VN Ren'Py Completed Dating My Daughter [Ch. 1-4 v1.01] [MrDots Games]

[slackster]

If B stops being a option i am done with the game cause I dont like to share my toys with others...

Bye.
More for everyone else then..

 

[Juby89]

Some people don't like to share their toys. It's not exactly a difficult thought process to grasp; I mean, there's a reason the overwhelming majority of people aren't in open relationships. I mean, historically speaking, people who've had harems haven't been all that accepting of the women in those harems fucking other men, have they?

I worded it wrong but what I meant by that is people who moan about the other relationship paths in adult visual novels. Especially if the path involves something they are not into such as sharing or a girl they previously turned down ends up with another fella. Like the very concept that it exists as an option triggers them even though in their personal playthrough it does not.

Yes, but as I understand their recent intent, they're limiting those options. I think that's the problem.
As of right now, there are three broad options:
A) MC + D. Player has one toy they get to enjoy all to themself.
B) MC + D + other female characters, all only sleeping with the MC. Player has multiple toys they get to enjoy to themself.
C) MC + D + other female characters, all of whom are sleeping with men other than the MC. Player has to share all their toys.
Going forward, there will be only two options (A and C), so people who like B are getting shafted. What proportion of people like B, and are likely to be pissed at its removal? Couldn't say; seems to be the majority to me (meaning it's a weird decision to remove it), but maybe there's fewer of them than I think.
If I've misunderstood their intent, and B will still be an option, please don't hesitate to correct me.

I honestly have not heard about them removing the B route is this actually a thing they have said? I guess the B route would be the Elena Georgina/Jennifer route?

 

[Corvus Belli]

Like the very concept that it exists as an option triggers them even though in their personal playthrough it does not.

Okay, that makes more sense. It's more "people who're oppossed to everything other than their preference even exisiting" you can't wrap your head around. I can agree with that.
If I had to guess, I'd say for some it's greed and concerns over resource allocation; every resource (time and effort, in this case) spent on things they don't like is time that's wasted, since it's not being spent on what matters (a.k.a. the thing they want). It's petty, and very self-absorbed, but I can understand it.
For others, it's just complete vitriol for certain ideas, and the reasoning is going to be different depending on the particular idea.

I honestly have not heard about them removing the B route is this actually a thing they have said? I guess the B route would be the Elena Georgina/Jennifer route?

As I said, I may be wrong, or I've misunderstood, or been misinformed.
As I understand it, going forward, you can absolutely have a faithful relationship between MC & D, just the two of them. That's option A, the Monogamous Path.
But if the MC starts fucking other women (Elena, Jennifer, Georgina, or some combination thereof), then D will also start fucking other men; there is no avoiding that, other than sticking to the A path, and never fucking any of the other women. That's option C, the Sharing Path (which many people will define as NTR, even if Jeff or MrDots disagrees with their terminology, because what they mean when they say "NTR" is "someone else fucking my woman").
Option B (the Harem Path) would have been MC fucking D and Elena (let's pick her for sake of ease) and they're both fucking just the MC, because the MC doesn't like to share his toys. That option no longer exists. Or perhaps it still exists in DMD, but won't appear in other MrDots games from this point on; I'm honestly not 100% certain. Either way, it strikes me as a bad decision. I imagine the people who like B outnumber the people who like C, and I'm basing that on the fact most people are either monogamous or hypocrites (it's fine for them to fuck other people, but not for their sexual partner to do so). People who're fine with open relationships are a distinct minority.
If i've misunderstood, and Monogamous, Harem and Sharing are all options, then I see no problem. If only two of those are options, regardless of which one is cut, I see a very obvious problem.

Here's the relevant quote from Jeff Steel.

But my issues with the complaining crowd is this, and thus is my firm non-mutable belief - what is Good for the Gander is Good for the Goose.

Every VN the MDots Works creates will have a male protagonist who will have multiple interweaving love interest paths. The female characters should be able to enjoy the same possibilities (though maybe not “multiple” for all the female characters, given the time and effort that would take).

