VN Ren'Py Completed Dating My Daughter [Ch. 1-4 v1.01] [MrDots Games]

[401Grem]

As a side point, any chance that there's a certain level of sexism involved? Even some posters on these boards have said that F/D is disturbing, but M/S is not.

Assuming 21+ (or whatever the age of consent is in your country), why should a fictional story... with no actors no less... of a man sleeping with his mothers, or sisters, or etc... get an "attaboy" but as soon as a woman sleeps with her father, uncles, grandfather gives a squick feeling (If I got the term right)?

Kind of like... man sleeps around... way to go. Woman sleeps around... slut. Sorry but, women have sexual agency too. Heck, I remember ready the hateful posts of the "I love daddy" game where the protagonist is the D, and she's the one pursuing and convincing the F... and some HATED that. Kind of a lose both ways kind of deal.

I'm not saying it is a sexist lack of female agency in her own sexuality... but it's something to think about.

Sidebar = People outside this board (or ones like it) freak the fuck out about sexual content in games or videos... in this case...pixels no less... no actors.

But I can watch, on a loop if I wanted, the Game of Thrones babies being stabbed, pregnant woman stabbed through the baby bump, close up of a child being drained to death, "Mountain vs Viper"... etc... and as long as I have the receipts for the DVDs... in most countries, lawyers can do nothing... NOTHING.

But an actress or game says "daddy...." and people lose their shit.

And if people say "There's a chance you could do it."... so... should we ban knives after a Halloween movies, or chemicals after a MacGyver episode, or guns... after almost any form...of entertainment... ever...

I won't change any minds here, or anywhere really, but people are weird about sex, especially the F/D type. IMO of course.

As to which the US supreme court ruled, that animated depiction of children being sexual, does not constitute child, pornography, since no real children were ever involved.

 

[fried]

So are we going to see D in the heart sunglasses from Lolita?
D could wear them to the nude beach, only the sunglasses.
I mean come on, it's too good a pop-culture reference.
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A truly honest coincidence, but I had the notion a few days back to search out those heart-shaped sunglasses for an homage-tinged Fan Art thread composition involving our favorite daughter character .

Found them pretty easily and guess I should get into that piece ...

 

[Walk Through]

As to which the US supreme court ruled, that animated depiction of children being sexual, does not constitute child, pornography, since no real children were ever involved.

Thanks, though, having said 21+, that's not what I meant. I just meant incest roleplay, or incest games... esp. F/D... really really gets some people upset, including lawyers, though extremely violent mainstream, does not.

 

[RustyV]

Kind of the point of adult VNs are to manipulate the characters into somewhat unrealistic situations that are interesting. Players should have a choice in which interesting situations the characters engage, but given the choice between a mundane action and a prevy night out most of us will more often than not chose for the characters to engage in unconventional actions.

Spoiler: For example which after school activity should D do on Friday night?

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[fauxplayer]

Rachel and Georgina who are both fairly strong women living with D and F?
Catfights. My advice to the MC and D is to run.
See MC and D.
See MC and D Run.
Run MC and D Run.

= Run D MC !?

It's Tricky, but if these dudes are banging D's Rock Box and giving her Hard Times, You be 'illin if you don't Walk This Way, then Hit It and Run. Some say D might be a Dumb Girl, but I'm Not Going Out Like That.

 

[Blablablafapper]

As to which the US supreme court ruled, that animated depiction of children being sexual, does not constitute child, pornography, since no real children were ever involved.

Which case was that?

 

[fried]

As a side point, any chance that there's a certain level of sexism involved? Even some posters on these boards have said that F/D is disturbing, but M/S is not.

Assuming 21+ (or whatever the age of consent is in your country), why should a fictional story... with no actors no less... of a man sleeping with his mothers, or sisters, or etc... get an "attaboy" but as soon as a woman sleeps with her father, uncles, grandfather gives a squick feeling (If I got the term right)?

