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RustyV

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If I was viewing such a person, in a "vacuum", there is no inkling that he is capable of "extreme" behaviour.
Not saying you are wrong about DMD not being Great Expectations (except for when D will get popped), and more character development could definitely have been done.
But at one point in his life Himmler was a chicken farmer. Outside appearances are not a true gauge of a person. F could have always been who he became after meeting D, but just never had the opportunity to show the darker side of his nature.
 

fried

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Some of this conversation is perhaps moot, considering any prior claims to artistic value in DMD have likely been squelched due to the Patreon-induced reduction in production scope.

That's not a cop-out, though: it's always been a curious blend of walk-through and titillating choices/paths for the player with some interesting buildup on the notion of how the emotional balloon of (adult)child-parent reunion would fallout after it has popped. This isn't high literature, it's an adult visual game with sex and all. But, it has some curious options we don't often find in other games that do make it stand out, I feel.

From what we've seen, the path of gradual, MC-influenced, D-naivety-enabled romance has grown from the ashes of both characters having cycles of self-doubt over their parallel, budding feelings of mutual (but originally questionable) attractions. In most of the VNs with shared genres that I've seen, the leap into sex between relatives is far more jarring and hormonal.

That this story has grown like a slow, reluctant - but inevitable - case story for the theory of Genetic Sexual Attraction is interesting, partly because we've also been given "side show" outlets of supporting characters to potentially relieve the tension and anxiety potentially felt as we experience the slow evolution of our two protagonists. Heck, some people care as much (or even more) about Elena than D! Yet, if you look at this tale's path, it's D and MC who have evolved the most: from budding admiration and ill-fitting attractions - with self-analyses which originally fought to contain their inner urges - into a full-fledged, romantic couple on a mission of love - the rest of the world be damned. Yet, the rest of the world is either for them or against them, no in-betweens . . . because others have not forgotten they are related, even though the couple evidently has put that well behind themselves and view that reality as more of an inconvenience than anything of great moral or legal significance to otherwise address.

So, no: it's not *great* literature. But, it's a fun VN and somewhat unique in its development compared to others I have played, with a still-compelling storyline. It's not made of the best characterizations nor the worst, but as a first effort by MrDots' production house, a neat gem with which to start out a potential business. I like the characters and the roles they play, warts in their dialogue + some choices (especially by D) and all. It's fantasy with *just enough* suspension of disbelief to keep us entertained, perhaps.

Again, if MrDots or others made grand claims early on to the level of artistry we'd experience, at least some of that has surely been lost as the story necessarily used the separation as catalyst for taking their warming romance and newfound physicality to the next level of longing to become life-affirming desire - perhaps purposefully, as that's a real stage in real-world romances. Maybe it would have happened later if there was more time, possibly delayed by more conflicts that a longer production schedule could allow. But, as stated here many times over, we lost a potential Chapter 3 that could have explored the ramifications of this "wild love" stage and how it may/may not be GSA-related through self-inflicted hardships between them and by D finding a larger world by virtue of having newly widened lenses to focus on such, for example. So, some choices had to be made in getting to the meat of the primary path faster, while still integrating ancillary characters with some reasonable hardships to maintain suspense along the way. At least, that's my guess :)

The rest of any high-fallutin' claims made? Eh, marketing and honest hopes, I figure. I wouldn't hold that against people if we're otherwise entertained and have things to debate and/or look forward to with each release. While each of us has their own standards when it comes to these games, I feel that each chapter needs to have meaning and advance the storylines adequately for our speculations to remain high and hopes to remain afloat. It would be great if that can continue to the end, because all this discussion means we remain interested in what may occur in the next installment.
 

