Save lots as well and go back and explore the different options when given chance
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Removing B is never going to happen. As for C, well, Elena only pursues another guy if the MC rejects her. Georgina is obsessed with MC so I doubt she will do anything, same with Jennifer. Olivia is in a relationship with her father, so sex with her is just casual. As for Margo, well she isn't in a relationship with anyone, it is just casual. She can do whatever she wants.
Jeff Steel saying that if the MC is going to fuck other people, then the female characters should be doing so, too. My understanding of that is that if you're fucking the primary love interest and other women, then the primary love interest will be (not "might be", but "will be") fucking other men. That removes the B path as I defined it; no having all the cake and not letting anyone else eat any.
What I'm not clear on is whether that idea applies only to other MrDots games going forward, or if it also applies to DMD.
I agree, which is why I found what Jeff was saying to be strange; seems like a decision which will lose more supporters than it will garner, but perhaps I've wildly misjudged their player base and they have evidence supporting the change.
You are correct, I was unclear in my meaning; it's the principal love interest (in this case, that would be D) that Jeff thinks should unavoidably have other sexual partners if the MC does, not every other possible love interest. I mispoke; mea culpa.
As it stands just now, yes. But if what Jeff mentioned does apply to DMD, in which case option B (the one which will no longer actually exist) is the one I'd define as "being shafted" since the thing they're enjoying and being served will be suddenly taken away.
IF, and I do mean IF, that starts in DMD, there is nothing to suggest that just like all other sharing routes, it will be unavoidable. He has been very clear that all sharing options up till now are 100% optional.
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This goes against MrD's policy of "no NTR", which is explicitly detailed on their Discord. LIs without an established relationship with another guy being with someone other than the MC is very much in that NTR category, therefore it will not happen. Much of what Jeff says tends to be opinion about how they see things and how they would like the story to go, but remember that they work in a team and MrD has the final say, so I wouldn't take what they say as absolute fact about what will happen in this game.
Not sure what you're referring to here, because none of Jeff's recent comments in this thread have suggested that an all-girls harem route is being abandoned in any way as it seems like it's actually being strengthened more than anything else.
Again, this option will not be taken away at all. They've even said that eventually the separate threesome paths with the likes Georgina, Elena, and Jennifer will eventually merge into one meaning that the MC will have a relationship with all them at the same time and with all of them knowing about it. That doesn't seem like an option that is "being shafted".
No, it actually doesn't, because they don't define that as NTR . Read what they define NTR as; their definition of NTR is only when a love interest is stolen away via sex, sexual prowess, etc. The explicitly DO NOT define NTR as swapping, sharing, or the love interest having addiitonal partners (because she won't leave the MC to be with those partners, so she's never "stolen"). I would say it meets most peoples definiton of NTR, but not the definition being employed by MrDots. I've included a picture at the bottom of this post with the relevant source.
Again, they don't seem to define it that way, even if most other people would. Theirs may be the more "accurate" terminology, but I agree with you that it's definitely at least "NTR-ish" by most people's standards. They would define it as "having a hall pass", I'd guess.
Cool.
Not in this thread, I'm sorry if I gave the impression it was; in the Sunshine Love thread, and his claim was that it was the standard being employed in all future MrDots projects going forwards (including Sunshine Love), which would include DMD Chapter 4 by definition, but I'm not sure he relaised that. Because he implied it would apply to DMD Chapter 4, I mentioned it here, as it seemed relevant. He may have mispoken.
Again, cool, then I misunderstood his intent.
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So just to check: Will the story inevitably end in the D and whomever else fucking other lads without the player being able to prevent it? Just checking because I am not into that. I know it's hypocritical and I don't care; porn to me is fantasy and wish fullfillment
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Yup, they've said that, but that actually means "No NTR, refering specifically to the particular way the MrDots team defines it, will be in MrDots games", doesn't it? Their definiton might be the most "correct" definition, linguistically, but it's also not the definition most people opposed to the idea are using.
As a result they can honestly claim "there will be no NTR" while knowing full-well they're planning to introduce content many of their players would absolutely call NTR.
As in this example, Jeff Steel literally said that in all future games going forward, if the MC has multiple partners, then so will the primary love interests, unavoidably. Many of their players would call that unavoidable NTR, even if the devs don't. Jeff's claim that "you can avoid it by being monongamous, so it's avoidable" is a prevarication, and he knows it.
Or Jeff might be lying. I have no idea how true what he said was, but it is what he said.
