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Yes, but as I understand their recent intent, they're limiting those options. I think that's the problem.
As of right now, there are three broad options:
A) MC + D. Player has one toy they get to enjoy all to themself.
B) MC + D + other female characters, all only sleeping with the MC. Player has multiple toys they get to enjoy to themself.
C) MC + D + other female characters, all of whom are sleeping with men other than the MC. Player has to share all their toys.
Going forward, there will be only two options (A and C), so people who like B are getting shafted. What proportion of people like B, and are likely to be pissed at its removal? Couldn't say; seems to be the majority to me (meaning it's a weird decision to remove it), but maybe there's fewer of them than I think.
If I've misunderstood their intent, and B will still be an option, please don't hesitate to correct me.
Option B is 100% not being removed. What on Earth would make you think that? :WaitWhat: It's probably the most popular route by far.

Option C is also completely wrong because not all other female characters have other men in their lives. Only Olivia and Margo have Graham and Ryan respectively, whilst Elena, Jennifer, and Georgina have no one other than the MC. The only other male character that can enter into things is Martin and it's only D that he could be with. This is the option that some people would say is "being shafted" because the 'MC + all females' path and all the lesbian entanglements therein is what's getting the most attention, and the sharing path is not.

So really, A and B are looking like the options that will be most viable in terms of the amount of content they recieve and attention being focused on them, whilst a sharing path is what's on the back-burner.
 
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Yes, but as I understand their recent intent, they're limiting those options. I think that's the problem.
As of right now, there are three broad options:
A) MC + D. Player has one toy they get to enjoy all to themself.
B) MC + D + other female characters, all only sleeping with the MC. Player has multiple toys they get to enjoy to themself.
C) MC + D + other female characters, all of whom are sleeping with men other than the MC. Player has to share all their toys.
Going forward, there will be only two options (A and C), so people who like B are getting shafted. What proportion of people like B, and are likely to be pissed at its removal? Couldn't say; seems to be the majority to me (meaning it's a weird decision to remove it), but maybe there's fewer of them than I think.
If I've misunderstood their intent, and B will still be an option, please don't hesitate to correct me.
Removing B is never going to happen. As for C, well, Elena only pursues another guy if the MC rejects her. Georgina is obsessed with MC so I doubt she will do anything, same with Jennifer. Olivia is in a relationship with her father, so sex with her is just casual. As for Margo, well she isn't in a relationship with anyone, it is just casual. She can do whatever she wants.
 
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Option B is 100% not being removed. What on Earth would make you think that?
Jeff Steel saying that if the MC is going to fuck other people, then the female characters should be doing so, too. My understanding of that is that if you're fucking the primary love interest and other women, then the primary love interest will be (not "might be", but "will be") fucking other men. That removes the B path as I defined it; no having all the cake and not letting anyone else eat any.
What I'm not clear on is whether that idea applies only to other MrDots games going forward, or if it also applies to DMD.

It's probably the most popular route by far.
I agree, which is why I found what Jeff was saying to be strange; seems like a decision which will lose more supporters than it will garner, but perhaps I've wildly misjudged their player base and they have evidence supporting the change.

Option C is also completely wrong because not all other female characters have other men in their lives.
You are correct, I was unclear in my meaning; it's the principal love interest (in this case, that would be D) that Jeff thinks should unavoidably have other sexual partners if the MC does, not every other possible love interest. I mispoke; mea culpa.

This is the option that some people would say is "being shafted" because the 'MC + all females' path and all the lesbian entanglements therein is what's getting the most attention, and the sharing path is not.
As it stands just now, yes. But if what Jeff mentioned does apply to DMD, in which case option B (the one which will no longer actually exist) is the one I'd define as "being shafted" since the thing they're enjoying and being served will be suddenly taken away.
 

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Jeff Steel saying that if the MC is going to fuck other people, then the female characters should be doing so, too. My understanding of that is that if you're fucking the primary love interest and other women, then the primary love interest will be (not "might be", but "will be") fucking other men. That removes the B path as I defined it; no having all the cake and not letting anyone else eat any.
What I'm not clear on is whether that idea applies only to other MrDots games going forward, or if it also applies to DMD.


I agree, which is why I found what Jeff was saying to be strange; seems like a decision which will lose more supporters than it will garner, but perhaps I've wildly misjudged their player base and they have evidence supporting the change.


You are correct, I was unclear in my meaning; it's the principal love interest (in this case, that would be D) that Jeff thinks should unavoidably have other sexual partners if the MC does, not every other possible love interest. I mispoke; mea culpa.


