Unreal Engine Delta Zone [v22.1 Hotfix] [DEVOLUTION]
VanillaLover
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I don't wanna stoop down to dickriding Devolution so I'll keep it short. Piracy countermeasures in your game? Fine. Everyone does it and it's basically standard for a lot of games. Online connected DRMs? Stupid. Already as so many people have pointed out on this site and off, online-only just hurts your game more than if not absolutely wrecks its release.
It sucks that your game is pirated, but that's to be expected, like how you don't think that nothing wrong is gonna happen in your life. But resorting to tactics like this just hurts the game more than help it. The thing is aside from a few feature removals and the obvious problem, the game has actually improved. Graphics look nice and I still enjoy the game.
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Deriding a developer doesn't usually result in anything positive.
As for piracy countermeasures, that is more something you invest in for the beta or final build. Like Denuvo usually gets installed into AAA games, late into the development cycle. It may have the trappings of always online before that, but the anti-piracy measures are generally one of the last things implemented.
However the best anti-piracy countermeasures are:
-> Having a good product, in a finalized state, at a good price point. Most porn games aren't even near late beta state; this one certainly isn't.
-> Having the option to refund your money, if you don't like it. Can't do that with subscription paywalls.
-> Paying once, or having the option to pay again. ie Itch.io method. Or skipping the pay option, to test out the product and then going back and paying for it.
-> Utilizing a system of biometrics. Pretty hard to crack a fingerprint or retina ID scanner.
-> Having a simple key/password system, with a guard-dog software lurking behind it. Attempting to bypass the key/password activates the guard dog. Sometimes its as simple as crashing the program, but it could be more malicious like a blaster trojan.
-> Download/install executables that can only be used once per user. A lot of popular software, like Ufile uses a system like this.
-> Using registry data to setup protected information, that crashes the program anytime its modified by RegEdit, so that only specific software can create and update that protected information.
-> Requiring the user to install a secondary program, that performs guard-dog operations. A lot of games takes this option, and a lot of users aren't even aware the secondary program gets installed. I often find at least one Steam Next Fest game doing this.
-> Having something bad happen to the user, in game, if they are using a pirated product. Examples include the chicken gun in Crysis, the invulnerable scorpion in Serious Sam 3, and dying to game piracy in Game Dev Simulator.
The above are the best, because they are the least intrusive, doesn't require always online, and it ensures that the creator gets paid for their work.
What have different game developers to do with this? I am talking about this Project and this Developer, not anyone else.
Just to clarify (even though I should not have to since you know that the wait time that you wrote there is wrong):
Way before all this, in the winter of the year 2021/2022, Devolution held a vote with his patreon supporters on how to handle the Public (free) Releases. The Patreons voted for him to try to make a Update every 2 months, with the Patreons getting the newest version and the Public the one Release "older" one. Now, long story short, stuff happened, people could not wait, shit got toxic and at the end of the "Public Releases" and shortly before the Crack, the "wait" time for the public Releases was about 4-6 Months. Not 1.5 Years!
Again with other Game Devs... I am just gonna say this, you get the Access to his Discord for only pledging 1$. It acts more as a Troll and Spam deterrent than a "Paywall". Like you can do with your money, the Dev can do with his Discord.
I mentioned the Souls games a bunch in this regard. I will not say exactly what it is, but there is that one mechanic in those games, that many people hate and love, that might could come to this game in some form. The Dev floated that Idea in the Discord a few times. That is why the game needs Online connectivity and a way to identify the players.
Also, non of the official descriptions of the game her or on Patreon state that it will be a complete Singleplayer game.
Makes you think about the future possibility's of this game really...
Or like the original Armed Assault from way back when, make your gun extremely inaccurate.
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What other developers have to do with this is that most people will not support financially, month to month, for non-porn indies. Even as awesome as Rimworld, Tynan didn't expect to succeed at a month to month patreon, hence why he went the Kickstarter route. Its only Porn indies that can expect to be paid month to month, to develop a game over 6+ years to final build state. Sometimes even longer, like Wild Life.
