Dylan741

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Can't fucking leave well enough alone can they? :FacePalm:
Weell.... I wouldn't be opposed to NTR in the game, as long as Zaton can find and cut the balls and ears of anyone who tried to fuck his wife or the other girls in his harem ... I wouldn't mind putting some decorations along the walls of the house, they seem a little bare to me....:whistle::whistle:
 

Yngling

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what has the world come to, indeed...
daughters that look a lot like their mother... the absurdity, really! how dare they!
Everybody knows that if you have three daughters, one must be blonde, one brunette and one redhead!

In this case there are sadly just two daughters (the dev obviously can't count) so then the mom must be the redhead!

We demand immediate correction of all previous renders!

- signed, the porn diversity police
 

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Love the realistic patriarchy here in this game. By realistic patriarchy, I mean male dominance is accepted and just taken as fact, but the women are realistically hurt by it and chafes against it, yet still just takes it as just the way the world works. The main character is also a supporter and enforcer of this type of society. Are there any other games that celebrates patriarchy this realistically?
 

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Love the realistic patriarchy here in this game. By realistic patriarchy, I mean male dominance is accepted and just taken as fact, but the women are realistically hurt by it and chafes against it, yet still just takes it as just the way the world works. The main character is also a supporter and enforcer of this type of society. Are there any other games that celebrates patriarchy this realistically?
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But yes, I do like how sex is not a shameful thing here, and also that there are rules of the society that doesn't allow for complete anarchy to reign. Well, unless you're out in the wasteland. No rules out there other than might makes right.
 

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But yes, I do like how sex is not a shameful thing here, and also that there are rules of the society that doesn't allow for complete anarchy to reign. Well, unless you're out in the wasteland. No rules out there other than might makes right.
Yeah, that's a good way of putting it, to me it's more about the way that consent is totally disregarded and the only thing that matters is what the guy wants.
 

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Yeah, that's a good way of putting it, to me it's more about the way that consent is totally disregarded and the only thing that matters is what the guy wants.
Yes, although it isn't really patriarchy per se. We've had the Queen as well as the raider girls and the mutant girls in charge of their respective clans. It's just a matter of who is individually strong enough to take the lead. Fortunately, we have an MC (male) who is not a pushover and is powerful enough to take what he wants. If he were a wimp, constantly getting walked on, then I probably wouldn't like the game as much. The game presents a good balance between a strong male lead and various strong female characters so it doesn't get boring. Also, having strong females makes conquering them all the more satisfying.
 

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Weell.... I wouldn't be opposed to NTR in the game, as long as Zaton can find and cut the balls and ears of anyone who tried to fuck his wife or the other girls in his harem ... I wouldn't mind putting some decorations along the walls of the house, they seem a little bare to me....:whistle::whistle:
I wish there was a couple more tags for NTR because that alone does not really describe a lot of the different scenarios. Would banging Nadia not be considered NTR? Also looks like your sister in law may make an appearance eventually. If you look at tags there is a lot of variety for say BDSM. You get both male/female dom as separate tags, along with spanking and humiliation.
 

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I wish there was a couple more tags for NTR because that alone does not really describe a lot of the different scenarios. Would banging Nadia not be considered NTR? Also looks like your sister in law may make an appearance eventually. If you look at tags there is a lot of variety for say BDSM. You get both male/female dom as separate tags, along with spanking and humiliation.
Banging them would netori or cheating respectively. There are probably 50+ threads discussing the ntr tag and the problems with it and that doesn't count the limitless vn threads that have pages of arguments about that tag.

I'm at the point I really want a netori tag, as the mc stealing women from others is one of my favorite things, and a cuckquean tag but I'm not holding my breath for change.
 
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I wish there was a couple more tags for NTR because that alone does not really describe a lot of the different scenarios. Would banging Nadia not be considered NTR? Also looks like your sister in law may make an appearance eventually. If you look at tags there is a lot of variety for say BDSM. You get both male/female dom as separate tags, along with spanking and humiliation.
Well Spfjolietjake already answered for me, but what you said is a problem that lies in what the site define as NTR and what not and also about the use of tags to try to tell users what they will find in a game to decide if it's of their liking or not.
In my super ultra humble and non important opinion is an impossible task, because:
1 A tag is more like a macro that can try to define a general aspect of a fetish but can't comprehend everything ( that's because a single fetish has so widely different expression under a single definition) that it will be impossible to define correctly every single one of said fetish;
2 to be more specific you named a few let's take BDSMas an example: BDSM is a variety of often practices or involving , , , , and other related interpersonal dynamics;
2b: as you can already see this is the bigger definition, it's like an umbrella it cover everything but not in details, if we were to cover every aspects of every singles things in specific terms or tags we should create an infinite number of them and that would be a problem.
3 Why? Even in the remote possibility of being able to do that we would remain with the problem that not always said tags can define the entirety of the content.
4 Why? Because every users ( devs and moderators as well) here have their own knowledge/understanding of the argument and that (more frequently than not) don't match with the result of infinite discussions ( more or less heated) that spread in a large number of pages in the thread.
To summarize, tags are more of a let's say advertisement of what you can possibly find in a game not what you will find in it they need to be generic yet as correct as possible ( utopian, I know) .
But you need to see for yourself and decide if the game content is to your liking or not, and if not express your opinion on that in the more civil and respectful way to see if the dev can improve the aspect you don't see in the content.
I don't know if i was able to explain what I mean, but that's how I see why tags not always can work and how is difficult to define every aspect of a game in a manner that can be useful to the user to find a game that he/she will like to play. :)
 