As it stands just now, yes. But if what Jeff mentioned does apply to DMD, in which case option B (the one which will no longer actually exist) is the one I'd define as "being shafted" since the thing they're enjoying and being served will be suddenly taken away.
IF, and I do mean IF, that starts in DMD, there is nothing to suggest that just like all other sharing routes, it will be unavoidable. He has been very clear that all sharing options up till now are 100% optional.
 
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Jeff Steel saying that if the MC is going to fuck other people, then the female characters should be doing so, too. My understanding of that is that if you're fucking the primary love interest and other women, then the primary love interest will be (not "might be", but "will be") fucking other men. That removes the B path as I defined it; no having all the cake and not letting anyone else eat any.
What I'm not clear on is whether that idea applies only to other MrDots games going forward, or if it also applies to DMD.
This goes against MrD's policy of "no NTR", which is explicitly detailed on their Discord. LIs without an established relationship with another guy being with someone other than the MC is very much in that NTR category, therefore it will not happen. Much of what Jeff says tends to be opinion about how they see things and how they would like the story to go, but remember that they work in a team and MrD has the final say, so I wouldn't take what they say as absolute fact about what will happen in this game.

I agree, which is why I found what Jeff was saying to be strange; seems like a decision which will lose more supporters than it will garner, but perhaps I've wildly misjudged their player base and they have evidence supporting the change.
Not sure what you're referring to here, because none of Jeff's recent comments in this thread have suggested that an all-girls harem route is being abandoned in any way as it seems like it's actually being strengthened more than anything else.

As it stands just now, yes. But if what Jeff mentioned does apply to DMD, in which case option B (the one which will no longer actually exist) is the one I'd define as "being shafted" since the thing they're enjoying and being served will be suddenly taken away.
Again, this option will not be taken away at all. They've even said that eventually the separate threesome paths with the likes Georgina, Elena, and Jennifer will eventually merge into one meaning that the MC will have a relationship with all them at the same time and with all of them knowing about it. That doesn't seem like an option that is "being shafted".
 

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This goes against MrD's policy of "no NTR", which is explicitly detailed on their Discord.
No, it actually doesn't, because they don't define that as NTR . Read what they define NTR as; their definition of NTR is only when a love interest is stolen away via sex, sexual prowess, etc. The explicitly DO NOT define NTR as swapping, sharing, or the love interest having addiitonal partners (because she won't leave the MC to be with those partners, so she's never "stolen"). I would say it meets most peoples definiton of NTR, but not the definition being employed by MrDots. I've included a picture at the bottom of this post with the relevant source.

LIs without an established relationship with another guy being with someone other than the MC is very much in that NTR category, therefore it will not happen.
Again, they don't seem to define it that way, even if most other people would. Theirs may be the more "accurate" terminology, but I agree with you that it's definitely at least "NTR-ish" by most people's standards. They would define it as "having a hall pass", I'd guess.

Much of what Jeff says tends to be opinion about how they see things and how they would like the story to go, but remember that they work in a team and MrD has the final say, so I wouldn't take what they say as absolute fact about what will happen in this game.
Cool.

Not sure what you're referring to here, because none of Jeff's recent comments in this thread have suggested that an all-girls harem route is being abandoned in any way as it seems like it's actually being strengthened more than anything else.
Not in this thread, I'm sorry if I gave the impression it was; in the Sunshine Love thread, and his claim was that it was the standard being employed in all future MrDots projects going forwards (including Sunshine Love), which would include DMD Chapter 4 by definition, but I'm not sure he relaised that. Because he implied it would apply to DMD Chapter 4, I mentioned it here, as it seemed relevant. He may have mispoken.

Again, this option will not be taken away at all. They've even said that eventually the separate threesome paths with the likes Georgina, Elena, and Jennifer will eventually merge into one meaning that the MC will have a relationship with all them at the same time and with all of them knowing about it. That doesn't seem like an option that is "being shafted".
Again, cool, then I misunderstood his intent.

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So just to check: Will the story inevitably end in the D and whomever else fucking other lads without the player being able to prevent it? Just checking because I am not into that. I know it's hypocritical and I don't care; porn to me is fantasy and wish fullfillment
 

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So just to check: Will the story inevitably end in the D and whomever else fucking other lads without the player being able to prevent it? Just checking because I am not into that. I know it's hypocritical and I don't care; porn to me is fantasy and wish fullfillment
No, because that would be NTR and that's not happening.
 

