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@Finsit First of all Ty for the answer. My suggestion was only a suggestion, maybe there are other ways to help Player's What is the next step to do in order to advance the history, I saw every message at the phone don't worry about that. I played a few (over 30) games here whith chaotic plots, just Cliking everywhere at different times and wait for the next event to trigger. After your answer I will play this game in a different way. Ty again.
 

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So if we don't have that particular save before that particular event and use only one save, we are fucked, nice one... Also getting error on tutoring option.
I Think that Lola will have to path's one with pink serum and one with green serum. (That are developed seperatedly?)
You can't get both in one playthru so replay value.
 

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Thing is if i remember correctly we could give all serums to other girls and suddenly we can't to lola. Ok, i understand the reason is branching and making choices and this will create problem where some players based on their choices can't access content in future updates if those updates are solely focused on one branch like it's case with current update. I'm more for having access to all content in one playtrough, but the decision is yours. I was not following development plan for this game, but i really can't remember that story branching was original intention for this game and i doubt that most members here knew about this, otherwise they would create more save files to access new lola content. If it's other way around, i apologize for long rant. I like this game and i was playing it since the beginning, but i think story branching will just decrease potential of this game. Rant over ;)
How will it decrease potential.
I guess there is a lot of example of game that missuses branching or losts themselves into it. But that doesn't mean all have to do so.

And if we were using a different engine I would be a lot saner right now I would agree with you, but the only strength of Ren'Py is its rollback and save system. So making choices is much easy than some Unity game with 30yo save mechanics.
Nowadays I need to be careful about the size of the save directories. I already have multiple hundreds of GB of eroge, I cannot allow myself to have more than 1GB of saves for each.
You might say I'm a compulsive saver. I tend to save every time there is a choice or after a choice.

Well ... yeah, Ren'Py, good with branching engine. So given the amount of content Jan forces himself to put inside each update, we came to the conclusion that if we wanted to finish the game at one point, we would need to be smart when branching.
Let's just estimate a gross amount of time needed to "finish" the game.

Given we give all the girls let's say 2 routes, at least 2 stages by routes, add maybe 3-4 plot lines. Add 2 secondary character to support the story. Give secondary character 4 scenes each.
That gives us around at more than year and a half worth of work given consistently high and really optimistic output.
More realistically that would represent over 2 years of work if not 3.


About what was planned, well, Jan as a creator "plan" or more accurately would want to do way more than he can.
It's just that since we I joined him, he can do more, so it's more realistic to plan more content.

To simplify, currently the goal would be.
For the girls :
Multiple routes with multiple stages for multiple girls with each stages consisting of a sizable amount of unique scenes.
For the story:
A quick background overview with more details on the blog, character development of the girls, and around 3 routes to revenge for the MC, multiple branches some being shorter and potentially leading to different ends.
We don't want to go heavy on the branching. But if a branch is needed and lead to a quicker end we will try to give a decent closure.
I will rephrase a little, we won't be afraid to choose to have a route not playable like a slightly more complete "they lived happily ever after".
Annnd that is probably TMI that we bite us in the ass in the future.o_O
 

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Ugh branching in these type of games fucking sucks ASS. Essentially it just means you have to replay the game over and over, which in these games means doing the same shit over and over. This gets boring, fast...

Can't you just make a new serum that 'resets' characters? At least then with Lola so we'd only have to redo her shit and not everything else.
 
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pink serum makes her in a slut and changes her look just wait a few days into you get txt from the stip club. i thinking give her the green is a look more fun
 

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So is the Lola path permanently branched or do they join up later? Or is the pink serum more of a dead end now and it's green serum?
 

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Ugh branching in these type of games fucking sucks ASS. Essentially it just means you have to replay the game over and over, which in these games means doing the same shit over and over. This gets boring, fast...

Can't you just make a new serum that 'resets' characters? At least then with Lola so we'd only have to redo her shit and not everything else.
Exactly, i didn't want to be bold and to insult and disrespect their work, i think there are a lot of us with this kind of mindset. This can result in people loosing interest for this game, and some patreons could cancel their pledge, but it's devs decision. Grinding and repeating these games to see some new path is really tiresome, but then again you have a lot masochists who are playing summertime saga from the beginning with every update...
 

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Ugh branching in these type of games fucking sucks ASS. Essentially it just means you have to replay the game over and over, which in these games means doing the same shit over and over. This gets boring, fast...

Can't you just make a new serum that 'resets' characters? At least then with Lola so we'd only have to redo her shit and not everything else.
Are you meaning that sucking ass is something negative ? :rolleyes:

I'm already on the verge of a nervous breakdown trying to keep the inconsistencies to a minimum and you want us to add a time traveling serum ? Are you insane ! Do you realize the implication of such powers ?

So yeah, would not really work story wise.
So the green serum enables the Lola + Kara scene, but does giving the pink serum do anything? I tried to give it and fast forward and didn't see anything new so far.
Indeed there is nothing new on her pink path yet.
So is the Lola path permanently branched or do they join up later? Or is the pink serum more of a dead end now and it's green serum?
It's true that compared to her new route the pink one is pretty light-ish.

