HTML Degrees of Lewdity [v0.5.6.8] [Vrelnir]

[leminal]

Yikes. I can only echo the feelings of everyone above.
Man, I remember a time when you could joke and mess around, even on the internet, and your life wouldn't be over for some stupid word. Ironically, the whole ideology of "acceptance" and "inclusivity" has made us as a society far less tolerant. Witch hunts indeed.

 

[MRN64]

Yikes. I can only echo the feelings of everyone above.
Man, I remember a time when you could joke and mess around, even on the internet, and your life wouldn't be over for some stupid word. Ironically, the whole ideology of "tolerance" and "inclusivity" has made us as a society far less tolerant.

Tolerance and inclusivity can only exist if you dont allow intolerance and exclusivity. "It was just a joke" is not really an excuse because its just a justification someone can will and do use to deflect from the monstrous shit they do and say. You have to nip it in the bud before it festers and the only way to do that is to call it out. There is a MAJOR difference between calling out and searching through a persons online history to harass them however.

Either way the argument that people need to be allowed to post and repeat a bunch of disgusting toxic bullshit should NOT be tolerated simply for the fact that it normalizes the practice and gives the people doing so a foothold into justification. That should not be allowed. Mostly because as soon as saying racist shit is normalized with it "just being a joke" then being ACTUALLY racist will fall under that umbrella with everything that entails.

The argument that "the tolerant people are being intolerant because they are intolerant of the intolerant" is essentially a dog whistle for what is basically white supremacy. There is a whole discussion about that which is very interesting if you want to educate yourself on it.

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[Fake_Robot_User]

Blogspot has their age verification sign in thing -- does anyone want to just copy and paste the whole post for those of us who don't have accounts?

 

[MRN64]

Blogspot has their age verification sign in thing -- does anyone want to just copy and paste the whole post for those of us who don't have accounts?

It was literally posted like 4 posts ago or something.

 

[leminal]

Tolerance and inclusivity can only exist if you dont allow intolerance and exclusivity. "It was just a joke" is not really an excuse because its just a justification someone can will and do use to deflect from the monstrous shit they do and say. You have to nip it in the bud before it festers and the only way to do that is to call it out. There is a MAJOR difference between calling out and searching through a persons online history to harass them however.

Wrong. This is so fundamentally wrong that I can't express how wrong it is.

Natural tolerance and inclusivity exist when you foster an environment in which people feel comfortable to share thoughts and joke around with each other without being judged and sentenced for it. If you had ever lived in such an environment, this would be a self evident truth.

FORCED tolerance and inclusivity, which is what you're talking about, isn't tolerance and inclusivity at all. It's not within our nature as human beings, but instead something forcefully, externally, imposed. It's forced compliance through fear. People will comply, but as we can see from the deep fractures in current society, they won't do so happily and will hold resentment. Resentment which will eventually bloom into violence (physical or otherwise) and which will, in turn, provoke a response of violence from the ones pushing this forced compliance.

Either way the argument that people need to be allowed to post and repeat a bunch of disgusting toxic bullshit should NOT be tolerated simply for the fact that it normalizes the practice and gives the people doing so a foothold into justification. That should not be allowed. Mostly because as soon as saying racist shit is normalized with it "just being a joke" then being ACTUALLY racist will fall under that umbrella with everything that entails.

Who defines what is toxic and what is not? What is offensive and what is not? What should be judged and what should not? What makes you a moral authority where other people are not?

All I'm reading is a bunch of sophistry without any basis in reality.

 

[MRN64]

Look we could have a super long winded ethical discussion of whether or not its ok to abuse minorities and/or strip them of their rights but frankly i dont give a fuck if you want to say its acceptable to be a racist piece of shit openly in public. Because its not and shouldnt be up for debate. There is only one acceptable stance for white supremacy and racism and its not to be super tolerant and let them run amok. This also isnt really the appropriate place to be discussing this so if you want to dicuss it with a bunch of like minded individuals there is an entire politics thread in the off topic section full of self identifying christian nationalists that do nothing but post about the stuff you want to protect. So go there.

As far as the rest of the post i really am just not going to bother giving it a response because honestly defending a bunch of bigoted shit isnt a stance that should even need to be discussed. The topic in regards to the game isnt about defending racist shit its about online harassment campaigns. Honestly even that is a sketcy topic to be considered "on topic" and i fully expect the thread to be moderated to bring it back on topic to the actual game itself. So once again if you want to spout this then take it elsewhere.

