HentaiKami

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They're not telling you how to make your game, they're telling you they didn't like the ending and that it sucked. If you don't like that? Grow thicker skin? Get drunk? Smoke some weed?
While they were criticising the game's ending, they didn't do it very constructive manner. Which then caused the dev to respond in that way, since it wasn't the only one that was pretty unconstructive in it's criticism. It made the criticism sound more like "do the ending this way" demand than constructive criticism. Now i agree the ending wasn't great, though it wasn't that bad either, and there's plenty of there that could have been better. But how you word these things are important in how you get your point across. Best constructive criticism gives valid points on what was good and what didn't work and why, without coming across as something that makes the creator feel like they are attacked.

Also just telling someone to grow thicker skin, after they feel like they've received unfair treatment doesn't work. It's like saying to kid that is bullied in school, to just ignore/tolerate their bullies and what the do. I'm not saying that the dev feels all criticism is unfair, it's obvious they don't. But comments that just say the ending sucked, when dev has spent hours upon hours to create their product, will feel unfair attacks.

In worst case that kind of behaviour from the so called critics can lead devs even stopping their projects and never publishing anything again. I've seen it happen multiple times on this forum, where people bitching, not giving good criticism, about something they didn't like basically bully developer into leaving. And we all lose in those scenarios. Now i know there's people who say you can't be bullied online, but you can, it's when people basically drive others away from forums/sites with their constant negative comments.
 

Raizen84

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How can it be called the end of the harem if the MC almost dies lol. I thought the MC would keep all the milfs he had fucked and marry them and get them pregnant in addition to the young girls XD. There was a milf missing that showed up and introduced us to Freya. I think the developer made a mistake with the shooting thing lol

It was supposed to be a happy ending (with an orgy):love:
 

Seacth

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How could you say something like this and think it was acceptable?

This is the type of comment that you deserve to have follow you around for the rest of your career. People should never forget your disdain for those of us who dare to criticize your work.

The very moment you share something with the world, it is open to criticism. You are not above that. No one is.

Man I am glad I never played this game, wasn't following the progress of it, wasn't one of the people supporting you financially month after month.
I sure hope it does, 'cause that is the guy leaked my project and said I should rework this 'shit' ending. I have nothing against people who hate the ending or call it bad, that just means they cared about this project enough to feel bad about it but calling it a shit ending and asking for it to be reworked is not criticism. I don't think anyone needs the support of that kind of guy.
 

Seacth

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They're not telling you how to make your game, they're telling you they didn't like the ending and that it sucked. If you don't like that? Grow thicker skin? Get drunk? Smoke some weed?
I guess I have to remind you that this forum is how a lot/most people find games to play AND support. No one is giving their money away to find out if a game is worth supporting or not, they usually play it first in sites like this, so you dismissing most the people here as freeloaders whose opinion doesn't matter isn't doing you any favors, you are not making that much to have thay diva attitude here.

Second, even if there's a level of subjectivity involved in most works, there's objectively a lot of things wrong with the ending that you have admitted willingly and even unconsciously. Like the fact that it was extremely rushed and with no set up, like usually a good unexpected plot twist would have you going "woah" with an open mouth and have you questioning how you missed the subtle hints and such, but this one just makes you tilt your head in confusion at how stupid it is, because you cant just pull one of these plots out of your ass without setting it up and just expect people to go, yeah that makes sense, thats good, here's you btw:

"Yes, I accept that Sarah's mother's involvement in the story is a bit rushed, and I blame myself for that. I thought of adding more lines for her during the early parts of the game, but I didn't plan ahead very well, and I accept the problem that brings."
So it is rushed as fuck

Not to mention you admitted to just wanting to force it into the story for some shock value, thats why it feels totally out of nowhere and not earned. It is objectively bad because it goes against what good storytelling is and only looks for shock, rage, just something cheap to surprise the player, like you, yourself said, and was even proud about it:

" I wanted to break the cycle of MC meeting a girl and fucking them after some conversation with a surprise twist. It was meant to be abrupt and unexpected so it can be impactful and seeing all the rage about it, I think it's done its job pretty well. "

If you want something like this, better set it up, otherwise, as I said before, just have a black guy appear suddenly with a 2 meters penis and cuck the MC, that's going to be unexpected as well and would make as much sense as what's in the game.