Generally agree and think I posted something similar not long ago in a single line comment elsewhere about this all being fiction for adult entertainment via fantasies (i.e., not reflecting reality, but possibly touching on personal fetishes or new curiosities.) Worrying about who might find one type of fictional situation or characterization entertaining vs others strikes me as contemporary

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prevention, a slope upon which we are already sliding in at least the USA, I'd assert.

I won't change any minds here, or anywhere really, but people are weird about sex, especially the F/D type. IMO of course.

Part of it might be entrenched sexism with tinges of patriarchy, I suppose - at the very least, biased societal stereotypes are likely involved. Look at how many adults from specific cultures were trying to rationalize and diminish the severity of a political candidate (in a recent election cycle) who had a history of gunning for young females (

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)? I tend to think there are some elements of self-interest in some of these cases, as well.

And, though it's not the same situation, it's related to why I have gravitated towards the idea of actively supporting D having other male partners (in healthy, affirmative situations) if she wants to try branching out in her new-found freedom: my role-playing as the supposedly loving and caring father/MC means I should also consider D's feelings and interests for her own growth, interests and healthy outlooks on life. If one part of that includes going beyond what the MC can provide for her as a lover so she can experiment and see what things she never considered before might mean, shouldn't I roleplay as a supportive enabler that her character could appreciate even more for considerately doing so?

If anything, such an example of support in a typically sensitive area of a relationship could possibly deepend her faith in the MC's intentions towards her, ironically as explores relationships or at least intimacy with others individually or as a group; trust and mutual understanding as a starting point could be quite powerful for a relationship, especially needed if it becomes "open," I feel. Further, this attitude as the MC could also involve supporting her desires to explore new career paths, travel escapes and other experiences that the MC may find best to help enable and not be directly involved as she relies more on his faith in her than his direct involvement. Although she may return as a changed person, their faith and love in each other should ideally mean if would not remove their mutual caring but possibly could alter their lifestyle dynamics together. But, that's life.

As we've heard, she ideally should become his equal by the end of Chapter 3, if not before, as that could lead to all sorts of engrossing possibilities for their shared and independent fates by the game finale. As the male and father-figure MC, I don't feel it's right to "own" D in every way: if you love her, set her free and support her happiness, with guidance volunteered when it might be helpful. However you two end up by the finale will be up to how much you love and need each other in your deepest reaches of each other's self, but it shouldn't be based on power imbalances or material issues if this fairy tale is to remain as such to its end (even with elements of realistic society thrown in to essentially enliven the drama and suspension of disbelief required for such).

 

[Goblin Baily: DILF]

But an actress or game says "daddy...." and people lose their shit.

Not people, feminists.. they were the ones to petition for the ban of incest games

 

[fauxplayer]

Not people, feminists.. they were the ones to petition for the ban of incest games

You might be right, but I always figured it was Puritan conservative religious types leading that charge, and a lot of those types would sooner pledge allegiance to Satan rather than declare themselves feminists.

 

[Goblin Baily: DILF]

G: in essence, the work-Wife of F for 10 years (and thus has been in a longer relationship with F than both Rachel and D); is ready to be the rebound relationship after D; and

I thought F and G only started dating when D arrived, and G multiple times commented on how she should have claimed that dick sooner, but I guess the writer knows better

 

[fried]

Not people, feminists.. they were the ones to petition for the ban of incest games

Feminism is desiring to remove artificial barriers that have historically kept females from being as equally enabled and respected in society as males.

Some female-driven groups (i.e., maybe they include feminists, maybe not) seek to make porn a crime because of the sex trafficking with which some of it is historically associated. We're talking porn with live action humans involved.

Otherwise, people against porn for so-called moral reasons tend to be the same groups which fight against things like sex education in school, i.e., conservative groups. They want a blanket ban on all things they consider impure, which is pretty much anything to do with sexual health/knowledge in this case.

So, I'd be curious if you have any references for your assertion.

