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Game update posted. The v005e update now includes the missing twin scene. I named the update, v005eComplete. Links should be good. As always, old saves will not work.

Now back to Trent. Looks like (according to the poll) I am going to need some big-dicked gym bunny images (among others).

I don't think the entire v005f will release on Monday. I am not far enough along on the writing but I'll try to have something for you.

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I played the new update, was pretty hot and i love that could go bi or just gay with some dom and sub.
About the next don't worry to much just take the time you need to make a perfect game.
And about the poll is not so important for this but you forgot (or at least in my opinion) the opposite. You can be dominant and botton and submissive and top (or even versatile or don't even go for the penetration). Maybe is just my thing but sometimes letting the bottom be in charge and be more dominant makes it hotter for me.
 

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hmmm. Trying out the new update. It seems like if I pick Trent as my target in the opening, then no matter what option I pick right after, whether it's the cock or muscle or attitude, I still get the "bigger cock" scene. Is that programmed as intended?
 

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hmmm. Trying out the new update. It seems like if I pick Trent as my target in the opening, then no matter what option I pick right after, whether it's the cock or muscle or attitude, I still get the "bigger cock" scene. Is that programmed as intended?
Hello xoxo1001,

That is NOT what should happen. I cannot replicate the error you are reporting.

To be clear, on a fresh start (not using the link to view the new content) you:
1) Dream with HC and select Trent
2) You are at swim practice and select an option other than the first one (the cock one) but it still takes you to the page that begins with " He does not deserve to have a big cock. " ?

If I have it wrong let me know. Also, could you tell me the browser you are using?

Is anyone else having this error?

I don't have any good idea about why this is happening for your gameplay. So I'll just verify a few possible though highly unlikely problems:
1) Are you running the game in incognito mode? I think I read somewhere that this can stop Twine programs from running properly but I tried the game in incognito mode and I did not encounter the error you are reporting.
2) Is the game located in a protected folder? Try leaving the game in your downloads folder
3) Are you loading a saved game from a previous version of the game? Old saves won't work

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Hello xoxo1001,

That is NOT what should happen. I cannot replicate the error you are reporting.

To be clear, on a fresh start (not using the link to view the new content) you:
1) Dream with HC and select Trent
2) You are at swim practice and select an option other than the first one (the cock one) but it still takes you to the page that begins with " He does not deserve to have a big cock. " ?

If I have it wrong let me know. Also, could you tell me the browser you are using?

Is anyone else having this error?

I don't have any good idea about why this is happening for your gameplay. So I'll just verify a few possible though highly unlikely problems:
1) Are you running the game in incognito mode? I think I read somewhere that this can stop Twine programs from running properly but I tried the game in incognito mode and I did not encounter the error you are reporting.
2) Is the game located in a protected folder? Try leaving the game in your downloads folder
3) Are you loading a saved game from a previous version of the game? Old saves won't work

Unruly

I redownloaded a new copy and I cannot seem to replicate the problem myself either, so I must have done something wrong the first time around. :FacePalm:
 

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I redownloaded a new copy and I cannot seem to replicate the problem myself either, so I must have done something wrong the first time around. :FacePalm:
Excellent (because I had no idea why that would be happening)

I played the new update, was pretty hot and i love that could go bi or just gay with some dom and sub.
About the next don't worry to much just take the time you need to make a perfect game.
And about the poll is not so important for this but you forgot (or at least in my opinion) the opposite. You can be dominant and botton and submissive and top (or even versatile or don't even go for the penetration). Maybe is just my thing but sometimes letting the bottom be in charge and be more dominant makes it hotter for me.
Thank you for the feedback. Who doesn't love twins?!?

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I am going to skip the update this Monday and focus on giving you a complete update next Monday. I had a really good writing session last night that got me through a lot of the story part of the update. But even with that, this Monday would be VERY small. Next week you'll get the Trent ride to camp, Nym/Trent training, 3 Trent/MC sex encounters, the Trent/MC nonsexual afternoon, and both versions of the Grey-Trent training content (player as DOM and Trent SUB and a player as SUB and Trent as DOM).

Don't worry BG the survey is only part of the sexual options planned for the updates. There will be dominant bottoms AND submissive tops (depending on your past choices) in these updates.

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I confess I wasn't sure about this game when you first started but it's really shaped up well as times gone by. It's still got a lot of placeholder content but each update adds something meaningful to the game. As much as I've enjoyed it so far, I have felt that Jake's transformation content is a little lacklustre, especially compared to Trent's which is excellent.