DMD has made progress on this front in that the main love interest will have sex with at least two other men besides the MC. And these men are not written as adversaries to the MC. And the MC is not being written as having a fetish for being in a beta position. I’m not sure any other VN on f95zone is doing this, unless it is written from a female’s perspective. (If there are others, please let me know).

I don’t have a problem with people complaining about options, but when it comes to a point that we cannot support three options - it is frustrating to lose the Gander/Goose option due to the vocal complaining of some.

I know we’ve lost (or have not attracted) some people due to the growing Gander/Goose steps we’ve taken over the years. And we’ve also gained fans for that reason. Someday we won’t have to give a choice in this area because the fan base will find it is the norm.

 

[TungstenDuck]

Well see your male centric fantasy is problematic so you can't have it anymore.

 

[DaddyTee]

I'm curious do we have to download everything separately?
One option says ch1-2 and if I click on it it redirects to a ch3xyz file,
Do I have to download ch 1,2 and 3 separately or what?
Apart from that are there any extras? What should be the method to experience everything as a first time player?
What should be the chronology? I'm sorry don't want to miss anything lol

 

[Pitrik]

I'm curious do we have to download everything separately

Yes, each ch different link

 

[Corvus Belli]

Well see your male centric fantasy is problematic so you can't have it anymore.

I really hope that's sarcasm, but I often can't tell in written form unless it's ridiculously, cartoonsihly obvious.

Just in case it's not, I have two counterpoints. If it is, I apologise in advance.
First, it's not actually male-centric, just possessive and hypocritical. The example I gave was from a male perspective, I'll grant you, because DMD is from a male perspective, but the same thought process holds true if the MC is female and all the people they can fuck are male. In my experience women can be just as greedy, possessive and hypocritical ("I want multiple lovers, but they all have to be faithful to me because I don't want to be cheated on") as men. YMMV, of course.
Second point; it's a game about someone fuckng their daughter. If we're talking about things being problematic, i think i may have spotted one...

 

[Ed B]

I'm curious do we have to download everything separately?
One option says ch1-2 and if I click on it it redirects to a ch3xyz file,
Do I have to download ch 1,2 and 3 separately or what?
Apart from that are there any extras? What should be the method to experience everything as a first time player?
What should be the chronology? I'm sorry don't want to miss anything lol

Have to download 3 chapters separately and extras are included in downloads. Chapter 3 is still currently in update though as well

 

[DaddyTee]

Have to download 3 chapters separately and extras are included in downloads. Chapter 3 is still currently in update though as well

Thank you!

 

[zehyr]

Not me

If B stops being a option i am done with the game cause I dont like to share my toys with others....

Don't care about your whining, it's not your choice, my choice, let just the dev do what they want.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Yes, but as I understand their recent intent, they're limiting those options. I think that's the problem.
As of right now, there are three broad options:
A) MC + D. Player has one toy they get to enjoy all to themself.
B) MC + D + other female characters, all only sleeping with the MC. Player has multiple toys they get to enjoy to themself.
C) MC + D + other female characters, all of whom are sleeping with men other than the MC. Player has to share all their toys.
Going forward, there will be only two options (A and C), so people who like B are getting shafted. What proportion of people like B, and are likely to be pissed at its removal? Couldn't say; seems to be the majority to me (meaning it's a weird decision to remove it), but maybe there's fewer of them than I think.
If I've misunderstood their intent, and B will still be an option, please don't hesitate to correct me.

Option B is 100% not being removed. What on Earth would make you think that? It's probably the most popular route by far.

Option C is also completely wrong because not all other female characters have other men in their lives. Only Olivia and Margo have Graham and Ryan respectively, whilst Elena, Jennifer, and Georgina have no one other than the MC. The only other male character that can enter into things is Martin and it's only D that he could be with. This is the option that some people would say is "being shafted" because the 'MC + all females' path and all the lesbian entanglements therein is what's getting the most attention, and the sharing path is not.