 

[Goblin Baily: DILF]

Kind of like... man sleeps around... way to go. Woman sleeps around... slut. Sorry but, women have sexual agency too. H

Of course they do... they weponise their sexuality (alyssa milano comes to mind with her idea of using sex to influence the male voters. Read up if you're not aware)
The difference in mentality is due to rules set by the ginocentric society we live in.
A guy to have sex must meet a woman's standards or at least make her like him somehow, then he has to somehow do something that will make her decide to risk the social stigma imposed by centuries of social norms made by women ( sense and sensibility shows that, Willoughby is a rascal but it took an older woman to ruin him socially) and don't get me started on the risk of being falsely accused of rape if after the nasty he doesn't call back... that's also your average male protagonist game.
A woman if she's in the mood can simply ask who wants to have sex and she'll see a line of people men and women forming up and she'll still be able to reject those she doesn't want.. there are also games like that if that's what you're into... Anna's exciting affection.

 

[Goblin Baily: DILF]

or chemicals after a MacGyver episode

fun fact... the showrunners never showed how the process goes so wievers wouldn't attempt that at home

my role-playing as the supposedly loving and caring father/MC means I should also consider D's feelings and interests for her own growth, interests and healthy outlooks on life. If one part of that includes going beyond what the MC can provide for her as a lover so she can experiment and see what things she never considered before might mean, shouldn't I roleplay as a supportive enabler that her character could appreciate even more for considerately doing so?

are you sayin D had no agency at all and it was simply grooming? and yet you played through it....

 

[fried]

fun fact... the showrunners never showed how the process goes so wievers wouldn't attempt that at home

are you sayin D had no agency at all and it was simply grooming? and yet you played through it....

No, I'm saying that she has been in a relationship with the MC which has necessarily been based on an imbalance of power, but she's already been growing outwards from within their relationship. And, now that she is experiencing more freedom in her life to choose paths not previously available (due to Rachel's overt manipulations and restrictions), it's going to be natural for her to see more opportunities than even the MC may have originally imagined in this suddenly formalized coupling. D will likely find that potential experiences and information she previously had been sheltered from coming near are suddenly possible and even desirable, which will likely force the MC to make decisions on what that could mean to their relationship and how his dual role as father and lover can be maintained.

These could be challenging interpersonal items to handle in any relationship, but they are starting from an established imbalance in this case, despite many good intentions on the MC's part (i.e., he was still knowingly taking advantage of his position and worried about such to himself at various points).

The challenges from her desire for new experiences which go beyond the MC's direct involvement could be offset somewhat by sharing and supportive acts between them on a continual basis, I feel. Regardless, since she's likely to grow far faster and in different directions than the MC from this point, it would seem reasonable that their power dynamic changes due to her progression outward and forward.

 

[Tataro]

Sharing (the closest we come to NTR) and animals will ALWAYS be on a voluntary path. As for both paths ... if you go back to the last dialogue they had with Martin, and the two dialogue choices where, if MC tries to speak for D, you find D stops the MC and basically says: “if a guy hits on or tries to have his way with me, I can handle myself.”

That is my opinion (and I believe we are in agreement) on how those two paths will go. In essence, D will either be an aware and willing participant, or she will shut it down.

Now as for the Polyamory path, those ladies (esp Elena and maybe Jennifer) have their own ideas about who is running the show - but any unwillingness by D should be in good clean fun)

You're making a daughter into a whore by the simple premise that the MC has to speak up otherwise she'll end up sucking strange cocks all over the place. Can't she have a bit of her own agenda and say no without forcing MC to speak for her unless he wants her pounded to kingdom come? What happened to the sharing/exclusive score? Why isn't that taken into account if Daughter will jump on dicks unless we stop her? Why can't we just tell her we don't want to share her with MEN and she can go at it with Girls. Or no one.

I am confused on several points:

One: when does a event for you pass from Sharing to NTR. What has to happen?

Two: what is it about D and Elena (without F present) having a relationship is okay, but Sharing is not okay? Is it just the optics as a male and, would you have the same issue against Polyamory of you were a female player?

Three: why is Netorare morally bad, but when the MC engages in Netori, it is okay? (But to be fair, most definitions of Netorare and Netori include the concept of being stolen away, and, so far, the only NTR steals have been Brad stealing Rachel from F, and Rachel stealing Frank from D).