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Well Spfjolietjake already answered for me, but what you said is a problem that lies in what the site define as NTR and what not and also about the use of tags to try to tell users what they will find in a game to decide if it's of their liking or not.
In my super ultra humble and non important opinion is an impossible task, because:
1 A tag is more like a macro that can try to define a general aspect of a fetish but can't comprehend everything ( that's because a single fetish has so widely different expression under a single definition) that it will be impossible to define correctly every single one of said fetish;
2 to be more specific you named a few let's take BDSMas an example: BDSM is a variety of often practices or involving , , , , and other related interpersonal dynamics;
2b: as you can already see this is the bigger definition, it's like an umbrella it cover everything but not in details, if we were to cover every aspects of every singles things in specific terms or tags we should create an infinite number of them and that would be a problem.
3 Why? Even in the remote possibility of being able to do that we would remain with the problem that not always said tags can define the entirety of the content.
4 Why? Because every users ( devs and moderators as well) here have their own knowledge/understanding of the argument and that (more frequently than not) don't match with the result of infinite discussions ( more or less heated) that spread in a large number of pages in the thread.
To summarize, tags are more of a let's say advertisement of what you can possibly find in a game not what you will find in it they need to be generic yet as correct as possible ( utopian, I know) .
But you need to see for yourself and decide if the game content is to your liking or not, and if not express your opinion on that in the more civil and respectful way to see if the dev can improve the aspect you don't see in the content.
I don't know if i was able to explain what I mean, but that's how I see why tags not always can work and how is difficult to define every aspect of a game in a manner that can be useful to the user to find a game that he/she will like to play. :)
Very nicely put. Respect
 
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Daaaaaamn. I knew this game was going to be good but FUCK! This was a true delight to play. Maybe my favorite and I've played all acclaimed titles. Well done Dev, godspeed on those updates.
 
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i got error in last update 0.09b android port

Code:
I'm sorry, but an uncaught exception occurred.

While running game code:
  File "game/scripts/day9.rpy", line 1379, in <module>
NameError: name 'dissolvere' is not defined

-- Full Traceback ------------------------------------------------------------

Full traceback:
  File "scripts/day9.rpyc", line 1379, in script
  File "renpy/ast.py", line 1436, in execute
  File "renpy/python.py", line 2276, in py_eval
  File "renpy/python.py", line 2269, in py_eval_bytecode
  File "game/scripts/day9.rpy", line 1379, in <module>
NameError: name 'dissolvere' is not defined
 
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this is probably one of the better, maybe the only succesful attempt to create an edgy "sci fy" game world. with an OP mc in it.
 

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Yes, although it isn't really patriarchy per se. We've had the Queen as well as the raider girls and the mutant girls in charge of their respective clans. It's just a matter of who is individually strong enough to take the lead.

A patriarchy or matriarchy isn't determined by whether the monarch, president, prime minister
is a boy or a girl but by the social structure of a society. The state, represented in this game by Queen Merneith, merely upholds the political, economic and social structures of existing society.
An example of how men are socially dominant in Zeta is the fact that your wife apologises for "speaking out of turn" when the MC raises his voice at her during an argument. Women are supposed to be submissive to men, at least in relationships.
In Zeta women clearly do not share equal status with men. Nor is the sexual division of labour equal, women take part in harems with men; female priests are used as incubators by men; women can be prostituted to reduce their sentences, and your wife is expected to perform the domestic tasks. What makes the slavic girl seem useful to the household in the writers' and the MC's mind is that she can cook better meals for the MC than the wife, there's a whole scene dedicated to this aspect. That women are traditionally expected to perform all the household chores is established when you meet your wife's sister. The harem wouldn't exist without the patriarchal nature of this society (nor this porn game). Even one of your daughters is expected to be part of the harem and sleep with you. The only reason the MC doesn't sleep with his eldest is because she's inherited his role as Stalker, and he doesn't want her to die or whatever. If this is what it's like in a Stalker's household what is it like for women in normal households?

You can see in this thread alone that players consider the possibility of your wife having sex with others to be humiliating. Yet the MC is free to do so at his whim without question. Men are polygamous, while we haven't seen any polygamous women except the Queen - who, by the way, has to do so in secret. I find it odd that she happens to enjoy gay sexual relations, yet she's attracted to the MC. You'd think male concubines might exist, but this game is geared towards straight men, hence the need for Zeta's apparent patriarchical social relations.




I don't know where you get the idea that because some women are strong that this is a blow against the argument that the civilization is patriarchal. The point in a women being "strong" in feminist literature terms means that the character is well-written, treated as a person by the writer - not that she's a Marvel Mary Sue or individually has some kind of power over men.

Fortunately, we have an MC (male) who is not a pushover and is powerful enough to take what he wants. If he were a wimp, constantly getting walked on, then I probably wouldn't like the game as much.
You mean like Rabiah's husband, who's written blatantly as the internet dubbed soyboy or beta male (with a noted weak handshake what a wimpy baby), contrasted with our strong, hypermasculine alpha-male MC who'll try to fuck his wife, and (optionally) possessively grope his own in front of him lol?
 
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