With Trent, stealing an attribute once makes him about average and the 2nd below average. That's spot on, it feels like you've actually changed something about Trent each time you transform him, even if you choose the same transformation twice. Jake, on the other hand, seems to go straight to below average on the first transformation. It's especially noticeable if you steal his charisma since he goes straight from centre of attention to social outcast on the first transformation so he really doesn't have far to fall if you transform the same thing again. Maybe that's deliberate because Mateo is transforming too but I think it would work better if you halved the benefit the MC receives rather than doubling the cost to Jake. In fact, since Adam doesn't have that much room to improve in the stats he steals from Jake, it kind of works already (I'd argue he starts off unpopular rather than uncharismatic).

There's also a lot of overlap between Jake's charisma and perversion transformations. Currently, he gets ostracised from the group for being a pervert if you take his charisma. I think you could separate those two attributes better if Jake started to be ignored by his friends and started craving the attention of people more popular than himself (ie Adam and Mateo) if you took his charisma. I think you could also improve the perversion transformation if you reflavoured it as willpower/self-control so Adam could gain some ability to resist mind-controlling effects in exchange for Jake becoming more perverted through losing his inhibitions.

Personally, I'd drop the age and attractiveness aspects of Jake's transformations entirely. The MC can't get younger without becoming underage and awakening his powers already made him more attractive. Conversely, although you could make Jake older and uglier, there's not much scope for that in a porn game. As it is, you only see these transformations in text form anyway because the age and attractiveness in the gifs and images doesn't really change. I'd suggest just removing it from the text too and focusing on Jake becoming more perverted through that transformation chain.

Lastly, I've been really impressed by how you've made Trent become more relatable as he transforms hopefully we'll see some of that come through as the other bully storylines develop. That said, since Trent likes the MC now, we've really got no injustice to correct by transforming him. Assuming, we were never going to be able to fully transform the bullies (which I really like), that's not a problem but it does limit the ability of the MC to increase their stats which may or may not be.

Anyway, don't let my criticism in anyway detract from what I said about the game looking really good already. Keep up the good work!
 

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I confess I wasn't sure about this game when you first started but it's really shaped up well as times gone by. It's still got a lot of placeholder content but each update adds something meaningful to the game. As much as I've enjoyed it so far, I have felt that Jake's transformation content is a little lacklustre, especially compared to Trent's which is excellent.

With Trent, stealing an attribute once makes him about average and the 2nd below average. That's spot on, it feels like you've actually changed something about Trent each time you transform him, even if you choose the same transformation twice. Jake, on the other hand, seems to go straight to below average on the first transformation. It's especially noticeable if you steal his charisma since he goes straight from centre of attention to social outcast on the first transformation so he really doesn't have far to fall if you transform the same thing again. Maybe that's deliberate because Mateo is transforming too but I think it would work better if you halved the benefit the MC receives rather than doubling the cost to Jake. In fact, since Adam doesn't have that much room to improve in the stats he steals from Jake, it kind of works already (I'd argue he starts off unpopular rather than uncharismatic).

There's also a lot of overlap between Jake's charisma and perversion transformations. Currently, he gets ostracised from the group for being a pervert if you take his charisma. I think you could separate those two attributes better if Jake started to be ignored by his friends and started craving the attention of people more popular than himself (ie Adam and Mateo) if you took his charisma. I think you could also improve the perversion transformation if you reflavoured it as willpower/self-control so Adam could gain some ability to resist mind-controlling effects in exchange for Jake becoming more perverted through losing his inhibitions.

Personally, I'd drop the age and attractiveness aspects of Jake's transformations entirely. The MC can't get younger without becoming underage and awakening his powers already made him more attractive. Conversely, although you could make Jake older and uglier, there's not much scope for that in a porn game. As it is, you only see these transformations in text form anyway because the age and attractiveness in the gifs and images doesn't really change. I'd suggest just removing it from the text too and focusing on Jake becoming more perverted through that transformation chain.

Lastly, I've been really impressed by how you've made Trent become more relatable as he transforms hopefully we'll see some of that come through as the other bully storylines develop. That said, since Trent likes the MC now, we've really got no injustice to correct by transforming him. Assuming, we were never going to be able to fully transform the bullies (which I really like), that's not a problem but it does limit the ability of the MC to increase their stats which may or may not be.

Anyway, don't let my criticism in anyway detract from what I said about the game looking really good already. Keep up the good work!
Thank you very much for taking the time to write this. This is extremely helpful.