Four: on every path but D-Only, F has been cheating on D. Does that bother you?

Five: why is there integrity and self respect by a developer when then MC cheats behind his daughter’s back, but not in Sharing? It seems, on a morality scale, that an open agreement by a couple to do a sexual Sharing encounter has more morality to it than when one member is cheating behind the back of the other.

Six: is your issue that you were not aware that MMF and bestiality were possible? - that isn’t MDots fault. Those outcomes were posted on Patreon when DMD was in Patreon; and MDots did not set up the spoiler list at the front of this thread. So that issue is not an integrity or self respect issue.

Seven: I don’t know if you are a paying Patron in any fashion, but does MDots have more or less integrity than those who don’t pay? (To be clear, I love you guys, but anyone who pulls the integrity card has to consider that).

Eight, what about all of those who KNEW for years that MMF and bestiality were coming, do they have a right to say MDots has lost some integrity when those outcomes do not happen? I would think they have greater standing to complain.

I think I’ve run out of questions - but on my soapbox - MDots has continued DMD even after having Patreon boot it off. MDots has had a monthly release for about three years except for right after the Patreon booting and for another one-month vacation. MDot has advertised sexual outcomes and has been internally consistent with what he wanted the product to be - which shows an internal artist integrity to respect the fans but not compromise on what he feels is artistically important to the piece. MDots continued to Chapter 3 specifically to tell the DMD story to completion partly in response to the GoT ending. There is not a single time MDots purposely mislead anyone, promised and did not deliver, or sold out and changed or watered down his artistic vision in order for some non-artistic gain. In my mind, he has not lost any integrity.

When the agenda is taken from you. Daughter had to be stopped from jumping on Martin. Not speaking up and letting her talk for herself gets her fucked.

As a female player I would not have an issue. As a male player I would. I have no issue with daughter fucking girls as much as she wants, with me or without me. The moment dick comes into the equation I expect the MC to grab a fireaxe and chase them all down a hallway.

One is strong the other is weak. Why are men who rape other men in prison seen as OK but men that get raped seen as bitches. Masturbating over ones own impotence and weakness is only commonplace among SJW circles who want to bring about their cuck world. Normal people don't want it.

No it does not. Biologically it's ingrained in men to acquire females and ensure they are the ones to pass on their own offspring to them. A single male can keep hundreds of women pregnant constantly. A single woman fucked by a hundred men can only be pregnant once every year.

Dev has designed it as cheating behind daughters back not us. I'd have nothing against F telling Daughter he's building a harem.

Not on patreon but do on subscribestar. Doesn't matter, no one should pull the "I'm paying for it so listen to me peasant" card. Pay or don't people in general feel the same. This place unlike Patreon has the general take of publics feeling on the issue.

Why stop at bestiality and sharing? Why not get her a QOS tattoo, sell her out on the street for crack and raise mocha grandkids as a hobby. Why stop there. Get all the girls into black supremacy cuckoldry while F quits his job and starts working as a cocksucker in the hoods gloryhole. Why not involve severe BDSM. Whip the daughter with a bullwhip, or dunk her head underwater then fuck her as she strugles to breathe and starts drowning. Heck why not fist and leg her. I want MC up his hip inside the daughter. Will we have a Zoo visit where Daughter will get fucked by an Elephant? Why stop there. Let MC buy a python then fuck her with the snake. All of this is a radical departure from everything her personality was about so far. She barely knew what a dick is and now she's riding the cock carousel and moving onto animals as well.

 

[fried]

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Why stop at bestiality and sharing? Why not get her a QOS tattoo, sell her out on the street for crack and raise mocha grandkids as a hobby. Why stop there. Why not involve severe BDSM. Whip the daughter with a bullwhip, or dunk her head underwater then fuck her as she strugles to breathe and starts drowning. Heck why not fist and leg her. I want MC up his hip inside the daughter. Will we have a Zoo visit where Daughter will get fucked by an Elephant? Why stop there. Let MC buy a python then fuck her with the snake. All of this is a radical departure from everything her personality was about so far. She barely knew what a dick is and now she's riding the cock carousel and moving onto animals as well.

