VN Ren'Py Completed Dating My Daughter [Ch. 1-4 v1.01] [MrDots Games]

[Darth Sidious]

Most people here don't even know the difference between the different tags. They base their opinions on what they think it means, not what it actually means. Anyone who has a basic understanding of swinging knows it isn't NTR, or "cucking".

Yes, it is still ignorantly generalized that all forms of cheating on a male means the male is a cuck. In truth, a cuckold is a submissive male to a dominant cheating female - there is no sharing in this relationship, only taking. Think chastity cages, humiliation and femdom.

Swinging is not really cheating, it is an agreement of sharing each other with other partners, I don't know why there are still people assuming this is considered cheating. Swinging is pure sharing, or swapping partners for a night or weekend for the purpose of spicing up each other's sex lives using other people. Between swinger couples there is often a bond of friendship surrounding their fun. Could be with humiliation or femdom, but doesn't have to be.

Then there are stags and vixens, where the male is dominant and the female is promiscuous - this is where the terms slutwife and hotwife come into play. The male knows of his wife's infidelity and she uses her promiscuity to enhance the sex with her stag. To her, other men are merely tools for sex, and her relationship with her stag is what truly matters to her. The vixen will ask for the stag's approval about taking new bulls into their relationship. Unlike cuckolding, there is no humiliation in this relationship. Also unlike swinging, there is no friendship or close bonds between the vixen's boytoys and her, for her the extra partners are purely for sexual reasons.

So when is it NTR? Simply put: When there is cuckolding or when the significant other cheats on you with a different male behind your back for sexual and romantic reasons, to induce a sense of jealousy and betrayal. Both of these do NOT happen in Dating my Daughter.

 

[fidgetspinner]

So when is it NTR? Simply put: When there is cuckolding or when the significant other cheats on you with a different male behind your back for sexual and romantic reasons, to induce a sense of jealousy and betrayal. Both of these do NOT happen in Dating my Daughter.

Thank you my Emperor, a lot of people seem to misunderstand the term and use it wrong. I just don't like when MC is basically a Cock wizard and get every girl without any repercussion or even effort. It's just lazy writing. There has to be a middle ground between this and pure NTR beta stuff and I think DmD did it well. We can see from inner monologue that MC is not fully on-board and part of him is bothered but his love and trust in D make him appreciate that experience.

I think as long as it is implemented in a similar way or as a fail state (treat the girl like trash, expect her to go see elsewhere) it can be good and fun.

 

[Yngling]

Yes, it is still ignorantly generalized that all forms of cheating on a male means the male is a cuck. In truth, a cuckold is a submissive male to a dominant cheating female - there is no sharing in this relationship, only taking. Think chastity cages, humiliation and femdom.

Swinging is not really cheating, it is an agreement of sharing each other with other partners, I don't know why there are still people assuming this is considered cheating. Swinging is pure sharing, or swapping partners for a night or weekend for the purpose of spicing up each other's sex lives using other people. Between swinger couples there is often a bond of friendship surrounding their fun. Could be with humiliation or femdom, but doesn't have to be.

Then there are stags and vixens, where the male is dominant and the female is promiscuous - this is where the terms slutwife and hotwife come into play. The male knows of his wife's infidelity and she uses her promiscuity to enhance the sex with her stag. To her, other men are merely tools for sex, and her relationship with her stag is what truly matters to her. The vixen will ask for the stag's approval about taking new bulls into their relationship. Unlike cuckolding, there is no humiliation in this relationship. Also unlike swinging, there is no friendship or close bonds between the vixen's boytoys and her, for her the extra partners are purely for sexual reasons.

So when is it NTR? Simply put: When there is cuckolding or when the significant other cheats on you with a different male behind your back for sexual and romantic reasons, to induce a sense of jealousy and betrayal. Both of these do NOT happen in Dating my Daughter.

Nice definitions but I think it's not that black and white.

I think that often, getting a third person into a relationship changes the relationship dynamics in a way that can be difficult to predict.

You see that in the Dee - Martin relationship as well. It started out as friendship between F and Martin, IIRC they did a threesome with some random girl before, a long time ago. Initially Martin was just a fitness trainer to D, but (depending on the route the player chose) some feelings already started to develop. The first F-D-Martin threesome was mostly F and Martin reliving their college days or something. Just fun experimentation, no strings attached. However in the last update(s), it shows Dee developing real feelings for Martin, which may well turn into "real" NTR.

In my opinion, it's a direction that F, both in his role as father and in his role as lover, should not be happy about. As a father, he has to witness Martin degrading Dee. As a lover, Dee seems to be falling for Martin and perhaps replacing F as the next new toy.

Finally, when it comes to the ultimate corruption, it may well end up with Dee getting gangraped for money by Martin's friends...

That's why I am much more comfortable with the Dee / Elena + Jennifer or Georgina routes. The Martin route is just a train wreck in motion.