Its often a hard sale to get someone to spend $40 once, on an Indie, and feel like they got their money's worth. For a fully released and feature complete game. Like how many people quibble over Everspace 2's price, but will shell out month to month to support a porn developer. I'm not saying that porn devs don't deserve every penny, but many gamers can be quite petty with forking over money for a one-time fee structure for feature complete games.
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Well, 1.5 years is accurate. Because before the crack came out, the free version was for Release 8, with the latest at Release 13. With a free release every 3 months, it would take waiting 1.5 years to see Release 13. But by then, any bugs in Release 13 would be fixed, so any feedback would be totally irrelevant, unless you were paying to get access to latest stable releases.
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There are often ways to prevent trolls and spam bots, that don't require paywalls. Examples I've seen are:
1. Have to wait 24 hours to post.
2. A bot messages you when you join, and have to do a quick captcha.
3. Have to post 10 messages, in general chat, before can post elsewhere.
4. Have to agree to submitting your IP address, so that if you spam stuff, they can easily report you.
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One mechanic from souls games that people like/hate. Hrmm... those potentially are:
-> Notes (often useless ones)
-> Previous death marks (clicking on it, to get killed by the thing they got killed by)
-> Invasions (hate me those darn invasions, especially as they prevent entering the boss arena and invaders often use glitches and exploits to be uber powerful)
-> Losing your currency and having to retrieve it, to get killed and lose that stuff permanently.
-> Having butt ugly female characters.
-> Install kill fall damage from a short height.
-> Getting backstabbed from a rubber banding when you roll and get backstabbed anyway.
-> Invisible floors in the crystal cavern.
-> Petrification clouds.
-> Ghosts that go through walls and floors and hit hard.
The list goes on...
What other developers have to do with this is that most people will not support financially, month to month, for non-porn indies. Even as awesome as Rimworld, Tynan didn't expect to succeed at a month to month patreon, hence why he went the Kickstarter route. Its only Porn indies that can expect to be paid month to month, to develop a game over 6+ years to final build state. Sometimes even longer, like Wild Life.
Its often a hard sale to get someone to spend $40 once, on an Indie, and feel like they got their money's worth. For a fully released and feature complete game. Like how many people quibble over Everspace 2's price, but will shell out month to month to support a porn developer. I'm not saying that porn devs don't deserve every penny, but many gamers can be quite petty with forking over money for a one-time fee structure for feature complete games.
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Well, 1.5 years is accurate. Because before the crack came out, the free version was for Release 8, with the latest at Release 13. With a free release every 3 months, it would take waiting 1.5 years to see Release 13. But by then, any bugs in Release 13 would be fixed, so any feedback would be totally irrelevant, unless you were paying to get access to latest stable releases.
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There are often ways to prevent trolls and spam bots, that don't require paywalls. Examples I've seen are:
1. Have to wait 24 hours to post.
2. A bot messages you when you join, and have to do a quick captcha.
3. Have to post 10 messages, in general chat, before can post elsewhere.
4. Have to agree to submitting your IP address, so that if you spam stuff, they can easily report you.
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One mechanic from souls games that people like/hate. Hrmm... those potentially are:
-> Notes (often useless ones)
-> Previous death marks (clicking on it, to get killed by the thing they got killed by)
-> Invasions (hate me those darn invasions, especially as they prevent entering the boss arena and invaders often use glitches and exploits to be uber powerful)
-> Losing your currency and having to retrieve it, to get killed and lose that stuff permanently.
-> Having butt ugly female characters.
-> Install kill fall damage from a short height.
-> Getting backstabbed from a rubber banding when you roll and get backstabbed anyway.
-> Invisible floors in the crystal cavern.
-> Petrification clouds.
-> Ghosts that go through walls and floors and hit hard.
The list goes on...
