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You're probably thinking about the piss drinking scene with Asha in one of the first scenes in the game when Zaton get's ambushed by Asha's bandit raiding party.

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She's such a good girl for drinking it all up.
 
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You're probably thinking about the piss drinking scene with Asha in one of the first scenes in the game when Zaton get's ambushed by Asha's bandit raiding party.

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Yep, that's the one I was thinking of. It's the only time I can specifically recall urine coming up. I THINK you get another option with her much later, at the raider camp if you have fun with her sister and she joins you after. When her sister is on the table, having a victory bang with you, and she bursts in thinking her sister is being attacked. I think in that scene you get another option to do it. Can't recall exactly since that's not my kink, so I avoid it. But I vaguely recall it being an option if you put her on her knees or something.
 
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I don't see the Queen as a sadist.

I see her as an immature ruler who has few 'good' mentors to help her lead a society beset on all sides by danger.

Over the top punishments in your eyes, and by current RL standards of crime and 'appropriate' punishment, are Not the standards used in that part of the world, post apocalypse.

In RL medieval history, a harsh punishment - drawing and quartering someone - was deemed 'reasonable' for those times.

Royalty used it for addressing treason and - add in hanging first, then drawing and quartering - to set the boundaries of acceptable behavior so their society clearly understood what was acceptable and what was not.

There is a difference between a sadist and being ruthless.

IMO - the queen is being ruthless because she feels like this is the only way forward.

I see the MC and Shani as having the ability to not just have sexy time with the queen but to give her valued counselors who are not going to try to dethrone her.

IMO - as the queen grows more comfortable and secure in the support of the MC and Shani (And her kingdom becomes more secure), she can afford to be more lenient in terms of the punishment of many crimes.

We'll have to see more of the story to see if this proves to be true/how this plays out.

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I agree with everything you posted but one thing. I do think the queen is a bit of a sadist but I think it's born out of her frustration at despite being a queen she feels largely powerless and trapped by traditions those that are using her and actually rule like the priesthood etc.
When she punishes criminals she has true power. Power over life and death. She is finally in control of something. I'm not saying it's healthy but I think you're right about Zaton and Shani's influence.
Even more we potentially see Zaton becoming more and more prominent politically and if he's a supporter of the queen as a powerful warlord...well things could change quite dramatically in a positive way for her in the future.
 

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Power over life and death. She is finally in control of something. I'm not saying it's healthy but I think you're right about Zaton and Shani's influence
Yeah, that's a good point. The Queen kind of wants to relish that power of what being in control would feel like. Especially since she's been kinda sheltered most of her adolescent life and the priests were kinda holding a lot over her head in terms of expectations and whatnot.

So now the Queen's kinda like a 'kid lost in a candy store' doesn't know what she wants and is just looking to try out and experiment with everything. For better or for worse. That's why she needs some structure and guidance along the way, which is where Zaton the MC plays a role in that father-figure mentality that she's particularly craving.

This could also explain why Merneith envies Shani a bit as Shani can be so close to Zaton and probably fantasizes about what it would feel like to live with Zaton as another one of his daughters, as she is (presumably) around the same age as Shani.
 

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I agree with everything you posted but one thing. I do think the queen is a bit of a sadist but I think it's born out of her frustration at despite being a queen she feels largely powerless and trapped by traditions those that are using her and actually rule like the priesthood etc.
When she punishes criminals she has true power. Power over life and death. She is finally in control of something. I'm not saying it's healthy but I think you're right about Zaton and Shani's influence.
Even more we potentially see Zaton becoming more and more prominent politically and if he's a supporter of the queen as a powerful warlord...well things could change quite dramatically in a positive way for her in the future.
Sadism is often transitional. Many teenagers are sadistic as fuck, but that's because they are learning to experience those emotions, they are getting to know themselves. As they gain experience and their frontal lobe developes (it can complete its development at 23 years or even more, in boys) those tendencies usually disappear. Living secluded or very strict early lives delays the development so I have no reason to not believe that the queen is a sadist, right now. But I think it's a phase, stupid as it sounds.