Lastly I am not surprised to read this:

You deem all negative feedback as people trying to "tell you how to make your own game"
And even says it's a mistake to listen to feedback and lord forgive me, actually changing something lol. So if something is bad you won't change it because, apparently, it is bad to listen to lowly inferior beings who dont make porn games, and you'll just keep it as is because :LUL: you are the dev, and somehow you and everyone loses if you change it and make the story better.

That's why I told you before that you are giving off the impression of someone who thinks their shit doesn't smell, and even if thats you, you at least need to pretend to not be when trying to have people pay you for shit.

But anyway, I've seen enough, good luck with whatever other projects you have.
I know this game is not perfect, I've said that many times. You're not proving anything by quoting my words, like I said I'm my own harshest critic but the thing you don't understand is calling the ending 'shit' and asking for it to be reworked is not criticism or leaking the game just a day before the public release is not supporting it.

I'm aware of the fact that I could've done a better job on the ending, and I respect all the people who don't like it, but I wanted to try something new for the ending and I did. Is it a good one? For some yes, for others no. Now tell me who should I listen to? People who liked the ending or the ones who hated it?
 
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Vax Morale

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I know this game is not perfect, I've said that many times. You're not proving anything by quoting my words, like I said I'm my own harshest critic but the thing you don't understand is calling the ending 'shit' and asking for it to be reworked is not criticism or leaking the game just a day before the public release is not supporting it.

I'm aware of the fact that I could've done a better job on the ending, and I respect all the people who don't like it, but I wanted to try something new for the ending and I did. Is it a good one? For some yes, for others no. Now tell me who should I listen to? People who liked the ending or the ones who hated it?
You don't have to do anything but seething in the thread and liking comments calling people crybabies really isn't the move
 

Leo D. Marstone

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Saw the game by chance on the update page and I never heard of it before.

So first of, congratz on finishing your game Seacth

Just looking at the promo pics and tags I know that this game is right my alley.
Pregnancy tag with actual pregnancy content and not just impregnation only in disguise? Sign me up!

Now.....reading the last few pages was a wild ride. Ngl.
Amidst all the noise and actually constructive feedback given, the main pressure point of the ending, at least how I interpret it, is that by putting the MC in a coma through a gun shot to his head, on his wedding day and timeskip some months ahead, virtually removed any chance of some wholesome and lovey dovey scenes that rounded the wedding up in a nice package.
Removing Serena that way was never the issue here. (Was it her correct name?)

Are there scenes that made up for it after the MC wakes up from coma or does it actually just ends there with him waking up and the image only in which the girls are holding their babys?

Just from a dude that never played the game and literally learned of the existence of the game today....I do believe that the ending would have most likely be recepted on a more positive note if the gun shot happened a day or two after the wedding and not during it. This way you could have had the best of both worlds. A nice wedding for the MC and players that care for it and a sudden twist with a bang (pun intended) right at the end.
People would be still flabbergasted but without the bad aftertaste of a ruined wedding but what do I know :KEK:

Anyway, let me go grab my version from itch.io, throw you some bucks for a finished product and let me see for myself if the ending really sucked balls after seeing the context for myself.
It can't be that bad like the ending of FFVIIR that actually destroyed my whole experience with the game up to this point right? xD


For real though. Fuck the ending of the Remake of FFVII and inclusion of different timelines.
 
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Seacth

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Saw the game by chance on the update page and I never heard of it before.

So first of, congratz on finishing your game Seacth

Just looking at the promo pics and tags I know that this game is right my alley.
Pregnancy tag with actual pregnancy content and not just impregnation only in disguise? Sign me up!

Now.....reading the last few pages was a wild ride. Ngl.
Amidst all the noise and actually constructive feedback given, the main pressure point of the ending, at least how I interpret it, is that by putting the MC in a coma through a gun shot to his head, on his wedding day and timeskip some months ahead, virtually removed any chance of some wholesome and lovey dovey scenes that rounded the wedding up in a nice package.
Removing Serena that way was never the issue here. (Was it her correct name?)