Okay, a lot to unpack here.
Placeholders: I plan to finish all the plot updates early/mid-December. And then I am going back and fill in content to the placeholders (study lounge, going for a run, going to class, and going to the gym will all have brief random encounters) and making some changes to chapter 1 content. The random encounters are intended to be very short. If you have played Whoremaker, I envision the random encounters to be like the client sex scenes (one or two pictures and three or four short paragraphs). The "Hookup" game will follow. I've changed my idea for hookup's and I'll share more once we get closer to that.

Jake: OMG you are a genius. The attractiveness and the age progression were sorta shoved in there with the perversion. The reason being, I couldn't figure out a good "opposite" to the perversion for the MC. Your idea of willpower is PERFECT. Now I have to rewrite some of those Jake passages but it will be worth it. I don't know if it will "save" the Jake plot but it will help.

Trent: Trent is becoming a better person because of his interactions with the MC. But Trent's views on relationship/sex/friendship are a bit skewed, so he is still very much a work in progress. But you are correct, we will not be taking attributes from the bullies three after chapter 1. The MC and his companions will need improved attributes and I have Chapter 2 plans for that.

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i agree on the change on looks because it was a little weird. Maybe an "easy" solution would be changing looks with something like style (less focus on physical but in the same direction) and for the willpower make it so that mc is the one stealing one of the 3 powers but matteo is talking too at the same time and he is the one stealing all his willpower(or share it with mc). That way jake story is kind of the same with changes in 1st and probably 3rd transformations.
About the training scenes, are we going to be able to play it all in the same gameplay? cause let's see it on ryder(since he has the 2 finished) the training is kind of the same so it would make sense just go with one per mentor but on the other hand in these trainings deshawn and the twins are learning about being companions so it would change (at least a little) their interactions with mc in the future.
And maybe you should put a placeholder for the 2 scenes with Tiff so you can be able to see how the scenes fit.
 

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i agree on the change on looks because it was a little weird. Maybe an "easy" solution would be changing looks with something like style (less focus on physical but in the same direction) and for the willpower make it so that mc is the one stealing one of the 3 powers but matteo is talking too at the same time and he is the one stealing all his willpower(or share it with mc). That way jake story is kind of the same with changes in 1st and probably 3rd transformations.
About the training scenes, are we going to be able to play it all in the same gameplay? cause let's see it on ryder(since he has the 2 finished) the training is kind of the same so it would make sense just go with one per mentor but on the other hand in these trainings deshawn and the twins are learning about being companions so it would change (at least a little) their interactions with mc in the future.
And maybe you should put a placeholder for the 2 scenes with Tiff so you can be able to see how the scenes fit.
When the v005 updates are finished, you will only be able to play one training session in chapter one in one gameplay. There are more training sessions possible in chapter 2 (it becomes a regular choice, planned for Saturdays) and, in addition to new content, I plan to reuse "chunks" from unselected scenes I wrote from these first training sessions. So in chapter 2, it will be possible to experience several additional training scenes, most with your main mentor but you'll get to have at least one session each with the other mentors.

Deshawn and the twins learn about being companions if selected for training (I'd argue that on some level the twins already know something is up) but all companions will find out early in chapter 2, so who finds out earlier is not going to be a big continuity deal.

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I haven't played much past the introduction, as to not spoil the story, but so far it has been great!!!!
Really enjoyed my time with it, and always nice to see more high quality M/M content on this site!
Keep up the great work :love::love:
 
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I haven't played much past the introduction, as to not spoil the story, but so far it has been great!!!!
Really enjoyed my time with it, and always nice to see more high quality M/M content on this site!
Keep up the great work :love::love:
Thanks Ryan. I am glad you posted. It has been fun working on the game. The best part has been the support, feedback, and suggestions I have gotten from the players.

Or maybe the best part has been sifting through mountains of porn to find hot images. Don't make me choose.

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You keep talking about "companions", can I get you to reveal a bit more what you mean by that? Are we going to be going on an RPG-like adventure with them, or are they just there to help with training? Are we going to have to restrict ourselves to only having a few in "our party", or, will we for example be able to have both Deshawn + Liam, Ryder + Grey?
Also going off of that, right now we're having sex with everyone - do you plan on adding in a romance option for the closing chapters?
 

