VN Others Completed Daughter for Dessert [Ch. 19] [Palmer/Love-Joint]

[TomberryDude]

Yes, you do.

What you don't have to do is have sex with her.

But, ep17 is the first episode where Amanda and the MC are reunited after she leaves to stay with her aunt, and it's filled with the MC constantly making excuses for her and Amanda's response being 'gosh, shucks, how silly of me uwu'. There's no way not to go to the beach or pal around and the game makes you feel horrible for even having to think about it what you're doing, like you're crushing some innocent little animal rather than making Amanda deal with the consequences of making assumptions and ignoring the people closest to her.

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You're right that there are other great girls, but even focusing on them, the main story is centered squarely on the MC and his daughter, so you can't get away from it. You're still forced to be accepting and accommodating of her, despite her being the source of all most all of the problems in the second half of the game. The aunt may have facilitated it, but the MC wouldn't be anywhere near a jail cell if it weren't for Amanda.

It's almost like right and wrong are complicated, abstract concepts and not everyone thinks like you. Almost. (Then again, I wouldn't mind having the option to blow someone off in those games, in only because I like options, but I probably wouldn't chose it anyway)

 

[Josh Spicer]

It's almost like right and wrong are complicated, abstract concepts and not everyone thinks like you. Almost. (Then again, I wouldn't mind having the option to blow someone off in those games, in only because I like options, but I probably wouldn't chose it anyway)

Actually, their opinion was fairly common place around when Chapter 17 came out.

The game forces you to agree with Amanda despite the common opinion that what she did was bullshit.

Your daughter/lover up and leaves at the word of an aunt she hasn't seen for at least a decade and NOT the word of her father/lover, and gives you NO time to explain or try to defend himself, and when she comes crawling back she tries to act all cute and innocent and you're not given an option to say no?

 

[TomberryDude]

Actually, their opinion was fairly common place around when Chapter 17 came out.

The game forces you to agree with Amanda despite the common opinion that what she did was bullshit.

Your daughter/lover up and leaves at the word of an aunt she hasn't seen for at least a decade and NOT the word of her father/lover, and gives you NO time to explain or try to defend himself, and when she comes crawling back she tries to act all cute and innocent and you're not given an option to say no?

Yeah, I'm not saying the opinion is wrong, just that it's not the only one. Sorry about the condescending tone, that was for humour.

 

[RustyV]

Actually, their opinion was fairly common place around when Chapter 17 came out.

The game forces you to agree with Amanda despite the common opinion that what she did was bullshit.

Your daughter/lover up and leaves at the word of an aunt she hasn't seen for at least a decade and NOT the word of her father/lover, and gives you NO time to explain or try to defend himself, and when she comes crawling back she tries to act all cute and innocent and you're not given an option to say no?

The game can not continue unless you just act like a doormat and accept what the daughter did to the MC.
However there should have been the FU option that then could have led to an earlier game ending. If you want to forgive the daughter then you go on to the following chapters if not you should have had the option to tell her to fuck off and go off with another girl of your choice leaving the daughter to begin a new life without you.

 

[Bucketbot89]

It's unfortunate that this game forces to have sex with Amanda AND forces you into a romantic relationship with her (I hate when games do this). Instead of having fun with Kathy of Heidi or Lily guilt free I now have to sleep around behind her back.

 

[Avaron1974]

It's unfortunate that this game forces to have sex with Amanda AND forces you into a romantic relationship with her (I hate when games do this). Instead of having fun with Kathy of Heidi or Lily guilt free I now have to sleep around behind her back.

You do get to pick later on.

 

[Bucketbot89]

You do get to pick later on.

Oh I know I just hate that the game makes the decision for you at the beginning, instead waiting until the end to pick Amanda.

 

[RustyV]

Well Amanda picked you more than you picked her. That's why some players felt her suddenly becoming a cold bitch toward you after just meeting her aunt was out of character.

 

[JoeSte91]

Actually, their opinion was fairly common place around when Chapter 17 came out.

The game forces you to agree with Amanda despite the common opinion that what she did was bullshit.

Your daughter/lover up and leaves at the word of an aunt she hasn't seen for at least a decade and NOT the word of her father/lover, and gives you NO time to explain or try to defend himself, and when she comes crawling back she tries to act all cute and innocent and you're not given an option to say no?

She was also told not to trust the Aunt when she first showed up, and then proceeds to do just that. So, it's not even so much right or wrong as just utterly, incomprehensibly stupid.

 

[Wookie]

She was also told not to trust the Aunt when she first showed up, and then proceeds to do just that. So, it's not even so much right or wrong as just utterly, incomprehensibly stupid.

Just for the sake of argument, the first thing that someone trying to manipulate you would say is "Don't trust them, they will try to tell you lies." So it is not totally beyond belief that Amanda may listen to alternative arguments if she is a free-thinking individual who wants to decide for herself what is correct, rather than being told what to think.