 

[tester72]

If I play a game and dislike several things... I stop playing it.

Are you going to stop playing your favorite game because theres QoL needed in parts, theres a type in one of the description and theres a common bug that can be solved by backtracing a bit?
Thats several problems you can dislike, nothing is ever perfect but they dont necessearly mean you gonna stop paying your favorite.

Lmao what? The problem doesnt exist because its not a problem for 99.9% of people. Idk if you know that "white knight" means ngl.

Again, you dont experience something as a problem so as a white knight you are assuming they dont exist and dont matter. Seriously i havent seen this since Warframe ages, soo many white knights ready to call off any critism of the game with the exact same attitude because if you cant see a problem it doesnt exist and therefore it doesnt exist for others aswell.

Lets be real this can be fixed by renaming the item "onion" into something that sounds rare and the problem is fixed, its nothing mayor and i think anyone can agree with this assumption that its quick to fix.
Instead like a white knight you are arguing with me that the problem doesnt exist because you dont see it.

 

[MRN64]

This guy is still talking about onions like its an actual important problem.

 

[tester72]

Wrong. This is so fundamentally wrong that I can't express how wrong it is.

Natural tolerance and inclusivity exist when you foster an environment in which people feel comfortable to share thoughts and joke around with each other without being judged and sentenced for it. If you had ever lived in such an environment, this would be a self evident truth.

FORCED tolerance and inclusivity, which is what you're talking about, isn't tolerance and inclusivity at all. It's not within our nature as human beings, but instead something forcefully, externally, imposed. It's forced compliance through fear. People will comply, but as we can see from the deep fractures in current society, they won't do so happily and will hold resentment. Resentment which will eventually bloom into violence (physical or otherwise) and which will, in turn, provoke a response of violence from the ones pushing this forced compliance.

Kinda true, tolerance and inclusivity can only really exist when its slowly like grape wines grow up and cover up the fields. Forcibly pushing it down every possible free ground will create a lot of people who are conflicted on a whole lot of different parts of it.

Look up the Speedy Gonzales fiasco. People wanted to ban the series because of inclusivity and tolerance reasons as it was full of "bad mexican stereotypes". It was the mexicans who protested hard for Cartoon Network to bring it back.
Theres also the "is my outfit racist"? videos. Guy dresses up as ethnicities and asks people around if its racist and plenty will think so but when he gets to the ethnicity he dress up they no longer say that.

Because the tolerance and inclusivity happened unnaturally, it created an enviroment where it mudded the values it supposed to create. I could probably give some more recent events of similar sense but i dont want to turn this into a full blow politican shitshow.

 

[tester72]

This guy is still talking about onions like its an actual important problem.

Arent you the one who suggested to just ignore it?
It seems like onions are a bigger issue than the online drama going on and i like to reply to people.

 

[rhoghadessa]

To be completely fair, no one did care about the fact that onions and tomatoes and other stuff weren't available at the Supermarket, and certain fruit like Bananas were only available from the Markets and you had to steal Oranges from a specific Danube Mansion skullduggery event to get any at all. Or that most dairy products as well as Truffles, Plums and Peaches came from Alex's Farm, with the latter ones after doing the Woodlands upgrade. Even when there were 'gifting food' Feats to get, some of the LIs had multiple favourite food to choose from and you only had to do it once for the Feat, so for most it was a 'do it once and done' kind of deal, especially since there is no 'daily Love decay' for acknowledged LIs that make it necessary to gift them stuff regularly. Vegetables and related crops prior to Housekeeping (and thus the whole notion of cooking anything at all in DoL) was instead more a means to make money, either via setting up your own stall at the Market or bulk selling at at the Factory.

It only became a 'problem' when Avery's Mansion came along and players who went along with them ended up needing to feed them every day. That said, I never liked Avery and even now haven't gone along with them enough to wholeheartedly go along with their demands (always only followed to screw them over with the Brown Fox's Tasks). I kind of wish I can 'dismiss' them properly after all that still.

 

[jeelin]

The discord server for this game is so fucking stupid, why is virtue warfare and 5 page over-explained apologies so prevalent around an erotic game about rape and sex trafficking? We're all strangers here, it's embarrassing to watch the devs posture so hard. Just screaming here into the void because none of my homies know about this game.

