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Note how Lolita goes as a novel, the main character loses power over Lolita and she eventually leaves him. A sense of justice.
I’ve always thought that when the story ends, one could find D being the main protagonist. She certainly will have had the greatest character arc.
So are we going to see D in the heart sunglasses from Lolita?
D could wear them to the nude beach, only the sunglasses.
I mean come on, it's too good a pop-culture reference.
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Im just scrolling through some threads and came across this one. i heard there is a pet route and a few other thing s and it would help to get a little clarification. Is the pet route where the daughter is treated like a pet or where you fucks a dog or some shit cause im down either way tbh. Also is the ntr avoidable? because i personally dont like that as well as the main thot fucking some other dude. If yall could let me know that would be sweet as honey tits thanks.
 

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a lack of agency by one partner. Ironically, so does the relationship between a father/daughter - or at least, due to the relationship, there is an inherent tile of power balance to the father.
As a side point, any chance that there's a certain level of sexism involved? Even some posters on these boards have said that F/D is disturbing, but M/S is not.

Assuming 21+ (or whatever the age of consent is in your country), why should a fictional story... with no actors no less... of a man sleeping with his mothers, or sisters, or etc... get an "attaboy" but as soon as a woman sleeps with her father, uncles, grandfather gives a squick feeling (If I got the term right)?

Kind of like... man sleeps around... way to go. Woman sleeps around... slut. Sorry but, women have sexual agency too. Heck, I remember ready the hateful posts of the "I love daddy" game where the protagonist is the D, and she's the one pursuing and convincing the F... and some HATED that. Kind of a lose both ways kind of deal.

I'm not saying it is a sexist lack of female agency in her own sexuality... but it's something to think about.

Sidebar = People outside this board (or ones like it) freak the fuck out about sexual content in games or videos... in this case...pixels no less... no actors.

But I can watch, on a loop if I wanted, the Game of Thrones babies being stabbed, pregnant woman stabbed through the baby bump, close up of a child being drained to death, "Mountain vs Viper"... etc... and as long as I have the receipts for the DVDs... in most countries, lawyers can do nothing... NOTHING.

But an actress or game says "daddy...." and people lose their shit.

And if people say "There's a chance you could do it."... so... should we ban knives after a Halloween movies, or chemicals after a MacGyver episode, or guns... after almost any form...of entertainment... ever...

I won't change any minds here, or anywhere really, but people are weird about sex, especially the F/D type. IMO of course.
 

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As a side point, any chance that there's a certain level of sexism involved? Even some posters on these boards have said that F/D is disturbing, but M/S is not.

Assuming 21+ (or whatever the age of consent is in your country), why should a fictional story... with no actors no less... of a man sleeping with his mothers, or sisters, or etc... get an "attaboy" but as soon as a woman sleeps with her father, uncles, grandfather gives a squick feeling (If I got the term right)?

Kind of like... man sleeps around... way to go. Woman sleeps around... slut. Sorry but, women have sexual agency too. Heck, I remember ready the hateful posts of the "I love daddy" game where the protagonist is the D, and she's the one pursuing and convincing the F... and some HATED that. Kind of a lose both ways kind of deal.

I'm not saying it is a sexist lack of female agency in her own sexuality... but it's something to think about.

Sidebar = People outside this board (or ones like it) freak the fuck out about sexual content in games or videos... in this case...pixels no less... no actors.

But I can watch, on a loop if I wanted, the Game of Thrones babies being stabbed, pregnant woman stabbed through the baby bump, close up of a child being drained to death, "Mountain vs Viper"... etc... and as long as I have the receipts for the DVDs... in most countries, lawyers can do nothing... NOTHING.

But an actress or game says "daddy...." and people lose their shit.

And if people say "There's a chance you could do it."... so... should we ban knives after a Halloween movies, or chemicals after a MacGyver episode, or guns... after almost any form...of entertainment... ever...

I won't change any minds here, or anywhere really, but people are weird about sex, especially the F/D type. IMO of course.
As to which the US supreme court ruled, that animated depiction of children being sexual, does not constitute child, pornography, since no real children were ever involved.
 