If you think about that, probably many of you will remember a time when you enjoyed imagining torture or similar to others, maybe once or twice, when younger. Now imagine that you were a monarch with absolute power, back then. What would you have done?
 

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Sadism is often transitional. Many teenagers are sadistic as fuck, but that's because they are learning to experience those emotions, they are getting to know themselves. As they gain experience and their frontal lobe developes (it can complete its development at 23 years or even more, in boys) those tendencies usually disappear. Living secluded or very strict early lives delays the development so I have no reason to not believe that the queen is a sadist, right now. But I think it's a phase, stupid as it sounds.

If you think about that, probably many of you will remember a time when you enjoyed imagining torture or similar to others, maybe once or twice, when younger. Now imagine that you were a monarch with absolute power, back then. What would you have done?
Well damn. I'm glad I missed that phase. I've always felt guilty after I hurt someone even just another kid who was an asshole I got into a fight with.
My power fantasies were always about being a rockstar that chicks clamored for.
 

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No telling if the dev has put that much thought into it. It honestly wouldn't surprise me if he has, though. He seems to have put thought into the story line so far.

There is the potential for Zaton to be a guiding influence on the Queen. On the other hand, his influence may attract the attention of the court, forcing the queen to turn on him. She has already voiced her suspicions about people manipulating her for their own purpose. It might not take much for her to turn that paranoia on Zaton.
You are probably right but good writers have good understanding of people. That's why they are good writers. Even if he doesn't have the information, he probably understands that sadism can be associated to youth. He makes Zaton say something similar: "She is exploring the limits of her power" or something like that. He may not know the exact data but he understands that teens are freaking dangerous because they still didn't have time to know their limits, their real desires remain unknown for themselves, they keep clumsily walking in the dark. And they tend to hurt people in the process. That's why highschools can be like hell on earth.

I don't think She is gonna turn on zaton. It could happen, but Zaton would have to be very clumsy. In reality, I think she is more immature than Shani (that secluded life). She has been forced to mature intellectually, but her emotions haven't developed equally. We are being told once and again how easy she is to manipulate. By her guards, by her priests and by Zaton. At the end of the last update Zaton has her in his fist. He just had to show care. Interest in her. And that's all. That girl is incredibly needy.
 

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There is the potential for Zaton to be a guiding influence on the Queen. On the other hand, his influence may attract the attention of the court, forcing the queen to turn on him. She has already voiced her suspicions about people manipulating her for their own purpose. It might not take much for her to turn that paranoia on Zaton.
You think that her disliking the bureaucrats using her and being suspicious of them makes her more likely to fall for them tricking her into turning on the one guy who actually cares about her and isn't trying to get anything from her (except her body)? That's a pretty hot take. I can certainly see them trying to do that, but I really can't see it working.
 

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You are probably right but good writers have good understanding of people. That's why they are good writers. Even if he doesn't have the information, he probably understands that sadism can be associated to youth. He makes Zaton say something similar: "She is exploring the limits of her power" or something like that. He may not know the exact data but he understands that teens are freaking dangerous because they still didn't have time to know their limits, their real desires remain unknown for themselves, they keep clumsily walking in the dark. And they tend to hurt people in the process. That's why highschools can be like hell on earth.

I don't think She is gonna turn on zaton. It could happen, but Zaton would have to be very clumsy. In reality, I think she is more immature than Shani (that secluded life). She has been forced to mature intellectually, but her emotions haven't developed equally. We are being told once and again how easy she is to manipulate. By her guards, by her priests and by Zaton. At the end of the last update Zaton has her in his fist. He just had to show care. Interest in her. And that's all. That girl is incredibly needy.
So what I'm reading on that second part is she has serious daddy issues and since being a stripper is obviously out she'll have to settle for some sexual healing from Big Daddy Z's magic dong? I agree!
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The one thing I see that could make her turn on him is an attack on her self image. Her vanity & upbringing makes her extremely concerned with public perception. She has publically allowed Zaton to have sex with an on duty palace guard, no longer holds him to a standard of deferrance & submission, & spends time alone with him in her quarters. Should the elders start telling her that "others" are questioning these liberties as a sign of weakness...
Tell us how that plays out. Would that not be a 'game over' situation?
 
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