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"Marketing and high hopes"? OK. But it strikes me as deceitful. Especially, when a dozen or more critics challenged various dev-team explanations. If the dev-team reply had been, "Oh well! Dev's poetic license in these matters", I would have at least accepted (maybe not agreed).
But that's not what happened. Stonewalling, changing the subject, even verbal abuse of civil critics.
Why is it that devs who copy-cat each other in so many things rarely proclaim themselves serious writers? Surely, it is because of the 3 major strands of dev-work--rendering/drawing, coding and writing--outsiders (even casual fans) are most likely to criticize the writing as their (the outsiders) strongest suit and a dev's weakest.
Nobody cops to the role of poetic license! They probably wanted great things and this is the best they could do.

Imagine you made these hopeful claims - and, they were indeed hopeful and marketing tactics of a new production team - but then a relative minority of (strong) critics pointed out your potential flaws. And, you wanted to address such things but at the same time felt the critiques were missing the point (because, hey - it's your creation and others seem good with it), but weren't sure if it was worth the effort to make changes to the production model or not.

I can see creators getting defensive of their work product at that point - at least, in the sense of defending by explanation of their intent and how they felt it has been accomplished or planned by that point.

They shouldn't get too harsh, I agree - but, let's face it: sometimes people have extreme bones to pick, while others have honest work to defend. There's conflict built into that setup when expectations on both sides are not meeting. I'm not saying it's reasonable, but it's there and will occur in places like this.

You can grind on this point as long as you want, but is it truly constructive at this stage or merely tilting at the ghost of a windmill from the past? Mistakes were made: they weren't necessarily the worst errors in judgment, but they happened. And still, things have continued with many followers still riding along to see what comes next. So, for all of that prior clashing, we continue to have DMD installments and debate on what's coming next in light of prior chapters. I don't see a great need to gyrate on prior conflicts at this point because of poor expectation-setting and online skirmishes, because it seems most of that team and its fans have moved on.

That doesn't mean it's not instructive for future game development/developers to learn from these experiences and for this particular production team to improve on their model of game quality + fan communications, but at this point in DMD it just doesn't feel relevant to me any longer. I'm willing to be influenced, though.
 
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I wish, I could swap D with E (or J). Love the story so far, but J is the sweetest and E is also very cute, whilst D is just ...Baby-Doll for Porn. Just my opinion!
I think she's cute and great, but yeah i also like Elena and Jen more, don't know if i would swap them, but maybe so we could get some more time with them! Still i also think their storys right now is really interesting and fits them, and that the daughter somehow ties the 3 of them together..

But yeah, i also want more time with them, but don't know how we would do that storywise.
 
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RichardPMK

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So I am trying to DL this game as it looks interesting (and I have reached the end point of Depraved Awakening) and the first chaptor gets to 53% on the Mega Uploader then no more, downloading using another one and it drops to 150 kbs and taking ages, couldn't find the compressed download, any tips on getting the game?
 

armion82

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I think she's cute and great, but yeah i also like Elena and Jen more, don't know if i would swap them, but maybe so we could get some more time with them! Still i also think their storys right now is really interesting and fits them, and that the daughter somehow ties the 3 of them together..

But yeah, i also want more time with them, but don't know how we would do that storywise.
I wonder,will we see the unboxing of the giant dildo and Jennifer's training?
 
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Do you mean her mothers dildo? Or have i forgotten another one they bought? I really hope Jen's training continues but now they are in another country than her, but hope we'll see a bit of her at least......
Jennifer went out and got her own gigantic dildo, the likes of which has rarely been seen outside of Japanese hentai movies.
OK, maybe it wasn't that big, but it was a good start for her.
 

armion82

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Do you mean her mothers dildo? Or have i forgotten another one they bought? I really hope Jen's training continues but now they are in another country than her, but hope we'll see a bit of her at least......
She decide to get some horse size dildo for herself.
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At least she didn't go for this one:)
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She decide to get some horse size didlo for herself.
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At least she didn't go for this one:)
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Lol, right i remember that now, for some reason i tought it was Elena who bought that purple one, but right it was Jen, yeah, we'll see how she handels that.. will be... interesting ;)
 

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I'm really hoping we get to start a harem with Christine and Jessica in that game. I've gotten my Amy/Veronica slave harem wish from Man of the House and now I'm going full on greed.
 
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