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So are we going to see D in the heart sunglasses from Lolita?
D could wear them to the nude beach, only the sunglasses.
I mean come on, it's too good a pop-culture reference.
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A truly honest coincidence, but I had the notion a few days back to search out those heart-shaped sunglasses for an homage-tinged Fan Art thread composition involving our favorite daughter character :) .

Found them pretty easily and guess I should get into that piece ...
 
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As to which the US supreme court ruled, that animated depiction of children being sexual, does not constitute child, pornography, since no real children were ever involved.
Thanks, though, having said 21+, that's not what I meant. I just meant incest roleplay, or incest games... esp. F/D... really really gets some people upset, including lawyers, though extremely violent mainstream, does not.
 

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Kind of the point of adult VNs are to manipulate the characters into somewhat unrealistic situations that are interesting. Players should have a choice in which interesting situations the characters engage, but given the choice between a mundane action and a prevy night out most of us will more often than not chose for the characters to engage in unconventional actions.
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Rachel and Georgina who are both fairly strong women living with D and F?
Catfights. My advice to the MC and D is to run.
See MC and D.
See MC and D Run.
Run MC and D Run.
= Run D MC !?
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It's Tricky, but if these dudes are banging D's Rock Box and giving her Hard Times, You be 'illin if you don't Walk This Way, then Hit It and Run. Some say D might be a Dumb Girl, but I'm Not Going Out Like That.
 

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As a side point, any chance that there's a certain level of sexism involved? Even some posters on these boards have said that F/D is disturbing, but M/S is not.

Assuming 21+ (or whatever the age of consent is in your country), why should a fictional story... with no actors no less... of a man sleeping with his mothers, or sisters, or etc... get an "attaboy" but as soon as a woman sleeps with her father, uncles, grandfather gives a squick feeling (If I got the term right)?
Generally agree and think I posted something similar not long ago in a single line comment elsewhere about this all being fiction for adult entertainment via fantasies (i.e., not reflecting reality, but possibly touching on personal fetishes or new curiosities.) Worrying about who might find one type of fictional situation or characterization entertaining vs others strikes me as contemporary prevention, a slope upon which we are already sliding in at least the USA, I'd assert.

I won't change any minds here, or anywhere really, but people are weird about sex, especially the F/D type. IMO of course.
Part of it might be entrenched sexism with tinges of patriarchy, I suppose - at the very least, biased societal stereotypes are likely involved. Look at how many adults from specific cultures were trying to rationalize and diminish the severity of a political candidate (in a recent election cycle) who had a history of gunning for young females ( )? I tend to think there are some elements of self-interest in some of these cases, as well.

And, though it's not the same situation, it's related to why I have gravitated towards the idea of actively supporting D having other male partners (in healthy, affirmative situations) if she wants to try branching out in her new-found freedom: my role-playing as the supposedly loving and caring father/MC means I should also consider D's feelings and interests for her own growth, interests and healthy outlooks on life. If one part of that includes going beyond what the MC can provide for her as a lover so she can experiment and see what things she never considered before might mean, shouldn't I roleplay as a supportive enabler that her character could appreciate even more for considerately doing so?

If anything, such an example of support in a typically sensitive area of a relationship could possibly deepend her faith in the MC's intentions towards her, ironically as explores relationships or at least intimacy with others individually or as a group; trust and mutual understanding as a starting point could be quite powerful for a relationship, especially needed if it becomes "open," I feel. Further, this attitude as the MC could also involve supporting her desires to explore new career paths, travel escapes and other experiences that the MC may find best to help enable and not be directly involved as she relies more on his faith in her than his direct involvement. Although she may return as a changed person, their faith and love in each other should ideally mean if would not remove their mutual caring but possibly could alter their lifestyle dynamics together. But, that's life.

As we've heard, she ideally should become his equal by the end of Chapter 3, if not before, as that could lead to all sorts of engrossing possibilities for their shared and independent fates by the game finale. As the male and father-figure MC, I don't feel it's right to "own" D in every way: if you love her, set her free and support her happiness, with guidance volunteered when it might be helpful. However you two end up by the finale will be up to how much you love and need each other in your deepest reaches of each other's self, but it shouldn't be based on power imbalances or material issues if this fairy tale is to remain as such to its end (even with elements of realistic society thrown in to essentially enliven the drama and suspension of disbelief required for such).
 
