VN Ren'Py Defending Lydia Collier [v0.16.2 Hotfix] [White Phantom Games]

[Samuel Hidayat]

I did non bimbo Steph and she has a much better personality than bimbo Steph who is a gold digging slut, but I brought Lydia into the mix and hopefully she will pay for barbie Steph's demands cos MC sure as shit ain't gonna afford her for long!

My biggest gripe with Bimbo Steph is she requires MC's absolute attention, so no chance at getting sidechicks (except Lydia, I think). At least vanilla Steph route still allows MC to cheat with Jenna.

 

[Thermophob]

Bimbo or non-bimbo, Stephanie is still the same girl. Kinky, gold digger, watching reality shows, talking bit to much, and quite demanding despite being submissive. Naturally, there is more things she is doing once she gets fake tits, but its mostly due the fact developer didn't have resources to double scenes. Of course, it fits in story this way too (once she got surgery, her vents get loosened, and she follows her desires fully).
Anyway, few guys mention she is gold digger, well she is, but with possible exception of Vanessa, all other girls are gold diggers. Lydia married her father's close friend. Entire Ellie's family are ready to get MC in their panties because he is loaded, Jenna is happy to be side chick if he pays her rent...

 

[Hildegardt]

For having so many LI with different personalities to choose from and having a corruption and a more vanilla path for each, every character kind of ends up similarly trashy. Even the most "normal" (i.e. least disfunctional) LI Vanessa turns into a kinky master of humiliation at the drop of her panties. And even the rich woman is kind of low class.

 

[Deleted member 2093814]

Bimbo or non-bimbo, Stephanie is still the same girl. Kinky, gold digger, watching reality shows, talking bit to much, and quite demanding despite being submissive. Of course, there is more things she is doing once she gets fake tits, but its mostly due the fact developer didn't have resources to double scenes. Of course, it fits in story this way too (once she got surgery, her vents get loosened, and she follows her desires fully).
Anyway, few guys mention she is gold digger, well she is, but with possible exception of Vanessa, all other girls are gold diggers. Lydia married her father's close friend. Entire Ellie's family are ready to get MC in her panties because he is loaded, Jenna is happy to be side chick if he pays her rent...

Yeah you're not wrong there, Ellie's family are a real feral mercenary bunch.
It seems if you want the sluttier version of the LI then they show less appealing personalities...bimbo steph constantly wanting expensive things while being childish or Ellie becoming a lazy spoiled brat when she wears slutty outfits in the office. Like the dev is kinda punishing the player for those choices...

I'm glad I saved the DCI for last, she's the most mature and natural one - provided you don't jump down the rabbithole and bring out her domme side

 

[Echoesinthedarkness]

I don't mind gold digging tbh. For what she offers, bimbo surely undersells herself.

Also I would say it's the player who starts to undermine characters by dragging them through the depths of depravity, so saying that you want the girls to be considerate while picking them to do dirtiest stuff imaginable is just weird.

 

[Deleted member 2093814]

Paying for a boob job (which Steph loves) or asking Ellie to dress sexier isn't exactly "dragging them through the depths of depravity".

No, what's weird is every freaking girl wants you to buy a bathtub for them.

 

[Echoesinthedarkness]

I mean, boob job is just a beginning of bimbo path. Sure, at large her behaviour won't change if player will be more "romantic" with her (and that is one of my biggest gripes with the game - once path is set in stone, each update has no coonections to previous ones, almost 0 mention of past events and whatnot, very off-putting considering we have huge branching choices, but on smaller side of things it's pretty dull) - so yeah, her behaviour on given path won't change, but the choices given to player clearly define what this path is all about, so telling "well bimbo path is boob job and nothing else" is not true. And for what this path is worth, surely gold-digging is not something unimaginable.

 

[janeiro_30]

Got to the going to Ellie's house, and what a let down, she went from a nice competent friendly girl to a mean horny lass, i'm saddened by that :/

 

[Deleted member 2093814]

Ellie was already depraved anyway, she lets slip

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Sam is pretty sweet when you are nice to her, she's kinda overtaking Ellie for me.

 

[Gimpster]

the anomation tag needs removing from this game .. he put in like 3 bought animations at the start of the game and has made zero effort since in my book thats a false tag

 

[Echoesinthedarkness]

the anomation tag needs removing from this game .. he put in like 3 bought animations at the start of the game and has made zero effort since in my book thats a false tag

In my book you contradict yourself

 

[Thermophob]

I mean, boob job is just a beginning of bimbo path. Sure, at large her behaviour won't change if player will be more "romantic" with her (and that is one of my biggest gripes with the game - once path is set in stone, each update has no coonections to previous ones, almost 0 mention of past events and whatnot, very off-putting considering we have huge branching choices, but on smaller side of things it's pretty dull) - so yeah, her behaviour on given path won't change, but the choices given to player clearly define what this path is all about, so telling "well bimbo path is boob job and nothing else" is not true. And for what this path is worth, surely gold-digging is not something unimaginable.

I think White Phantom wrote here (or it was Patreon, but somebody posted it here), real reason why all kinkier scenes are exclusive to bimbo path is logistic. He doesn't have time nor resources to double each scene with bdsm gear (one for normal, and one for bimboified).
Regarding gold digging, it fits well in the story. MC is fancy London lawyer, lot of gold diggers are looking for such men. Regarding the fact that all LI's are kinky (almost all of them are in rough sex, one or another way), whoever played previous game of White Phantom would expect this. And, of course, all of them are easy to bed, this is a Porn Game, after all.