On that note, Vrel swearing that this game was never loli/shota aligned and the ATF activity was just shits n giggles is the foulest bullshit I've ever smelled

 

[sparrow_rose]

To be completely fair, no one did care about the fact that onions and tomatoes and other stuff weren't available at the Supermarket, and certain fruit like Bananas were only available from the Markets and you had to steal Oranges from a specific Danube Mansion skullduggery event to get any at all.

Oh, oranges are that hard to get? I'll add them to the mod.

 

[mehmeme]

Again, you dont experience something as a problem so as a white knight you are assuming they dont exist and dont matter.

soo many white knights ready to call off any critism of the game with the exact same attitude because if you cant see a problem it doesnt exist and therefore it doesnt exist for others aswell.

No, its the other way round, *you* see something as a problem and because *you* see a problem, it exists, and therefore it exists for others as well.
Idk where you got it from that I would call of any criticism of the game, the only thing I ever called off was the dumb onion thing.

Lets be real this can be fixed by renaming the item "onion" into something that sounds rare and the problem is fixed, its nothing mayor and i think anyone can agree with this assumption that its quick to fix.
Instead like a white knight you are arguing with me that the problem doesnt exist because you dont see it.

Yes, you could 'fix' it like that, right up until theres a new non-issue you find that also needs 'fixing'. Maybe 'Why does the supermarket not sell cheese? Or bananas? Or oranges? Or Milk? Or Butter?' and you could go on and on like that. Or maybe something else, like 'Why are there no sheep in the game??? If it was realistic there would be sheep at the farms!' Or 'Why would a whale swallow a human? That makes no sense, it should be renamed!' And then you would want all these things 'fixed' too, even though noone actually was bothered by that (except you, which means everyone was bothered by it of course, even when there is no evidence of that), eating up dev time for no upside.
Maybe instead of calling me a 'white knight' (again, please look up what that means), you should consider if you are being a contrarian. A 'black knight', I guess, lol.

Or, if it really bothers you so much, just use a mod to fix the issue for yourself instantly.

 

[mehmeme]

To be completely fair, no one did care about the fact that onions and tomatoes and other stuff weren't available at the Supermarket, and certain fruit like Bananas were only available from the Markets and you had to steal Oranges from a specific Danube Mansion skullduggery event to get any at all. Or that most dairy products as well as Truffles, Plums and Peaches came from Alex's Farm, with the latter ones after doing the Woodlands upgrade. Even when there were 'gifting food' Feats to get, some of the LIs had multiple favourite food to choose from and you only had to do it once for the Feat, so for most it was a 'do it once and done' kind of deal, especially since there is no 'daily Love decay' for acknowledged LIs that make it necessary to gift them stuff regularly. Vegetables and related crops prior to Housekeeping (and thus the whole notion of cooking anything at all in DoL) was instead more a means to make money, either via setting up your own stall at the Market or bulk selling at at the Factory.

It only became a 'problem' when Avery's Mansion came along and players who went along with them ended up needing to feed them every day. That said, I never liked Avery and even now haven't gone along with them enough to wholeheartedly go along with their demands (always only followed to screw them over with the Brown Fox's Tasks). I kind of wish I can 'dismiss' them properly after all that still.

Its not even a problem for the mansion either since you can get Avery to stock up a few ingredients for you if you dont have them, which includes onions I assume.

 

[Kingdom1999]

Just checked the vrel post on the blogspot about this, and holy fuck, what absolutely stupid shit that Purity was witchhunted for.

Why do people always try to purity test everyone nowadays? To the extent they even go searching for things they've said in the past to use against them in the present( which imo is ONLY valid if the person in question is being hypocritical). Really wish this type of stuff would just die out man.

And I hope Purity will be able to rest and eventually comeback, never fun when certain crazies decide to go after you for frankly dumb reasons.

No you dont understand he said a naughty word half a decade ago and gave content to a character other than my favourite NPC therefore hes the devil and is too problematic for my rape kidnapping sex slave game

 

[PixelLewd]

No you dont understand he said a naughty word half a decade ago and gave content to a character other than my favourite NPC therefore hes the devil and is too problematic for my rape kidnapping sex slave game

True true, I guess we MUST go after him in the end