over the long run of this VN things have changed. Other people were brought on board to create a team of developers, overall fan attitudes toward D changed, the plot of the VN became more involved, characters became more than stock 2 denominational stereotypes designed as vehicles to more sex scenes.
DMD evolved.
It's not what has been added since the VN's inception, It's what has been removed or amended.

 

[Torakiki]

This update was a very little quickie...but the game is great!

 

[DA22]

Originally DMD was supposed to be a game about F corrupting D into her doing more and more hard core fetishes. If you read the early tags there was a bestiality listed.
Over the long run of this VN things have changed. Other people were brought on board to create a team of developers, overall fan attitudes toward D changed, the plot of the VN became more involved, characters became more than stock 2 denominational stereotypes designed as vehicles to more sex scenes.
DMD evolved.
It's not what has been added since the VN's inception, It's what has been removed or amended.

Well I played the very first version of the game way back when and you had to be a very respectful father or it went horribly wrong for you. Thing is though, whatever were or were not the first tags and intentions, two years of development and time it took to develop relations over updates do make a pattern and trend. Now like I said before if F and D had been doing anal on the stage of a nightclub in update 5, it would have been a very very different game and expectations. It took until first sex though between F and D to what was it update 23 or so?

 

[Trikus]

If game evolved, which is actually questionable (it feels more like a revolution), it is way too late in the game's development

The problem with this thinking is the mmf route trigger with Martin is actually in Chapter 1. It isn't too late for the game to develop that way, because it is already well on the way to including that content. It is even highlighted in the Chapter 1 walkthrough to help people like yourself who don't want it make sure you easily avoid it.

 

[RustyV]

fried_ as always made several valid points.
Trikus too is correct that the seeds for D's current corruption were sown in the earlier updates.
MrDots often moves at glacial speeds bringing things to fruition.
How you view this VN seems to be what path you choose for D and F. On the D only path the VN is more F centric, as all other influences have been mitigated. F is the only partner for D and therefore the loudest voice influencing her.
If you play the D sharing path D is open to new people swaying her adventures.
In the last update Margo had D admit she was interested in Ryan and encouraged her desire to try sex with another man.
If however you play the same update in D only mode this temptation and external influencer is removed.
In summary D only keeps DMD as more F based and sharing permits D to grow and learn. It's analogous to locking Rapunzel away from the world in a tower, or letting the princess be free to see the world.

 

[Trikus]

fried_ as always made several valid points.
How you view this VN seems to be what path you choose for D and F. On the D only path the VN is more F centric, as all other influences have been mitigated. F is the only partner for D and therefore the loudest voice influencing her.
If you play the D sharing path D is open to new people swaying her adventures.
In the last update Margo had D admit she was interested in Ryan and encouraged her desire to try sex with another man.
If however you play the same update in D only mode this temptation and external influencer is removed.
In summary D only keeps DMD as more F based and sharing permits D to grow and learn. It's analogous to locking Rapunzel away from the world in a tower, or letting the princess be free to see the world.

Exactly. I do not understand why there is a debate over content. Sharing content is there if people want it, and non sharing content is there if people don't want it. Both sides win.

 

[SeveredRealms]

Been saying the same thing in my posts.. the option is there if you want to pursue it and if you dont then do not pursue but everyone has to rehash it and analyze it.. simply put in the words of Yoda Do or Do Not there is no try.....

 

[RustyV]

What do you need to have to get the Koko tickets to the concert that never came?

 

[Trikus]

What do you need to have to get the Koko tickets to the concert that never came?

various choices during the day score you points. You need to get 46 points. I believe one point is easily missed if you don't tease the daughter, and by extension lose love points, when she sings the Koko song. This happens before you even go to the event in the evening. In the dialogue you tell her your favourite music taste so D knows it for the questionaire. If she doesn't know that you will end up with 45 points. As for the concert, there was dialogue in the game that said the concert was in a couple of months time. Since Chapter 3 is currently only up to day 40, there is plenty of time for that event to happen. It will most likely happen in Chapter 4.

 

[DA22]

The problem with this thinking is the mmf route trigger with Martin is actually in Chapter 1. It isn't too late for the game to develop that way, because it is already well on the way to including that content. It is even highlighted in the Chapter 1 walkthrough to help people like yourself who don't want it make sure you easily avoid it.