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You keep talking about "companions", can I get you to reveal a bit more what you mean by that? Are we going to be going on an RPG-like adventure with them, or are they just there to help with training? Are we going to have to restrict ourselves to only having a few in "our party", or, will we for example be able to have both Deshawn + Liam, Ryder + Grey?
Also going off of that, right now we're having sex with everyone - do you plan on adding in a romance option for the closing chapters?
Thanks for the post. Great question. In the night time Q&A with HC, he describes what is meant by companions:
"Think back to the legends you know about demigods; when they performed their heroic feats, they usually had companions that accompanied them. It is not accidental. To help you accomplish what destiny needs you to accomplish, Fate will provide you with companions. They will be inexplicably drawn to you and you to them. It will not always be a sexual attraction, although that is more common than described in mythology. Your fate is not yours alone; there are others whose destinies are intertwined with yours. "

But I suspect you are asking for more of a gameplay significance (fair enough). In chapter one, the main plot was transforming your bullies, meeting important side characters, learning some lore, getting hints about enemies, having hot sticky butt sex, selecting your mentor, and beginning your training. In chapter two, the main plot is about you preparing to deal with and confronting (or being ambushed by) the threats hinted at in chapter one. You do not have to face these threats alone, you can elect to bring some companions along. There will be a list of companions to choose from for each encounter (so you cannot bring all/any companion on every mission). Additionally, certain companions will not be available for certain encounters if your relationship with them is not strong enough.

Possible companions: Joel, Andrew, Deshawn, Mateo, Liam, Paul, Ryder, Nym, Grey, Trent, Jake, and Tiffany

The arc of dealing with a threat will generally take the following format: 1) Debrief with HC or Ryder about threat - pick companions, 2) Training sessions / acquiring attributes needed for the mission, 3) Actual confrontation (multiple decisions), and 4) Fallout based on success/failure.

Also in chapter 2, you can "romance" certain characters. Some characters will be open to a relationship that is more than just occasional sex. Romanceable characters are not just your companions. They include Joel, Andrew, Deshawn (w/o Alejandro), Liam, Paul, Liam and Paul, Grey, Ryder, Trent, Jake, Tiffany, Vadim, Dominic and Slam, Victor and Star, Erik and/or Sten. Some characters will want an exclusive relationship while others will be fine with an open relationship. Most romance storylines will begin in the "Hookup" daily loop choice. If you hook up with a character (once or several times) and it goes well, there will be the option to pursue something more. Like failing in a threat mission, there will be consequences/benefits to your romance choices.

Hope this clears things up a bit.

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Also in chapter 2, you can "romance" certain characters. Some characters will be open to a relationship that is more than just occasional sex. Romanceable characters are not just your companions. They include Joel, Andrew, Deshawn (w/o Alejandro), Liam, Paul, Liam and Paul, Grey, Ryder, Trent, Jake, Tiffany, Vadim, Dominic and Slam, Victor and Star, Erik and/or Sten. Some characters will want an exclusive relationship while others will be fine with an open relationship. Most romance storylines will begin in the "Hookup" daily loop choice. If you hook up with a character (once or several times) and it goes well, there will be the option to pursue something more. Like failing in a threat mission, there will be consequences/benefits to your romance choices.

Hope this clears things up a bit.

Unruly
I hope you don't drown in this ocean of relationships. You mentioned it once before, but the scale was more modest then. Will there be duels and scenes of jealousy? Something like: "If I see you with Drew again, I'll rip your ass into four pieces and feed it to him until he chokes".
In the meantime they are happy to accept any sin as possessed :devilish:
 
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I hope you don't drown in this ocean of relationships. You mentioned it once before, but the scale was more modest then. Will there be duels and scenes of jealousy? Something like: "If I see you with Drew again, I'll rip your ass into four pieces and feed it to him until he chokes".
In the meantime they are happy to accept any sin as possessed :devilish:
Ha! It is a lot of romances to build out, but I will only develop two or three of the relationships while working through the plot. Once the main story is finished I can continue to build out relationships.

I don’t plan on duels but relationships can get messy.

We still need to finish chapter one.

Speaking of which...
The update next week will be on Thursday instead on Monday.

Sorry for delays.
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So I hate using players as testers BUT I am trying to make the game available for online play. I was hoping a few people could test out the links and see if they come across any problems. I have tried a few devices and it seems to work but would love a few more eyes on it. No need to do a deep dive. Just check that the pages load and look formatted correctly. I have noticed the images are sluggish to load.



Like this post, if it worked for you. (Or this could be a trick to get more likes)

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* There will always be a download version *
 
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So I hate using players as testers BUT I am trying to make my game available for online play, so you don't have to download. I was hoping a few people could out the links and see they come across any problems. I have tried a few devices and it seems to work but would love a few more eyes on it. No need to do a deep dive. Just check that the pages load and look formatted correctly. I have noticed the images are sluggish to load.



Like this post if it worked for you. (Oh this could be a trick to get more likes)

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Works just fine, a little slower to load the images (as you said). I hope you'll continue to have it downloadable too, as I know some people prefer that. Also, noticed a typo!

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