 

[Cab-boe]

My bet is on the girl that Ironstar sent to track you. She was sent to track Lydia and got locked up. Bit of a long shot but 1. Lydia's behaviour at the end reads more like there's an almost reasonable explanation and 2. having the same character in a similar situation sort of just reads correct to me. Also if it's someone we're very familiar with, I don't think WP would have the main character be incapable of recognizing a voice for the sake of a dramatic cliffhanger that's going to be meaningless when the game is finished.

 

[Cool'Thulhu]

each update has no coonections to previous ones, almost 0 mention of past events and whatnot, very off-putting considering we have huge branching choices, but on smaller side of things it's pretty dull

Yeah, Its really weird when MC gets surprised TWICE knowing about Ellie x Sam from Emma and Sam's dialogues, even though he read their messages and HER OWN MOTHER told him.
Or knowing about the hairbrush even though AGAIN her mother told him and she HERSELF told him in the night before.
Or (to a less extent) Lydia being surprised if MC gets naked and perv on her even though they already orally fuck each other.

Sam is pretty sweet when you are nice to her

She's pretty kinky too , besides being an obvious "closet" exhibitionist (400 nudes is not normal ), did you forget the huge incest fetish she has?
She not only is an "eager helper" for her big sis but even read magazines about it while rubbing one at the bath

Georgia, on the other hand, is lesbian, chances to fuck her are the lowest for this three.

I mean, who isn't a """lesbian""" is this game though?
Like Ellie, Steph and Lydia had "girlfriends"... Sophie was full gay and you saw where that took her
And i'm not complaining, bi girls are heaven sent


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About the "captive", I'm almost sure it's Eve (Charles's girlfriend/mistress)
- She said Eve used to "humiliated" her when she came to fuck Charles
- The letter found in the garage car talks about "her coming back for them" if she found out about Fleur

About Lydia, well, she may not have killed Charles, but that doesn't mean she's a saint, she's already lied twice, just a theory but she could have been part of the "scheme" originally but became a loose end and was used as a scapegoat

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BTW I also found another bug, the sex scene in Vanessa's House doesn't unlock in the Gallery
*Vanessa Scene 5*

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Yeah you're not wrong there, Ellie's family are a real feral mercenary bunch.
It seems if you want the sluttier version of the LI then they show less appealing personalities...bimbo steph constantly wanting expensive things while being childish or Ellie becoming a lazy spoiled brat when she wears slutty outfits in the office. Like the dev is kinda punishing the player for those choices...

I'm glad I saved the DCI for last, she's the most mature and natural one - provided you don't jump down the rabbithole and bring out her domme side

The only gold digger in Ellie's family is Emma imo. She literally sticks to her "incompetent" boyfriend just to wring out his dough lmao. Ellie and Sam are the most genuine with their feelings for MC.

As for the mom, let's just say daddy issues is least of her red flags.

 

[Deleted member 2093814]

She's pretty kinky too , besides being an obvious "closet" exhibitionist (400 nudes is not normal ), did you forget the huge incest fetish she has?
She not only is an "eager helper" for her big sis but even read magazines about it while rubbing one at the bath

Yeah she's reading that taboo mag while you have a whiz
I loved her stream when the game turns out to be lewd and all the chat responses lol.
Yeah Sam has really grown on me, she's cute and I thought she was just a bitch at the start...but then you see Ellie and the others treat her pretty harshly.

Somehow I missed the option to get the whole lot of them with the mother's help
Instead I got Lydia wanting to share with Ellie and Sam being MC's secret gf but wanting him to sort it with Ellie before doing the biz. Must have fucked up somewhere.

 

[Deleted member 2093814]

The only gold digger in Ellie's family is Emma imo. She literally sticks to her "incompetent" boyfriend just to wring out his dough lmao. Ellie and Sam are the most genuine with their feelings for MC.

As for the mom, let's just say daddy issues is least of her red flags.

Yeah but Ellie wants MC to buy a freaking bathtub...just like Steph. MC should just get a big bucket in his place and make them sit in it

Ellie is happy for Lydia to take her shopping.....plus buy her a car and get lessons btw.

 

[WarriorSteel]

Ellie refused an one million pounds deal to lose her virginity with Tanya's dad, so she isn't a gold digger.

 

[Thermophob]

The only gold digger in Ellie's family is Emma imo.

I would say she is most calculated of all.

Ellie and Sam are the most genuine with their feelings for MC.

Ellie knows him for like a month (longer than any other main girl except Jenna, who's definitely gold digger, lol), and she spends most of day with him anyway. I can imagine she has major crush, but I wouldn't say she is without interest into his financial side. As far as Samantha goes, she knows him for two days, and accepts money and gifts from him.

As for the mom, let's just say daddy issues is least of her red flags.

Helena is such a dirty slut, hope we will have more scenes with her. Definitely more interesting than Stephanie or Vanessa in my book.

Ellie refused an one million pounds deal to lose her virginity with Tanya's dad, so she isn't a gold digger.

Gold digging and elite prostitution are not same thing.
PS I am don't hold gold digging as major flaw. They only want a man who will provide them with luxury life.

 

[Samuel Hidayat]

Yeah but Ellie wants MC to buy a freaking bathtub...just like Steph. MC should just get a big bucket in his place and make them sit in it

A bathtub can't be that expensive. MC is loaded anyway, and it's not like she's demanding MC to raise her pay exponentially or buy her a fuckton of things just because. Seems like a reasonable (and playful) request to me.

If there's one strike for Ellie, it's her gleefully bullying Sam.