You might want to revisit the part of the the story where she knew shite about the world beyond where she lived (due to Rachel), held a body self-image of being ugly and was shocked to be involved in discussions about masturbation, among other things. Yet, she was a young adult at the same time.

Then, there was a series of events where she learned about all of these things, quite gradually, and as her experiences grew so did her appetite for consuming more of them and reaching further than she had previously realized was possible. Eventually, as the strings Rachel used to control her were fully cut and her life was let loose for all sorts of possibilities to grow, all of the limitations on her previously submissive personality were likewise dissolved in symbolic fashion as she told Rachel off in a monumental scene, kicked a long-time bully's ass and decided to formalize a new life with her father in his dual role as her provider and lover.

You know, the entire DMD story up until now.

Sky's the limit on her choices going forward, but she's already showing signs of progressing at her pace - not just that of the MC's helping to lead her quite as much. Their move to a new home was entirely based on her desire and choice, for example.

It doesn't mean she needs to become someone extreme (as you are arguing), but her experiencing things that she (or we) never imagined this previously highly naive, immature and inexperienced character would do should be expected for anyone who was suddenly given freedom to try new things with few limitations and a healthy support system in place.

We never know how our kids will end up, we just give them love and support as best we can and hope for the best. They, like we, will have our moderate times and wild ones, too - that's life, if you're lucky to try stuff and get through it all ... maybe even enjoy or be informed by some of it, too.

 

[Tataro]

You might want to revisit the part of the the story where she knew shite about the world beyond where she lived (due to Rachel), held a body self-image of being ugly and was shocked to be involved in discussions about masturbation, among other things. Yet, she was a young adult at the same time.

Then, there was a series of events where she learned about all of these things, quite gradually, and as her experiences grew so did her appetite for consuming more of them and reaching further than she had previously realized was possible. Eventually, as the strings Rachel used to control her were fully cut and her life was let loose for all sorts of possibilities to grow, all of the limitations on her previously submissive personality were likewise dissolved in symbolic fashion as she told Rachel off in a monumental scene, kicked a long-time bully's ass and decided to formalize a new life with her father in his dual role as her provider and lover.

You know, the entire DMD story up until now.

Sky's the limit on her choices going forward, but she's already showing signs of progressing at her pace - not just that of the MC's helping to lead her quite as much. Their move to a new home was entirely based on her desire and choice, for example.

It doesn't mean she needs to become someone extreme (as you are arguing), but her experiencing things that she (or we) never imagined this previously highly naive, immature and inexperienced character would do should be expected for anyone who was suddenly given freedom to try new things with few limitations and a healthy support system in place.

And by support system you mean a cum slurping cuckold for Martin and D? Go and fuck whomever you want Daughter, I will be waiting home to suck it out of you. That's just disgusting. If there is sharing it should come from Fathers insistence and pressure into it rather than have it be default unless the F interferes.

 

[fried]

And by support system you mean a cum slurping cuckold for Martin and D? Go and fuck whomever you want Daughter, I will be waiting home to suck it out of you. That's just disgusting. If there is sharing it should come from Fathers insistence and pressure into it rather than have it be default unless the F interferes.

So, are you just taking the piss and acting like a caricature for trolling, now? Because you sound like Lucas.

 

[Tataro]

So, are you just taking the piss and acting like a caricature for trolling, now? Because you sound like Lucas.

No, explain the support system to me. Go fuck others D, daddy will be home to make sure you don't feel bad for cucking him. Maybe ask your bull if he needs me to prep him a bit too

 

[jamdan]

The town-cumdump/bestiality stuff would be easier if MC wasn't her father, but a friend instead. No half-decent father would want their daughter to do that stuff. you cant go from being protective of your daughter to letting her bang everyone and anything (much less wanting her to). I cant look at those routes as anything more than the whorification of D, which isn't attractive at all. I typically like the opposite of that, a "bad" girl being turned into a good girl.