 

[Trikus]

Nice definitions but I think it's not that black and white.

I think that often, getting a third person into a relationship changes the relationship dynamics in a way that can be difficult to predict.

You see that in the Dee - Martin relationship as well. It started out as friendship between F and Martin, IIRC they did a threesome with some random girl before, a long time ago. Initially Martin was just a fitness trainer to D, but (depending on the route the player chose) some feelings already started to develop. The first F-D-Martin threesome was mostly F and Martin reliving their college days or something. Just fun experimentation, no strings attached. However in the last update(s), it shows Dee developing real feelings for Martin, which may well turn into "real" NTR.

In my opinion, it's a direction that F, both in his role as father and in his role as lover, should not be happy about. As a father, he has to witness Martin degrading Dee. As a lover, Dee seems to be falling for Martin and perhaps replacing F as the next new toy.

Finally, when it comes to the ultimate corruption, it may well end up with Dee getting gangraped for money by Martin's friends...

That's why I am much more comfortable with the Dee / Elena + Jennifer or Georgina routes. The Martin route is just a train wreck in motion.

Notice how you put the words "I think" and "In my opinion" and there is a lot of speculation in that reply. Opinions are not facts. What Darth Sidious laid out was facts. If you think D is replacing F, you really aren't reading the story right. Are you skipping the dialogue? She isn't falling for Martin either. There is a difference between loving someone and being in love with someone. She is in love with F and that will never change. The love she feels for Martin is on the same level as the love she feels for Elena and Georgina. You don't claim that Elena or Georgina are trying to take D away from F, yet you do for Martin. The developers have made it crystal clear that Martin's story is finished so no need to be worried about him taking her away from F.

 

[Lord Ashram]

Is the gallery fully updated? I think someone said there was a Martin D scene other then the mmf one but it doesn't appear in the gallery.

You are correct, there is a Martin + D Only morning after scene that I did forget to put in.
I will update that soon, may take a day or too since WMW is about to get a public release and I need to get that done (Im on a higher Patreon tier) then I'll come back to add that missing scene.

 

[girlfairdev]

I thought this game was really good through season 2. I think Mr. Dot's is a really talented developer and story teller. But for some reason the story went off the rails in Season three. Lonely estranged father meets daughter after many years apart. Determined to rekindle his nurturing relationship they reluctantly though willfully form a romantic and then sexual bond. Setting off on a path with plans and dreams of romance, marriage and eventually children. At this point this story line, albeit far fetched packs some elements of believability that allow you to say "ok, that could happen" and you're left thinking the MC is maybe conflicted morally, but overall, loves his daughter, isn't such a bad guy, yada yada. In short, at this point in the story, I "got it".

Then, for some reason, the story line take a turn where nurturing daddy who's fallen passionately in love with his daughter wants to start sharing her sexually with the old office buddy et al. Ok , the MC comes out to be pretty much a dirtbag after all (at least from my viewpoint)., For that reason, I really stopped playing it. After taking a look at the last dozen pages of this thread I decided to re download season 3 and then 4. I played them through and it seems to me it has turned into a "swinger's" game. Not my cup of tea. Still like Mr. Dot's work, really liked Melody a lot, played all the routes in that game, it was well made and a story well told. His new one, about to enter season two is pretty good too. But I think I'm done with DMD. Truthfully, I thought he should have wrapped this story a long time ago anyway.

 

[UncleFredo]

Then, for some reason, the story line take a turn where nurturing daddy who's fallen passionately in love with his daughter wants to start sharing her sexually with the old office buddy et al.

So i "think" you can avoid sharing Dee with anyone. Which of course makes sense, based on the early part of the story. Why would F want to share her with anyone?

The entire sharing meme is to keep those looking toward Dee's maximum corruption (whatever that turns out to be) on board. While not alienating those who are opposed to her corruption.

 

[girlfairdev]

So i "think" you can avoid sharing Dee with anyone. Which of course makes sense, based on the early part of the story. Why would F want to share her with anyone?

The entire sharing meme is to keep those looking toward Dee's maximum corruption (whatever that turns out to be) on board. While not alienating those who are opposed to her corruption.

Makes sense. Hadn't considered that. I guess I'd be interested, as a player, to see what that maximum corruption achievement yields as well. But again, the story line is important to me personally in any medium, including this one, and this story has taken too many twists that are a little outside of my comfort zone. I look at tags all the time before even trying a new game, and will pass on those with story elements that aren't to my taste. I got my share of enjoyment out of seasons 1 and 2. Plenty of others to choose from. I won't miss this one.