Are there scenes that made up for it after the MC wakes up from coma or does it actually just ends there with him waking up and the image only in which the girls are holding their babys?

Just from a dude that never played the game and literally learned of the existence of the game today....I do believe that the ending would have most likely be recepted on a more positive note if the gun shot happened a day or two after the wedding and not during it. This way you could have had the best of both worlds. A nice wedding for the MC and players that care for it and a sudden twist with a bang (pun intended) right at the end.
People would be still flabbergasted but without the bad aftertaste of a ruined wedding but what do I know :KEK:

Anyway, let me go grab my version from itch.io and let me see for myself if the ending really sucked balls after seeing the context for myself.
It can't be that bad like the ending of FFVIIR that actually destroyed my whole experience with the game up to this point right? xD


For real though. Fuck the ending of the Remake of FFVII and inclusion of different timelines.
After the coma we have a couple of scenes where MC reunites with his girls, they talk, cry, laugh and discuss what happened. He has a couple of visitors and has sex with them, and then we move on to the scene with the girls holding their babies and welcoming him. You're right about the abruptness of the ending, it doesn't have enough of a buildup, but it's not like there are no indicators about it.

At some point, Sarah wants to talk to her parents about the new life she's living, but they forget about it and ignore it like it's not an important thing, and then it's too late 'cause Sarah's absence destroyed her family which in return drive her mother crazy.

Sarah's mother acts unstable at all times. She's first mad about the wedding then she agrees to it, then she says she never drinks but chugs a full bottle of wine. She fucks MC but then shoots him in the head, I've done all this shit to show that she's not a stable woman and after the shooting Mary comments her being locked up in mental hospital not jail, because she's a crazy bitch and she can't be trusted.

Couldn't I have done a better job at it? Of course, I can always be better, but I had to make a release, so I had to stop at some point and release it.
 

KingSet

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I downloaded the update first and then read the thread. And figured may as well play it against my better judgment. It's not just the MC getting shot, the whole wedding was lackluster. Half the girls didn't even have a proper wedding outfit, and the whole event was ruined by Sarah's mother bitching the entire time. Cool sex scene afterwards for those that just wanna coooom, but doesn't make up for how shitty the overall event feels for the rest of us. Way to kill the mood at the very end after a fun journey

I now regret recommending the game to other people in the past
 

netcov

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Hey Seacth !
First off congrats on finishing your project!
I just finished Depths Revival and it's definitely a game that suprises in many positive ways. I looked up the discussion here with people complaining about Serena's disappereance. While it saddens me as well I'd like to know if you have any plans for a sequel of this setting (talking about the last lines of Lera saying Serana, I guess it would be MC's daughter, disappeared). I like how the big harem ending comes with 'happiness at a high cost'. It does subvert the usual expectations of the genre quite well and I think your desired impact has been delivered quite well.

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Finally I hope you have any more interesting game ideas / plotlines you might explore with future games and wish you the best!
 
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Just played the update for harem finale,I have to say the ending is acceptable.Although I have to admit the gun shot scene is a little surprise for players,but it did provide a reason for Serena to leave MC.Just like the Japanese Manga Parasitic Beasts(寄生獣),MIGI leaves Shinichi Izumi for him to start a new life.It seems MC named Lera's daughter after Serena,now I am wondering the sequel stories.
 
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Raizen84

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I think that if you wanted the shooting to happen towards the MC, it shouldn't have been Sarah's mother who shot her, she should have joined the harem without so many emotional problems XD, it would have been Sarah's father who should have shot the MC before the wedding and with the excuse that he was the one who ruined his family by taking both his daughter and his wife, since one knew that he was a jerk.

Serena should have disappeared not when the MC was in a coma but rather after the birth of the MC's sons and daughters with whom they were already pregnant at this time.

The milf that was missing is Toni's mother who was in the Harem and as a wife of the MC along with Freya, Cindy and Martha.
 
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