VN Ren'Py Defending Lydia Collier [v0.16.2 Hotfix] [White Phantom Games]

[Talmadge]

Can you post your save?

As my edit points out, I figured it out. And my save is from well before that. Thanks, anyways.

 

[Talmadge]

Here's something I don't get. The MC was getting hot and heavy with Steph. Then, all of a sudden, there's no mention of her again, and he starts messing around with Ellie. Even when he's jerking off in the doctors office. It says "imagine girlfriend", it shows Ellie. Like I say, no mention of Steph since the Rugby match. Will she show up later? I've seen something about slutty Steph, so I guess so. But nothing yet.
Plus. I had the MC say he didn't have a girlfriend. But when asking the nurse to help jerk him off, she says that he mentioned he had a girlfriend. So seems like something is wrong there.

 

[lipe2410]

Here's something I don't get. The MC was getting hot and heavy with Steph. Then, all of a sudden, there's no mention of her again, and he starts messing around with Ellie

Steph and Ellie paths are mutually excluded. If you are in Ellie path you are automatically out of Steph path.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Here's something I don't get. The MC was getting hot and heavy with Steph. Then, all of a sudden, there's no mention of her again, and he starts messing around with Ellie. Even when he's jerking off in the doctors office. It says "imagine girlfriend", it shows Ellie. Like I say, no mention of Steph since the Rugby match. Will she show up later? I've seen something about slutty Steph, so I guess so. But nothing yet.

The main chicks are usually exclusive from one another. If you want Steph, then you have to pursue her only. Here's a list of possible combos you can get:

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[dolfe67]

Steph and Ellie paths are mutually excluded. If you are in Ellie path you are automatically out of Steph path.

And vice versa. Though the dev aknowlegded he should write a "break-up" after the breaking point when you choose either to dine with Ellie and her family (stops Steph path) or to spend the evening with Steph (stops Ellie path)

 

[Echoesinthedarkness]

Here's something I don't get. The MC was getting hot and heavy with Steph. Then, all of a sudden, there's no mention of her again, and he starts messing around with Ellie. Even when he's jerking off in the doctors office. It says "imagine girlfriend", it shows Ellie. Like I say, no mention of Steph since the Rugby match. Will she show up later? I've seen something about slutty Steph, so I guess so. But nothing yet.
Plus. I had the MC say he didn't have a girlfriend. But when asking the nurse to help jerk him off, she says that he mentioned he had a girlfriend. So seems like something is wrong there.

looks like you chose wrong decision during morning jogging - you should take it easy, this way you'll meet Steph and will be able to continue her storyline

 

[Talmadge]

looks like you chose wrong decision during morning jogging - you should take it easy, this way you'll meet Steph and will be able to continue her storyline

Nope. Took it easy. Ran into Steph. Did her up until the Rugby match. She slept with the MC. Then, all of a sudden, the WT said to do something to start Ellie path. After that, the only time I've seen Steph, she was working the crowd at the World Cup game on the TV. Other than that, nothing has been said about her. That's why I was wondering. Haven't done the dinner date with Ellie's family yet. Shoot, just now hired Samantha to work in the office.

 

[lipe2410]

to do something to start Ellie path.

This was your mistake. Start Ellie's paths gets you out from Steph's path.

 

[hysepReC]

So she is gold digger in that instance, but generally she is not?

No, a gold digger is a woman that pursues a relationship with a rich man purely for the money - that's not what Jenna does with the MC, she loves him. When they were still together, she nagged the MC about working too much and not spending enough time with her, a gold digger wouldn't give a shit about that. If anything, she whores herself out to the MC after finding out he already has a new girlfriend. Ellie and Samantha aren't gold diggers either because they both have feelings for the MC. You could argue that Emma is a gold digger - she only stays with her boyfriend because he buys her things but even then, i don't think the relationship started that way.

 

[Thermophob]

No, a gold digger is a woman that pursues a relationship with a rich man purely for the money - that's not what Jenna does with the MC, she loves him. When they were still together, she nagged the MC about working too much and not spending enough time with her, a gold digger wouldn't give a shit about that. If anything, she whores herself out to the MC after finding out he already has a new girlfriend. Ellie and Samantha aren't gold diggers either because they both have feelings for the MC. You could argue that Emma is a gold digger - she only stays with her boyfriend because he buys her things but even then, i don't think the relationship started that way.

I am afraid we are running in circles. Gold digger is stereotype for women chasing men for their affluence. It never had common and precise definition. Portrayals of gold-diggers in mass media vary. Sometimes they are vilified, sometimes represented as tragic heroines. Sometimes they are represented as genuinely in love with men they chase (Marylin Monroe in few of her films). So, I am sorry, but I don't think genuine romantic feelings exclude gold digging. Am I hash, maybe, but this game after all is not romance, as pointed above. Most importnantly I don't say Jenna, Stephanie, Ellie, not even twins are attracted to MC solely for money, but it is strong point in their attraction.
Second, I don't know if you read my previous comments, but saying Samantha has genuine feelings for MC, is way to much off the mark. She comes first day and flirts very openly with MC. (I will be better employ than Ellie in every way, I can be very productive with bit of extra motivation.. ). Then, second day she barges in to change in front of him). Pure romantic feelings...
PS, Jenna is constantly mentioning how much MC earns, when you chose her as Girlfriend.
Ironically, Lydia married rich man who can be her father , and she is not with MC for money...