And that choice was nothing done with for two years, hell D does not even know who Martin is beyond two or three meetings before chapter 3. Now why would she have deep feelings for him for that would make her want to jump his bones while she is in in love and in a relation with F? If he had gotten his hands on her in chapter 1 even before F and/or there would have been whole segments of them getting to know each other there it could have made sense, but team was to busy with Lukas in those days and the potential of a rape scene. Same as with that Margo Ryan scene, it is at end of chapter 3 after two years of completely different developments.

D may have blossomed and if F is in a relation with another woman as well possibly even had a threesome with another woman F has brought in, but she is still far from a sex monster that can't control her lust or curiosity while also just being in a relation she is happy with and deeply in love still.

 

[Trikus]

And that choice was nothing done with for two years, hell D does not even know who Martin is beyond two or three meetings before chapter 3. Now why would she have deep feelings for him for that would make her want to jump his bones while she is in in love and in a relation with F? If he had gotten his hands on her in chapter 1 even before F and/or there would have been whole segments of them getting to know each other there it could have made sense, but team was to busy with Lukas in those days and the potential of a rape scene. Same as with that Margo Ryan scene, it is at end of chapter 3 after two years of completely different developments.

Doesn't matter, it was there. It has been included since the early stages of the game. There is a dialogue choice with Martin in Chapter 2 that only appears if you started the sharing path in Chapter 1. It also lets you keep the route open or close it. When you start a new game in Chapter 3 it even asks you if you wanted the Martin path. All three chapters have given the player the ability to start or stop a mmf sharing path.

Since you probably skipped the content, there is a choice of porn movie that F and D watch in Chapter 3. One of them is a mmf movie featuring a while girl, white man and a black man. Watching that movie continues the Martin path. Martin is brought up during the day in unrelated context. This leads D to having a sex dream involving Martin, which confuses her. She then asks questions to know him better before he arrives and finds out quite a lot about him and then she gets to spend a lot of time with him when he arrives. She can accidentally see him naked if she takes him a towel when he is in the shower. He then spends time with her as he gives her training. Depending on your choices there is some accidental touching. It is a slow process but one that has been planned by MrDots since the first Chapter.

 

[DA22]

Doesn't matter, it was there. It has been included since the early stages of the game. There is a dialogue choice with Martin in Chapter 2 that only appears if you started the sharing path in Chapter 1. It also lets you keep the route open or close it. When you start a new game in Chapter 3 it even asks you if you wanted the Martin path. All three chapters have given the player the ability to start or stop a mmf sharing path.

Since you probably skipped the content, there is a choice of porn movie that F and D watch in Chapter 3. One of them is a mmf movie featuring a while girl, white man and a black man. Watching that movie continues the Martin path. Martin is brought up during the day in unrelated context. This leads D to having a sex dream involving Martin, which confuses her. She then asks questions to know him better before he arrives and finds out quite a lot about him and then she gets to spend a lot of time with him when he arrives. She can accidentally see him naked if she takes him a towel when he is in the shower. He then spends time with her as he gives her training. Depending on your choices there is some accidental touching. It is a slow process but one that has been planned by MrDots since the first Chapter.

Even if you are right that they left that option open in chapter two, the fact is that until chapter 3 they have done absolutely nothing about developing those parts of the game, two years of not developing them does give the game a character that you do not change suddenly without big risks, planned or not.

Now I do not know about you, but if someone just sees one porn movie and then dreams of other guys, especially BBC and then immediately thinks of one of your friends I will be searching for another woman. But that is just lousy writing actually more than anything else and shoehorning martin in as an option cause they want to after not having developed a reasonable reason and relation in first two years, not cause it makes sense.

The corruption of D might have been planned from start, but the way they have developed the game was not in line with that and the slowness of development and how MC centric it was by making D the default MC suddenly after having been just a NPC for two years just does not fit. Better have made a new game then about D ten years after F suddenly died of a heartattack in a threesome. Now of course they can shoehorn it in now in chapter 3 and 4, but you do break the established character of the game.

 

[Trikus]

Even if you are right that they left that option open in chapter two, the fact is that until chapter 3 they have done absolutely nothing about developing those parts of the game, two years of not developing them does give the game a character that you do not change suddenly without big risks planned or not.

Now I do not know about you, but if someone just sees one porn movie and then dreams of other guys, especially BBC and then immediately thinks of one of your friends I will be searching for another woman. But that is just lousy writing actually more than anything else and shoehorning martin in as an option cause they want to, not cause it makes sense.

The corruption of D might have been planned from start, but the way they have developed the game was not in line with that and the slowness of development and how MC centric it was by making D the defaault MC suddenly after having been just a NPC for two years. better have made a new game then about D ten years after F suddenly died of a heartattack in a threesome. Now of course they can shoehorn it in now in chapter 3 and 4, but you do break the established character of the game.