 

[alpharenji]

its not written well when it comes to being your daughter shouldnt keep calling you boss wich is ruining it in my opinion it be better if you could add a patch like you can do in Renpy games

 

[TomberryDude]

its not written well when it comes to them being your daughters they shouldnt keep calling you boss wich is ruining it in my opinion it be better if you could add a patch like you can do in Renpy games

Wait, don't you have only ONE daughter in this, Amanda? Am I crazy or are you joking?

 

[alpharenji]

Wait, don't you have only ONE daughter in this, Amanda? Am I crazy or are you joking?

i mean daughter

 

[JoeSte91]

Just for the sake of argument, the first thing that someone trying to manipulate you would say is "Don't trust them, they will try to tell you lies." So it is not totally beyond belief that Amanda may listen to alternative arguments if she is a free-thinking individual who wants to decide for herself what is correct, rather than being told what to think.

It's not about being told what to think, it's about trust. Hopefully there are people in your life that you trust, whether family, or friends or a spouse, so that you know what that's like, but the point is that these people have been around for a long time, and would point you in the right direction and wouldn't intentionally lead you down the wrong path. Now imagine a third person enters the picture that you don't know, but this person you trust does, and they tell you, 'that person is bad news'. Now, what free thinking individual concludes 'golly, this new person must be more reliable than this other person I've known my entire life and has never done me wrong before'.

I get that some people don't have good relationships with their parents or find it hard to trust anyone at all, but that's not Amanda. Prior to her aunt showing up she's not shown to have been badly treated at all, and has no reason to think that her dad was manipulating her for any reason. Even sexually, Amanda is the one making all the moves. But, it's not like I don't expect Amanda to even talk to her aunt. What I find so mind-numbingly bewildering is that, when confronted with this new information from this untrustworthy source, she doesn't confront or even discuss it with her dad. She doesn't even tell him she's been to see her Aunt. Instead, she gives him the cold shoulder, stops showing up to work, moves out, and then, when he finally shows up with a gun and ends up in a cell, shows up and tells the dad she's happy she can talk to him now. It's absurd.

 

[RustyV]

If not absurd at least mentally unbalanced.

 

[TomberryDude]

It's not about being told what to think, it's about trust. Hopefully there are people in your life that you trust, whether family, or friends or a spouse, so that you know what that's like, but the point is that these people have been around for a long time, and would point you in the right direction and wouldn't intentionally lead you down the wrong path. Now imagine a third person enters the picture that you don't know, but this person you trust does, and they tell you, 'that person is bad news'. Now, what free thinking individual concludes 'golly, this new person must be more reliable than this other person I've known my entire life and has never done me wrong before'.

I get that some people don't have good relationships with their parents or find it hard to trust anyone at all, but that's not Amanda. Prior to her aunt showing up she's not shown to have been badly treated at all, and has no reason to think that her dad was manipulating her for any reason. Even sexually, Amanda is the one making all the moves. But, it's not like I don't expect Amanda to even talk to her aunt. What I find so mind-numbingly bewildering is that, when confronted with this new information from this untrustworthy source, she doesn't confront or even discuss it with her dad. She doesn't even tell him she's been to see her Aunt. Instead, she gives him the cold shoulder, stops showing up to work, moves out, and then, when he finally shows up with a gun and ends up in a cell, shows up and tells the dad she's happy she can talk to him now. It's absurd.

You're got a point. Although it is true I have bad blood with my familly, I haven't talked to any of them in years, and my childhood was.... well, not ideal. I also want to be open minded and I tend to forgive easily, provided someone had strong enough reasons to do something bad or they really regret it.

I don't know how the Amanda situation is gonna turn out in the end and I perfectly understand frustration but personally I'm willing to give second chances, maybe.

 

[Sean MacDonald]

It is interesting to me that no one seems to factor Moe into this dituation and, most likely, Amanda talking with him. Even he believed the aunt...

 

[cxx]

moe believes near anything.

 

[Josh Spicer]

Considering the MC only really knows Moe as a recurring customer at the diner and Amanda has usually been fairly spiteful towards him given his lecherous tendencies, I don't know why she's suddenly take his word on anything.

 

[JoeSte91]

It is interesting to me that no one seems to factor Moe into this dituation and, most likely, Amanda talking with him. Even he believed the aunt...

Moe is strangely more forthcoming. Though he's more suspicious of the MC, he talks to him and cryptically refers to knowing his secret. If it wasn't for Moe making veiled comments about his investigation, the MC wouldn't have crept into his office and found the evidence that the Aunt was involved. But at least he talks to the MC and seems at least to want to tell him what's going on, but is hindered by the investigation. Amanda doesn't have any reason not to just come out and ask her dad. If she was concerned that it might be true, she could even tell Kathy and Heidi and have the three of them confront him in public at the diner.

Note, Amanda, who told Kathy that she wanted to fuck her own dad, and let Kathy post her incest fiction online, did not tell Kathy about her aunt's claims, or about her dad maybe being a criminal. That seems...likely...