So really, A and B are looking like the options that will be most viable in terms of the amount of content they recieve and attention being focused on them, whilst a sharing path is what's on the back-burner.

 

[Chagatai Khan]

Not me


Don't care about your whining, it's not your choice, my choice, let just the dev do what they want.

Or you can actually let people give their opinion. Devs need feedback, he's providing it.

 

[Ed B]

Thank you!

Save lots as well and go back and explore the different options when given chance

 

[Trikus]

Yes, but as I understand their recent intent, they're limiting those options. I think that's the problem.
As of right now, there are three broad options:
A) MC + D. Player has one toy they get to enjoy all to themself.
B) MC + D + other female characters, all only sleeping with the MC. Player has multiple toys they get to enjoy to themself.
C) MC + D + other female characters, all of whom are sleeping with men other than the MC. Player has to share all their toys.
Going forward, there will be only two options (A and C), so people who like B are getting shafted. What proportion of people like B, and are likely to be pissed at its removal? Couldn't say; seems to be the majority to me (meaning it's a weird decision to remove it), but maybe there's fewer of them than I think.
If I've misunderstood their intent, and B will still be an option, please don't hesitate to correct me.

Removing B is never going to happen. As for C, well, Elena only pursues another guy if the MC rejects her. Georgina is obsessed with MC so I doubt she will do anything, same with Jennifer. Olivia is in a relationship with her father, so sex with her is just casual. As for Margo, well she isn't in a relationship with anyone, it is just casual. She can do whatever she wants.

 

[Corvus Belli]

Option B is 100% not being removed. What on Earth would make you think that?

Jeff Steel saying that if the MC is going to fuck other people, then the female characters should be doing so, too. My understanding of that is that if you're fucking the primary love interest and other women, then the primary love interest will be (not "might be", but "will be") fucking other men. That removes the B path as I defined it; no having all the cake and not letting anyone else eat any.
What I'm not clear on is whether that idea applies only to other MrDots games going forward, or if it also applies to DMD.

It's probably the most popular route by far.

I agree, which is why I found what Jeff was saying to be strange; seems like a decision which will lose more supporters than it will garner, but perhaps I've wildly misjudged their player base and they have evidence supporting the change.

Option C is also completely wrong because not all other female characters have other men in their lives.

You are correct, I was unclear in my meaning; it's the principal love interest (in this case, that would be D) that Jeff thinks should unavoidably have other sexual partners if the MC does, not every other possible love interest. I mispoke; mea culpa.

This is the option that some people would say is "being shafted" because the 'MC + all females' path and all the lesbian entanglements therein is what's getting the most attention, and the sharing path is not.

As it stands just now, yes. But if what Jeff mentioned does apply to DMD, in which case option B (the one which will no longer actually exist) is the one I'd define as "being shafted" since the thing they're enjoying and being served will be suddenly taken away.

 

[Trikus]

Jeff Steel saying that if the MC is going to fuck other people, then the female characters should be doing so, too. My understanding of that is that if you're fucking the primary love interest and other women, then the primary love interest will be (not "might be", but "will be") fucking other men. That removes the B path as I defined it; no having all the cake and not letting anyone else eat any.
What I'm not clear on is whether that idea applies only to other MrDots games going forward, or if it also applies to DMD.


I agree, which is why I found what Jeff was saying to be strange; seems like a decision which will lose more supporters than it will garner, but perhaps I've wildly misjudged their player base and they have evidence supporting the change.


You are correct, I was unclear in my meaning; it's the principal love interest (in this case, that would be D) that Jeff thinks should unavoidably have other sexual partners if the MC does, not every other possible love interest. I mispoke; mea culpa.


As it stands just now, yes. But if what Jeff mentioned does apply to DMD, in which case option B (the one which will no longer actually exist) is the one I'd define as "being shafted" since the thing they're enjoying and being served will be suddenly taken away.

IF, and I do mean IF, that starts in DMD, there is nothing to suggest that just like all other sharing routes, it will be unavoidable. He has been very clear that all sharing options up till now are 100% optional.