 

[Gourdgone]

Actually, that might be something for future devs to consider; not just making content optional during the main playthrough, but dividing it temporally. "Beginning with Chapter 3, this story will include consensual sharing, swinging, and so forth. There will be multiple paths that lead to F&D being together, a few that don't, and several that are a fair bit more complicated. If you'd prefer a purely romantic story in which none of those things occur, Chapter 2 will bring F&D's story to a satisfying conclusion." You could still include the initial triggers in earlier chapters (e.g. the one in Chapter 1 that opens up the Martin path), but none of those triggers would be pulled until Chapter 3.

In this particular story, kicking D's modeling career into high gear, D&F getting married, and even an optional pregnancy ending could easily be accomplished by the end of Chapter 2 if F (especially) and D weren't mixed up with anyone else (non-platonically). Later chapters could be about navigating D's career, plus a relationship that still has to be kept secret from some, while expanding their sexual horizons...but people who don't want to see any of that could move on to something else, because their game already reached a satisfactory end.

End a version of a game for others because you don't like it. Sounds fair. I think you wouldn't like the same in reverse?

 

[DigDug69]

AH! so it is the sleeping that is contentious, not the sex

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[Cherubin25]

Anyone in for a big bribe to Mr Dots to make Ds Baby black?

 

[jaw1986baby]

Anyone in for a big bribe to Mr Dots to make Ds Baby black?

Seems like you could save a lot of money by just clicking on RustyV 's fanart of it. Heck you could imagine it is canon since the game is very nearly done and complete. Because I could not guess at how much you would need to offer to convince Dots to do something so far away from what he and most of his fans want. It's not like he makes some small amount monthly you know.

 

[Segnbora]

End a version of a game for others because you don't like it. Sounds fair. I think you wouldn't like the same in reverse?

See, this is willfully missing my point. The game's going to end with F&D married and D as a successful model. There will undoubtedly be options — D pregnant or not, additional partners in the relationship, and so forth — that might affect the ending in the same way that such decisions affected the endings in Melody. But the game's reaching the same place in four chapters that it could have reached in two. Their story's going to be the same: D meets F, F takes D in, their relationship turns sexual, they make plans to be together, they end up together. Which was, in fact, accomplished in the first two chapters anyway; they just weren't married yet.

Remove all F's or D's sexual/romantic entanglements with Elena, Jennifer, Georgina, the other father/daughter couple, and whoever I'm forgetting, and there's more than enough free space in the first two chapters to bring F&D's relationship (and D's career) to exactly where it's going to end up anyway. There's no longer any need to keep repurposing Rachel as the exact same antagonist she's been in every single chapter; she's an impediment, they overcome it, and everyone moves on with their lives. There's no need for Tara 2: Electric Boogaloo. There's no need for a pregnancy fake-out that everyone knows is going to be revisited at the end of the game.

I have no idea what sort of point you think you're making when suggesting that I wouldn't like it "in reverse." I'm all for sharing, even though it was done clumsily here, but the game didn't need it and it certainly didn't improve the story; it was box-checking to make sure as many fetishes as possible were covered. An actual reversal of this concept would be...what, exactly? Making me sit through two chapters of content I hate (or am bored by) to get to the content in which I'm actually interested? First of all, at least half of all games in the sex genre do exactly that. If it gets bad enough, as a rational adult I just stop playing the game. If a game opened with content I hated from the first scene on, I wouldn't play it in the first place.

 

[Cherubin25]

Seems like you could save a lot of money by just clicking on RustyV 's fanart of it. Heck you could imagine it is canon since the game is very nearly done and complete. Because I could not guess at how much you would need to offer to convince Dots to do something so far away from what he and most of his fans want. It's not like he makes some small amount monthly you know.

But it would be insanely funny.

 

[ninhoxp]

This history have date to finish or will be...

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[cxx]

quite possible that neither rachel or mc weren't born when that movie was hit. assuming that d saw world at year ~2000.

 

[Irgendwie Irgendwo]

Okay, that took a bit of thinking and some research (April 6, 1984 btw, release date of the first movie or 1979 - book) to find out what The Never Ending Story has to do with this VN.

 

[cxx]

Okay, that took a bit of thinking and some research (April 6, 1984 btw, release date of the first movie or 1979 - book) to find out what The Never Ending Story has to do with this VN.

nothing.

 

[Irgendwie Irgendwo]

nothing.

Yeah, I came to the conclusion that it was just word play. It either ends or becomes a NES. Wouldn't have recognised it without Fuchur the dragon though.

 

[thetrueredking]

I'm getting a script error on Day 47, talking with Cassandra after saying "Is that a problem"

I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
Exception: Sayer 'cas' is not defined.

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "day_47_00.rpyc", line 2169, in script
  File "renpy/ast.py", line 681, in execute
    who = eval_who(self.who, self.who_fast)
  File "renpy/ast.py", line 574, in eval_who
    raise Exception("Sayer '%s' is not defined." % who)
Exception: Sayer 'cas' is not defined.

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Ren'Py 7.4.11.2266
DMD Chapter 4 0.34
Wed Apr 20 15:42:14 2022