Direct quote from dev:
"in new version v key is disabled"
"v key is removed, but I forgot to remove controls sheet"
I reiterate - it's not a bug to be fixed, but an intentional decision from the dev.
wow 3 months(and 18000$ dollars dev profit) for removing the undress button and adding DRM.
his patrons are literal cucks LOL.
what a greedy phagg0t dev. i hope his game gets cracked just to make him butthurt mad.
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Quoting myself because this WILL happen again, it happened for that weird Furry Growth fetish RPG, it will happen here aswell.
VanillaLover
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It seems like you're the one who's butthurt about it.
Living on 6k a month sucks in other countries, but assuming Devolution is from Poland (from the assets in the game), that's basically what most Polish people need in a year. It's insane, yes, that this game is funded to the fucking sky in comparison to its quality, but at the end of the day Devolution is a solo dev with only an animator to help. I'm no developer, but from what I know, the more people work on something the less of a bottleneck there is on actually creating the product. Looking at indie games, Cry of Fear was developed in 4 years and is a free game. Of course a mod and a full fledged UE5 game are quite different, but it pains me that this game isn't being worked on any faster or better. My standards are so low that I was screaming like a little girl when I saw the intro.
This game is close to my heart and I wish it would get better, but at this pace we're lucky if it reaches 0.2 and not Abandoned.
I played the latest version idk somehow it worked for me and come across new tentacle animation (honestly not what I expected) again another animation with all the way through this time from mouth to ass to pussy lmao not a fan zzz.
other things like graphics seems to be improved, there is new vegetation now which looks gr8, I don't think dev wants to make this game a porn game primarily, it's just a way to make money till u can.
other things like graphics seems to be improved, there is new vegetation now which looks gr8, I don't think dev wants to make this game a porn game primarily, it's just a way to make money till u can.
VanillaLover
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That's what it's supposed to be, since the beginning. The thing everyone fails to realize is that this isn't a porn game but an actual game that just has porn, think Subverse. Not every game here is immediately just serving the purpose of having sexual content in them, there is even a tag for it.
That is one of the stupidest changes I've *ever* seen in gaming. Like, what's even the point? All it does is negatively impact the game. And before some says "but muh immersion", you could've just not used it in the first place. This is the worst change of the update. The online DRM sucks, sure, but I've had zero issues with it so far. Removing a single hotkey can do so much damage when there was literally no reason to remove it.
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Because it was there for debugging. Devo put things in for ease early on and now is removing some of those debugging tools for their intended implementation paths.
VanillaLover
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The game is a lot unrealistic but it's supposed to be at least a "realistic shooter", meaning making things hard for you. I mean the gun mechanics don't have jams, degradation, recoil, damage stun, stamina, and ammo types for no reason.
I guess it was removed because it was causing some bugs while redressing.
SylvanaHellsing
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Why when I decide to read again what going on here, it's always a fucking drama? Geez... Are you ever tired?
HardcoreCuddler
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I'm not defending the devs by saying this, but you all have to grow up and realise that salaries aren't determined based on work put in.
Amount or quality of work doesn't fucking matter most of the time. What matters is negotiation and job positions in the case of employees, and marketing along with scumminess, uniqueness etc and quality when it comes to product owners.
In short, market value matters, and nothing else. It doesn't matter you or your mother's father's grapndpa works 10 8 hour shifts in half a week in fucking antarctica if the value of their work is tiny.
Eating shit while playing guitar on a skateboard may be hard as hell and quite shitty but that doesn't mean people should pay you well to do it.
Amount or quality of work doesn't fucking matter most of the time. What matters is negotiation and job positions in the case of employees, and marketing along with scumminess, uniqueness etc and quality when it comes to product owners.
In short, market value matters, and nothing else. It doesn't matter you or your mother's father's grapndpa works 10 8 hour shifts in half a week in fucking antarctica if the value of their work is tiny.
Eating shit while playing guitar on a skateboard may be hard as hell and quite shitty but that doesn't mean people should pay you well to do it.