SpectreGT

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Ahem, political?))) Is everything all right with your head?))) Where did you find politics there?)))
This game is very clearly satire of a Soviet Union that not only survived the 80s/90s, but also seemingly won a nuclear war by making Moscow float. Of all the things that get mislabeled as "political", the label is somewhat applicable here. We have thus far covered the internal operations of the KGB, how rebellions operate, how the Kremlin deals with them, the existence and role of Kolkhozes within the Union, the efficacy and ethics of Gulags, and been presented with several different interpretations of what "communism" actually implies and entails. While the game's primary focus may not be politics and political discussion, the setting and theme is entrenched in the politics of a post-nuclear era Soviet Union.

Edit: unless your comment was satire, in which case, fuck me I guess.
 
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This game is very clearly satire of a Soviet Union that not only survived the 80s/90s, but also seemingly won a nuclear war by making Moscow float. Of all the things that get mislabeled as "political", the label is somewhat applicable here. We have thus far covered the internal operations of the KGB, how rebellions operate, how the Kremlin deals with them, the existence and role of Kolkhozes within the Union, the efficacy and ethics of Gulags, and been presented with several different interpretations of what "communism" actually implies and entails. While the game's primary focus may not be politics and political discussion, the setting and theme is entrenched in the politics of a post-nuclear era Soviet Union.

Edit: unless your comment was satire, in which case, fuck me I guess.
Oh and don't forget, you literally have Lenin in your head. (Also don't worry, you're on f95, no one's gonna fuck you ;) )
 

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This game is very clearly satire of a Soviet Union that not only survived the 80s/90s, but also seemingly won a nuclear war by making Moscow float. Of all the things that get mislabeled as "political", the label is somewhat applicable here. We have thus far covered the internal operations of the KGB, how rebellions operate, how the Kremlin deals with them, the existence and role of Kolkhozes within the Union, the efficacy and ethics of Gulags, and been presented with several different interpretations of what "communism" actually implies and entails. While the game's primary focus may not be politics and political discussion, the setting and theme is entrenched in the politics of a post-nuclear era Soviet Union.

Edit: unless your comment was satire, in which case, fuck me I guess.
A satire on the USSR??? I'm begging you. This was written by a person who knows as much about it as I know about local life on Alpha Centauri))) He doesn't know anything about the USSR from the word at all. Most likely, he drew everything from a Canadian-made textbook on the history of the USSR. That's exactly the kind of nonsense in it)))
And by the way, the GULAG is not a self-designation of something, but an abbreviation that stands for "The Main Directorate of Correctional Labor Camps." And from 1500 to 2000 thousand people worked in this office, they did not sit in it, but worked. They were bosses and employees of all stripes, not prisoners.
 

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A satire on the USSR??? I'm begging you. This was written by a person who knows as much about it as I know about local life on Alpha Centauri))) He doesn't know anything about the USSR from the word at all. Most likely, he drew everything from a Canadian-made textbook on the history of the USSR. That's exactly the kind of nonsense in it)))
And by the way, the GULAG is not a self-designation of something, but an abbreviation that stands for "The Main Directorate of Correctional Labor Camps." And from 1500 to 2000 thousand people worked in this office, they did not sit in it, but worked. They were bosses and employees of all stripes, not prisoners.
I'm starting to think you don't know what "satire" means. By definition, an overexaggerated, ironic, and humorous depiction of an idea, issue, or other piece of content, sometimes to the extent that the depiction could be argued is no longer even accurate, is satire. That is precisely what Defenestration is. It is likely supposed to be worse than a "Canadian-made textbook" in its depiction of Soviet Moscow, by design. If the game was 100% historically accurate to the actual Soviet Union, it wouldn't be a fucking satire. It would be a porn game with historical lore dumps. There are many works of satire that large groups of people entirely miss the fact that the work is satire and instead see the work as in advocacy for the satirized idea (see: Warhammer 40k). That doesn't magically make the content not satire anymore, it means people see what they want to see. You can claim the game is bad satire but, by definition, it is still satire.
 

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I'm starting to think you don't know what "satire" means. By definition, an overexaggerated, ironic, and humorous depiction of an idea, issue, or other piece of content, sometimes to the extent that the depiction could be argued is no longer even accurate, is satire. That is precisely what Defenestration is. It is likely supposed to be worse than a "Canadian-made textbook" in its depiction of Soviet Moscow, by design. If the game was 100% historically accurate to the actual Soviet Union, it wouldn't be a fucking satire. It would be a porn game with historical lore dumps. There are many works of satire that large groups of people entirely miss the fact that the work is satire and instead see the work as in advocacy for the satirized idea (see: Warhammer 40k). That doesn't magically make the content not satire anymore, it means people see what they want to see. You can claim the game is bad satire but, by definition, it is still satire.
Satire and mud-slinging, which has nothing to do with reality even remotely, as far as I understand, are completely different things, and I think there is no need to cast a shadow on the fence...
 

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Satire and mud-slinging, which has nothing to do with reality even remotely, as far as I understand, are completely different things, and I think there is no need to cast a shadow on the fence...
Satire and mud-slinging are not mutually exclusive. A work intended to criticize can be one, the other, both, or neither. Many historical pieces of satire were written with the express purpose of mud-slinging. The person who created the work of satire would likely prefer it be called "critique" instead of mud-slinging though.
 
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Satire and mud-slinging are not mutually exclusive. A work intended to criticize can be one, the other, both, or neither. Many historical pieces of satire were written with the express purpose of mud-slinging. The person who created the work of satire would likely prefer it be called "critique" instead of mud-slinging though.
Nonsense.
 
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It's strange to see that someone thinks this game isn't satire, given the game's setting and the title itself) If it's not satire, what is it? A documentary?

It's not surprising that the discussion has descended into "no, you're a fool" level arguments, since the line between mud-slinging and satire is somewhere in the realm of semantic acrobatics...
 
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It's strange to see that someone thinks this game isn't satire, given the game's setting and the title itself) If it's not satire, what is it? A documentary?

It's not surprising that the discussion has descended into "no, you're a fool" level arguments, since the line between mud-slinging and satire is somewhere in the realm of semantic acrobatics...
(I think he's using an advanced techique called trolling. You might even call it....satire....)
Or he's just a moron, either works for me honestly
 

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(I think he's using an advanced techique called trolling. You might even call it....satire....)
Or he's just a moron, either works for me honestly
It's very likely trolling, which is why I'm over the discussion. The pivot from taking offense to the "political" to taking offense to the "satire" likely should have given it away much earlier. Just rustling the pot for no reason.
 
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It's very likely trolling, which is why I'm over the discussion. The pivot from taking offense to the "political" to taking offense to the "satire" likely should have given it away much earlier. Just rustling the pot for no reason.
What do you mean the game's political?!?!
 

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Trolling by devoting an entire paragraph to explain what GULAG actually is? He must be a stakhanovite among trolls in that case)
 
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