 

[Holy Bacchus]

Jeff Steel saying that if the MC is going to fuck other people, then the female characters should be doing so, too. My understanding of that is that if you're fucking the primary love interest and other women, then the primary love interest will be (not "might be", but "will be") fucking other men. That removes the B path as I defined it; no having all the cake and not letting anyone else eat any.
What I'm not clear on is whether that idea applies only to other MrDots games going forward, or if it also applies to DMD.

This goes against MrD's policy of "no NTR", which is explicitly detailed on their Discord. LIs without an established relationship with another guy being with someone other than the MC is very much in that NTR category, therefore it will not happen. Much of what Jeff says tends to be opinion about how they see things and how they would like the story to go, but remember that they work in a team and MrD has the final say, so I wouldn't take what they say as absolute fact about what will happen in this game.

I agree, which is why I found what Jeff was saying to be strange; seems like a decision which will lose more supporters than it will garner, but perhaps I've wildly misjudged their player base and they have evidence supporting the change.

Not sure what you're referring to here, because none of Jeff's recent comments in this thread have suggested that an all-girls harem route is being abandoned in any way as it seems like it's actually being strengthened more than anything else.

As it stands just now, yes. But if what Jeff mentioned does apply to DMD, in which case option B (the one which will no longer actually exist) is the one I'd define as "being shafted" since the thing they're enjoying and being served will be suddenly taken away.

Again, this option will not be taken away at all. They've even said that eventually the separate threesome paths with the likes Georgina, Elena, and Jennifer will eventually merge into one meaning that the MC will have a relationship with all them at the same time and with all of them knowing about it. That doesn't seem like an option that is "being shafted".

 

[Corvus Belli]

This goes against MrD's policy of "no NTR", which is explicitly detailed on their Discord.

No, it actually doesn't, because they don't define that as NTR . Read what they define NTR as; their definition of NTR is only when a love interest is stolen away via sex, sexual prowess, etc. The explicitly DO NOT define NTR as swapping, sharing, or the love interest having addiitonal partners (because she won't leave the MC to be with those partners, so she's never "stolen"). I would say it meets most peoples definiton of NTR, but not the definition being employed by MrDots. I've included a picture at the bottom of this post with the relevant source.

LIs without an established relationship with another guy being with someone other than the MC is very much in that NTR category, therefore it will not happen.

Again, they don't seem to define it that way, even if most other people would. Theirs may be the more "accurate" terminology, but I agree with you that it's definitely at least "NTR-ish" by most people's standards. They would define it as "having a hall pass", I'd guess.

Much of what Jeff says tends to be opinion about how they see things and how they would like the story to go, but remember that they work in a team and MrD has the final say, so I wouldn't take what they say as absolute fact about what will happen in this game.

Cool.

Not sure what you're referring to here, because none of Jeff's recent comments in this thread have suggested that an all-girls harem route is being abandoned in any way as it seems like it's actually being strengthened more than anything else.

Not in this thread, I'm sorry if I gave the impression it was; in the Sunshine Love thread, and his claim was that it was the standard being employed in all future MrDots projects going forwards (including Sunshine Love), which would include DMD Chapter 4 by definition, but I'm not sure he relaised that. Because he implied it would apply to DMD Chapter 4, I mentioned it here, as it seemed relevant. He may have mispoken.

Again, this option will not be taken away at all. They've even said that eventually the separate threesome paths with the likes Georgina, Elena, and Jennifer will eventually merge into one meaning that the MC will have a relationship with all them at the same time and with all of them knowing about it. That doesn't seem like an option that is "being shafted".

Again, cool, then I misunderstood his intent.

 

[RustyV]

No NTR or Rape will be in MrDots games.

 

[Dorat1]

So just to check: Will the story inevitably end in the D and whomever else fucking other lads without the player being able to prevent it? Just checking because I am not into that. I know it's hypocritical and I don't care; porn to me is fantasy and wish fullfillment