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No NTR or Rape will be in MrDots games.
Yup, they've said that, but that actually means "No NTR, refering specifically to the particular way the MrDots team defines it, will be in MrDots games", doesn't it? Their definiton might be the most "correct" definition, linguistically, but it's also not the definition most people opposed to the idea are using.
As a result they can honestly claim "there will be no NTR" while knowing full-well they're planning to introduce content many of their players would absolutely call NTR.
As in this example, Jeff Steel literally said that in all future games going forward, if the MC has multiple partners, then so will the primary love interests, unavoidably. Many of their players would call that unavoidable NTR, even if the devs don't. Jeff's claim that "you can avoid it by being monongamous, so it's avoidable" is a prevarication, and he knows it.
Or Jeff might be lying. I have no idea how true what he said was, but it is what he said.

So just to check: Will the story inevitably end in the D and whomever else fucking other lads without the player being able to prevent it? Just checking because I am not into that. I know it's hypocritical and I don't care; porn to me is fantasy and wish fullfillment
Not sure, which is the problem. Something one of the development team said implied something like that (it's just the primary love interest, in this case D), but it wasn't 100% clear. Adding further confusion, they've asserted multiple times there will be no NTR, and I believe they mean that, but they've also given a very particular definition of what constitutes NTR by their definition; D fucking other men without the player being able to prevent it wouldn't actually count as NTR by their definition, provided she isn't "stolen away" by those men. Would you count that as NTR?
As a result, I don't have a simple answer to your question that I can guarantee with any real certainty.

No, because that would be NTR and that's not happening.
It actually wouldn't, not by the narrow definition of NTR they're using, that's kind of the problem. Provided D isn't "stolen away" from the MC, her fucking other men in scenarios the player can't avoid doesn't qualify as NTR. Let me ask, would you define it as NTR?
 

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So I'm just finishing up chap 1. Can someone tell me if we get to kill or otherwise permanently get rid of that Lucas psycho?
 

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Not sure, which is the problem. Something one of the development team said implied something like that (it's just the primary love interest, in this case D), but it wasn't 100% clear. Adding further confusion, they've asserted multiple times there will be no NTR, and I believe they mean that, but they've also given a very particular definition of what constitutes NTR by their definition; D fucking other men without the player being able to prevent it wouldn't actually count as NTR by their definition, provided she isn't "stolen away" by those men. Would you count that as NTR?
As a result, I don't have a simple answer to your question that I can guarantee with any real certainty.

Yes. Yes I would. VERY much so. Fair enough anyway; thanks for the answer
 
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It actually wouldn't, not by the narrow definition of NTR they're using, that's kind of the problem. Provided D isn't "stolen away" from the MC, her fucking other men in scenarios the player can't avoid doesn't qualify as NTR. Let me ask, would you define it as NTR?
Yes, it would, because D or any LI of the MC having sex with another guy that is outwith the player's control IS NTR, that's why both Martin and Ryan are optional because it's up to the player whether they want to see D involved with another man, but she will never ever do that of her volition. The MC/player is essentially approving of whatever sex acts D can perform, therefore if they're not OK with D fucking other guys, then she won't do it because the MC/player chooses not to let it happen, and the same goes for all the other girls who don't already have partners.

So I'm just finishing up chap 1. Can someone tell me if we get to kill or otherwise permanently get rid of that Lucas psycho?
As long as D takes the self-defense lessons, then yes, he will be gone for good.
 
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Yes, it would, because D or any LI of the MC having sex with another guy that is outwith the player's control IS NTR, that's why both Martin and Ryan are optional because it's up to the player whether they want to see D involved with another man, but she will never ever do that of her volition. The MC/player is essentially approving of whatever sex acts D can perform, therefore if they're not OK with D fucking other guys, then she won't do it because the MC/player chooses not to let it happen, and the same goes for all the other girls who don't already have partners.



As long as D takes the self-defense lessons, then yes, he will be gone for good.
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I gotta say, I do subscribe to the view that what's mine is MINE!... specially after such a slow burn (at the beginning anyway) to get to this point. The sharing (of D with other dudes) story line makes no sense, whether you want to make it work by claiming "personal growth" or 'sexual maturing'. its BS.

I don't mind sharing some of my toys, Elena (kinda slutty to begin with) and Olivia (there was no choice) are ok, but D? No freaking way, corrupt... err... traini....err... instructing her up to this point, only to have someone else enjoy the fruits of my labor? No.

But its a game, I get it. And Mr Dots is simply monetizing all fetishes for what its worth.

Gotta say that as far as this being an entertaining last few pages of this thread, it doesn't disappoint.:LOL:
 
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