Not sure, which is the problem. Something one of the development team said implied something like that (it's just the primary love interest, in this case D), but it wasn't 100% clear. Adding further confusion, they've asserted multiple times there will be no NTR, and I believe they mean that, but they've also given a very particular definition of what constitutes NTR by their definition; D fucking other men without the player being able to prevent it wouldn't actually count as NTR by their definition, provided she isn't "stolen away" by those men. Would you count that as NTR?
As a result, I don't have a simple answer to your question that I can guarantee with any real certainty.
It actually wouldn't, not by the narrow definition of NTR they're using, that's kind of the problem. Provided D isn't "stolen away" from the MC, her fucking other men in scenarios the player can't avoid doesn't qualify as NTR. Let me ask, would you define it as NTR?
So I'm just finishing up chap 1. Can someone tell me if we get to kill or otherwise permanently get rid of that Lucas psycho?
Yes. Yes I would. VERY much so. Fair enough anyway; thanks for the answer
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Yes, it would, because D or any LI of the MC having sex with another guy that is outwith the player's control IS NTR, that's why both Martin and Ryan are optional because it's up to the player whether they want to see D involved with another man, but she will never ever do that of her volition. The MC/player is essentially approving of whatever sex acts D can perform, therefore if they're not OK with D fucking other guys, then she won't do it because the MC/player chooses not to let it happen, and the same goes for all the other girls who don't already have partners.
As long as D takes the self-defense lessons, then yes, he will be gone for good.
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I gotta say, I do subscribe to the view that what's mine is MINE!... specially after such a slow burn (at the beginning anyway) to get to this point. The sharing (of D with other dudes) story line makes no sense, whether you want to make it work by claiming "personal growth" or 'sexual maturing'. its BS.
I don't mind sharing some of my toys, Elena (kinda slutty to begin with) and Olivia (there was no choice) are ok, but D? No freaking way, corrupt... err... traini....err... instructing her up to this point, only to have someone else enjoy the fruits of my labor? No.
But its a game, I get it. And Mr Dots is simply monetizing all fetishes for what its worth.
Gotta say that as far as this being an entertaining last few pages of this thread, it doesn't disappoint.
I don't mind sharing some of my toys, Elena (kinda slutty to begin with) and Olivia (there was no choice) are ok, but D? No freaking way, corrupt... err... traini....err... instructing her up to this point, only to have someone else enjoy the fruits of my labor? No.
But its a game, I get it. And Mr Dots is simply monetizing all fetishes for what its worth.
Gotta say that as far as this being an entertaining last few pages of this thread, it doesn't disappoint.
Sorry one final question: How long is this game? Both as it is and estimated at completion? I feel like I've been playing for hours and am still in chapter 1. That's not a conmplaint I'm just quite surprised. Especially for A VN and not some grindy shit
I finished chapter 2 and started the 3rd one, but I don't get the option to continue from ch. 2.
By your definition it is, but not according to the definiton they're using, it isn't. And the definition that matters, in terms of what content they might include, is the definition of the developers.
Their definition is simple; 1) The MC is in a relationship with the love interest, and 2) another person steals that love interest away via sex, sexual prowess, etc. That's literally all they count as NTR, according to their own Discord; anything else isn't. If D unavoidably fucks Ryan or Martin against player choice in a future update, but isn't "stolen away" from the MC by the experience, then they've technically kept their promise.
Thus far that's been true, absolutely, but Jeff's claim is that going forward, in future games (and I'm not sure if he includes DMD Chapter 4 in that group or not) that will no longer be the case. He claims that if the MC has more than one lover, then so will the principal female love interest, because "what's good for the goose is good for the gander."
Now, obviously, if he was excluding DMD Chapter 4 from "all future games" then there's no problem; everyone going into those hypothetical other games would know the score from the start. But if he wasn't excluding it, and his claim that's the new status quo is true, then we've suddenly got the problem where there is no NTR (as they define it) but a lot of players will be pissed because there is NTR, by their definition, and it'll come out of left-field.
Again, that's totally accurate thus far. But if what Jeff claims is accurate, then there's no guarantee it'll be true going forward. The statements "if the MC has multiple lovers then so will the principal love interest, unavoidably" and "D won't have sex with any other man of her own volition, without player consent" cannot both be true, can they? They're mutually exclusive.
So much debate over an issue that can be resolved with a simple click of a button. Turn off the Martin path and she never gets curious about other guys. Simple.