The developer clearly disagrees with you. Besides, when you come up with a story you have to keep some ideas for later in the story. George Lucas came up with a nine part draft for Star Wars. He didn't put all of his ideas into just one movie. He spread them out. I also gave a brief summary of the content. It plays out more in the actual chapter. Since you are unaware of the content, how can you possibly give an accurate rebuttal on it?

 

[DigDug69]

Even if you are right that they left that option open in chapter two, the fact is that until chapter 3 they have done absolutely nothing about developing those parts of the game, two years of not developing them does give the game a character that you do not change suddenly without big risks, planned or not.

Now I do not know about you, but if someone just sees one porn movie and then dreams of other guys, especially BBC and then immediately thinks of one of your friends I will be searching for another woman. But that is just lousy writing actually more than anything else and shoehorning martin in as an option cause they want to after not having developed a reasonable reason and relation in first two years, not cause it makes sense.

The corruption of D might have been planned from start, but the way they have developed the game was not in line with that and the slowness of development and how MC centric it was by making D the default MC suddenly after having been just a NPC for two years. Better have made a new game then about D ten years after F suddenly died of a heartattack in a threesome. Now of course they can shoehorn it in now in chapter 3 and 4, but you do break the established character of the game.

You do realize that your constantly saying the same thing over and over again, is getting really old?
Especially when everyone who responds to your posts disagrees with you and points out why what you are saying is wrong.

Sharing/ MMF has been a planned option since chapter "1". Obviously, they could not jump right into doing it, because you do not logically take a sweet and innocent girl and turn her into a complete slut practically overnight, as you would have needed to do to have that content in either chapter 1 or 2.

Turning her into that slut would take time and harder and harder experiences, as has been happening with each release.

You can scream all that you want about the sharing, but it is coming, "AS AN OPTION" that you can choose not to play.....

 

[DA22]

You do realize that your constantly saying the same thing over and over again, is getting really old?
Especially when everyone who responds to your posts disagrees with you and points out why what you are saying is wrong.

Sharing/ MMF has been a planned option since chapter "1". Obviously, they could not jump right into doing it, because you do not logically take a sweet and innocent girl and turn her into a complete slut practically overnight, as you would have needed to do to have that content in either chapter 1 or 2.

Turning her into that slut would take time and harder and harder experiences, as has been happening with each release.

You can scream all that you want about the sharing, but it is coming, "AS AN OPTION" that you can choose not to play.....

Uhm turning her into a slut overnight, while just having entered into a relationship with her dream man is however what is planned according to you and you think makes sense storywise. It would have made way more sense if she had been easily corruptible from start and had been fucking before update 10. If it had been planned from start the team should have been doing serious corruption work and laying those foundations with others way earlier in chapter one already and I am not talking one choice where you opened a possible eventual path and not after two years.

 

[Trikus]

Uhm turning her into a slut overnight, while just having entered into a relationship with her dream man is however what is planned according to you and you think makes sense storywise. It would have made way more sense if she had been easily corruptible from start and had been fucking before update 10. If it had been planned from start the team should have been doing serious corruption work and laying those foundations with others way earlier in chapter one already and I am not talking one choice where you opened a possible eventual path and not after two years.

Is there a broken record emoji?

 

[DigDug69]

Uhm turning her into a slut overnight, while just having entered into a relationship with her dream man is however what is planned according to you and you think makes sense storywise. It would have made way more sense if she had been easily corruptible from start and had been fucking before update 10. If it had been planned from start the team should have been doing serious corruption work and laying those foundations with others way earlier in chapter one already and I am not talking one choice where you opened a possible eventual path and not after two years.

She has had a very strict parent watching her every move.
She has had limited access to what is out there sex wise.
But.
That parent is now out of the picture.
She now has someone telling her to explore her sexuality.
She has Elena who has often talked about sex.
She has been exposed to hardcore MMF pornography.
She has been told to think for herself.
She has experienced sex with women.
she has experienced group sex with another woman and a man.

As you can see, she has been opening up and growing more and more sexually inquisitive, with F's blessing. In your play through of the game, she is apparently a sweet and innocent and loving girl, but the game is for other people with other fetishes to play also.
They did not build the game for a limited audience. They made the game for many people with different kinks to play.

How could you say that it will drive off the romance people, when one of the original planned fetishes in the game was BEASTIALITY??? And Sharing was blatantly mentioned as coming in the future. Anyone with common sense read the tags for the game and knew this going into the game.