 

[hysepReC]

I am afraid we are running in circles. Gold digger is stereotype for women chasing men for their affluence. It never had common and precise definition.

gold-digger

noun
DEROGATORY•INFORMAL

1. a person who forms relationships with others purely to extract money from them, in particular a woman who strives to marry a wealthy man.

saying Samantha has genuine feelings for MC, is way to much off the mark. She comes first day and flirts very openly with MC. (I will be better employ than Ellie in every way, I can be very productive with bit of extra motivation.. ). Then, second day she barges in to change in front of him). Pure romantic feelings...

She flirts with the MC on the first day because she wants to get out of cleaning, i don't know where you got the idea that she's gold digging at that point. As for the changing incident, the MC wouldn't have even noticed she undressed if Ellie didn't draw attention to it, and this is before the Samantha romance starts anyway. Go and replay the scene where Samantha sends the MC a recording after her stream and tell me she doesn't have any feelings for him.

PS, Jenna is constantly mentioning how much MC earns, when you chose her as Girlfriend.

She mentions it once or twice because she's struggling financially, it's a pretty normal thing to worry about. It doesn't make her a gold digger.

 

[Thermophob]

gold-digger

noun
DEROGATORY•INFORMAL

1. a person who forms relationships with others purely to extract money from them, in particular a woman who strives to marry a wealthy man.

There are dozens of different definitions in other dictionaries. Like this:

from The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, 5th Edition.
A person who is in a romantic relationship in order to get money or gifts from the romantic partner, especially a woman seeking to marry a rich man.

So, what's your point exactly, besides the fact you don't like me calling them gold diggers? I have stated my arguments, you stated yours. I don't ask you to agree with me. It's fine to disagree.

 

[Talmadge]

So. What is the code for Whistle? I tried to search for it on here, looked at the walkthrough on the OP, and everything. Couldn't find it. Thanks!

 

[Echoesinthedarkness]

You know what guys, I think I actually like bimbo's gold-digging persona. Makes her character even more fake and bland, just what bimbos are all about . Also adds extra spice to her punishments, and distances her from the player. Hopefully White Phantom will let her show this side more.

 

[Thermophob]

You know what guys, I think I actually like bimbo's gold-digging persona. Makes her character even more fake and bland, just what bimbos are all about . Also adds extra spice to her punishments, and distances her from the player. Hopefully White Phantom will let her show this side more.

Well, I don't mind gold-digging either. When it comes to Stephanie, well, she is depraved slut, which is definitely something I enjoy. But she is really talking to much, and control freak (especially for submissive slave). On top of it, her romance turns off other girls besides of Lydia, and partially Jenna. I will always play her content, but so far Ellie's family looks more interesting.

Spoiler: Ellie family

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Also path with Jenna as girlfriend draws my attention. She is ready to explore lot of things.

 

[Cool'Thulhu]

But it's not like humiliation is the only kink in existence and it's not like every character has to come across like they're from the same trashy neighbourhood to be interesting.

I literally commented on the fact that this game offers multiple paths for multiple LIs and all of them end up kind of same...

Some have similar fetishes but they are NOT the same:

Ellie - Anal/Dominance... maybe corruption too, but one could argue that she was just slutting it up cuz MC asked
Helena - Masochism/Corruption
Sam - Exhibitionism/Incest
Emma - Submission/Cuckolding
Vanessa - Dominance/Cuckolding
Stephanie - She's in too many kink shit to list (sometimes even literally )
Lydia - Besides being ok with sharing, we don't know yet, but like Ellie said, rich people are crazy
Jenna - Idk, seems to be the most "vanilla" one

While many of those kinks could involve humiliation, depends on the person what they consider humiliating...
Some would say Exhibitionism is humiliation, while others find it empowering, same goes for power play.

Btw there's no femdom on male in this game (apart from dreams), so it's just girl on girl dom for now.

 

[Thermophob]

Some have similar fetishes but they are NOT the same:

Lydia - Besides being ok with sharing, we don't know yet, but like Ellie said, rich people are crazy
Jenna - Idk, seems to be the most "vanilla" one

Lydia sets up dungeon so she and MC can hire slave girls and dominate them together.
Jenna has cuckqueen scene where other girl dominates her. Also, there is a window for future scenes where MC is dominating her.

 

[binkdink420]

Lydia sets up dungeon so she and MC can hire slave girls and dominate them together.
Jenna has cuckqueen scene where other girl dominates her. Also, there is a window for future scenes where MC is dominating her.

So you guys are listing why this game rocks for fans of male dom like me!
And definitely hope the dev keeps the femdom girl on girl. Or, at the very least, avoidable for the MC!

 

[Cool'Thulhu]

Jenna has cuckqueen scene where other girl dominates her

She doesn't seem to enjoy it though
Nothing like Sophie who obviously has a pretty strong cuckolding fetish

About Lydia, I bet she's pretty nuts

 

[binkdink420]

She doesn't seem to enjoy it though
Nothing like Sophie who obviously has a pretty strong cuckolding fetish

About Lydia, I bet she's pretty nuts

Yea I hated the Jenna cuck seen for about 30 seconds but then she immediately flipped so I guess she actually liked it. Can't imagine responding that way otherwise.