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Not people, feminists.. they were the ones to petition for the ban of incest games
You might be right, but I always figured it was Puritan conservative religious types leading that charge, and a lot of those types would sooner pledge allegiance to Satan rather than declare themselves feminists.
 
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G: in essence, the work-Wife of F for 10 years (and thus has been in a longer relationship with F than both Rachel and D); is ready to be the rebound relationship after D; and
I thought F and G only started dating when D arrived, and G multiple times commented on how she should have claimed that dick sooner, but I guess the writer knows better
 
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Not people, feminists.. they were the ones to petition for the ban of incest games
Feminism is desiring to remove artificial barriers that have historically kept females from being as equally enabled and respected in society as males.

Some female-driven groups (i.e., maybe they include feminists, maybe not) seek to make porn a crime because of the sex trafficking with which some of it is historically associated. We're talking porn with live action humans involved.

Otherwise, people against porn for so-called moral reasons tend to be the same groups which fight against things like sex education in school, i.e., conservative groups. They want a blanket ban on all things they consider impure, which is pretty much anything to do with sexual health/knowledge in this case.

So, I'd be curious if you have any references for your assertion.
 

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Kind of like... man sleeps around... way to go. Woman sleeps around... slut. Sorry but, women have sexual agency too. H
Of course they do... they weponise their sexuality (alyssa milano comes to mind with her idea of using sex to influence the male voters. Read up if you're not aware)
The difference in mentality is due to rules set by the ginocentric society we live in.
A guy to have sex must meet a woman's standards or at least make her like him somehow, then he has to somehow do something that will make her decide to risk the social stigma imposed by centuries of social norms made by women ( sense and sensibility shows that, Willoughby is a rascal but it took an older woman to ruin him socially) and don't get me started on the risk of being falsely accused of rape if after the nasty he doesn't call back... that's also your average male protagonist game.
A woman if she's in the mood can simply ask who wants to have sex and she'll see a line of people men and women forming up and she'll still be able to reject those she doesn't want.. there are also games like that if that's what you're into... Anna's exciting affection.
 

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or chemicals after a MacGyver episode
fun fact... the showrunners never showed how the process goes so wievers wouldn't attempt that at home
my role-playing as the supposedly loving and caring father/MC means I should also consider D's feelings and interests for her own growth, interests and healthy outlooks on life. If one part of that includes going beyond what the MC can provide for her as a lover so she can experiment and see what things she never considered before might mean, shouldn't I roleplay as a supportive enabler that her character could appreciate even more for considerately doing so?
are you sayin D had no agency at all and it was simply grooming? and yet you played through it....
 
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fun fact... the showrunners never showed how the process goes so wievers wouldn't attempt that at home

are you sayin D had no agency at all and it was simply grooming? and yet you played through it....
No, I'm saying that she has been in a relationship with the MC which has necessarily been based on an imbalance of power, but she's already been growing outwards from within their relationship. And, now that she is experiencing more freedom in her life to choose paths not previously available (due to Rachel's overt manipulations and restrictions), it's going to be natural for her to see more opportunities than even the MC may have originally imagined in this suddenly formalized coupling. D will likely find that potential experiences and information she previously had been sheltered from coming near are suddenly possible and even desirable, which will likely force the MC to make decisions on what that could mean to their relationship and how his dual role as father and lover can be maintained.

These could be challenging interpersonal items to handle in any relationship, but they are starting from an established imbalance in this case, despite many good intentions on the MC's part (i.e., he was still knowingly taking advantage of his position and worried about such to himself at various points).

The challenges from her desire for new experiences which go beyond the MC's direct involvement could be offset somewhat by sharing and supportive acts between them on a continual basis, I feel. Regardless, since she's likely to grow far faster and in different directions than the MC from this point, it would seem reasonable that their power dynamic changes due to her progression outward and forward.
 
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