And as I mentioned earlier we don't aim to make all the route either the same length nor make them as important story wise.
As for Lola I don't think the routes will merge. It's pretty unlikely. Both at pretty much bound any new event including Howard but in different ways.
Exactly, i didn't want to be bold and to insult and disrespect their work, i think there are a lot of us with this kind of mindset. This can result in people loosing interest for this game, and some patreons could cancel their pledge, but it's devs decision. Grinding and repeating these games to see some new path is really tiresome, but then again you have a lot masochists who are playing summertime saga from the beginning with every update...
Well it's not like we want to cheat you out of potential content.

Now it's new, yes, but in the future, injecting a girl will potentially mean more consequences. You realize you are deliberately injecting women with potent drug right ? At some point you need to take responsibility for your acts.

Also, we are "planning"(loosely using the term here) to add new game mechanics to make better use of the serums in a more utilitarian way or simply put, boost stats. I mean such powerful drug would be cheating in real life, not much reason not to make them shortcuts in the game.
 
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You should avoid replying to every complains of this kind ( and by kind of complain I mean the stupids ones ) especially if your game puts a toll on you.
Are these guys even patrons ? I'm not one so I don't complain about stuff I don't like on a free porn game.
I wonder how these guys deal with mainstream RPG games where the player actions have an influence on the story...but maybe they' don't play RPG.
 

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You should avoid replying to every complains of this kind ( and by kind of complain I mean the stupids ones ) especially if your game puts a toll on you.
Are these guys even patrons ? I'm not one so I don't complain about stuff I don't like on a free porn game.
I wonder how these guys deal with mainstream RPG games where the player actions have an influence on the story...but maybe they' don't play RPG.
Thanks for caring. But really, don't worry for me about that.

I don't feel obligated to respond or anything, I like to build walls of text and in this situations the most dangerous thing is to give too much information that could be interpreted as promises.
And bonus point since I really really love to disagree.

As for making the game taking a toll on me, well I would say it's like sport (not that I really know but it seem to match what others say about it), it's can be hard, painful even and sometimes you don't want to do it, but in the end it feels good.

Huuh ... are people doing sport more inline with masochism than they realize ?
 
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You should avoid replying to every complains of this kind ( and by kind of complain I mean the stupids ones ) especially if your game puts a toll on you.
Are these guys even patrons ? I'm not one so I don't complain about stuff I don't like on a free porn game.
I wonder how these guys deal with mainstream RPG games where the player actions have an influence on the story...but maybe they' don't play RPG.
First of all, it's "Complaints" if anything. And ignoring them (even if they could be worded more politely) doesn't help anyone. You need to confront and reflect on criticism otherwise you will only repeat mistakes and be unable (or find it harder to) improve on your work.
If the game puts a toll on him that's his fault. He's self-employed so he needs to look after his needs himself and split work accordingly. There is no point in pitying the "poor creator" it's their choice to create this game, so they need to deal with critique of that work and with the according work schedule.

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Are you meaning that sucking ass is something negative ? :rolleyes:

Indeed there is nothing new on her pink path yet.

It's true that compared to her new route the pink one is pretty light-ish.

And as I mentioned earlier we don't aim to make all the route either the same length nor make them as important story wise.
As for Lola I don't think the routes will merge. It's pretty unlikely. Both at pretty much bound any new event including Howard but in different ways.
Okay thanks! Great game so far. Now I have to decide which Lola I want haha.
 

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First of all, it's "Complaints" if anything. And ignoring them (even if they could be worded more politely) doesn't help anyone. You need to confront and reflect on criticism otherwise you will only repeat mistakes and be unable (or find it harder to) improve on your work.
If the game puts a toll on him that's his fault. He's self-employed so he needs to look after his needs himself and split work accordingly. There is no point in pitying the "poor creator" it's their choice to create this game, so they need to deal with critique of that work and with the according work schedule.

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Thank you Mister Spelling, Lord of Grammar. When you can speak my native language as well as I speak English you can school me, otherwise don't.
I pity no one, I sympathize.
 
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First of all, it's "Complaints" if anything. And ignoring them (even if they could be worded more politely) doesn't help anyone. You need to confront and reflect on criticism otherwise you will only repeat mistakes and be unable (or find it harder to) improve on your work.
They are not really critics, they are more like opinions and liking.

That is the same thing when somebody tells us he would like to see something like one characterwith bigger boobs.

We acknowledge that, maybe it could influence a bit our decisions, but in the end, I would not call it improvement since other would like smaller boobs.
If the game puts a toll on him that's his fault. He's self-employed so he needs to look after his needs himself and split work accordingly. There is no point in pitying the "poor creator" it's their choice to create this game, so they need to deal with critique of that work and with the according work schedule.
Well I would say "fault", more "choice" really. Hey you brought up the wording thing.

And I would also say that caring for someone even if you don't know them does not mean "pitying" them.
As far as I know it could be a totally interested move to keep said creator creating and providing valued content.

So since I do think that is a valid point (otherwise I would not make it) that mean that there is a point and thus that you are wrong.

Thank you Mister Spelling, Lord of Grammar. When you can speak my native language as well as I speak English you can school me, otherwise don't.
I pity no one, I sympathize.
Okay, let's not derail totally here.
 

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Time travel serum? Wut??

It would only have to undo her body/mind changes and then memory wipe her...Time travel??? Crazy...

Imagine it like this, everything you do with her changes a variable, just have the serum reset them all, like a factory reset 0, 0, 0, 0, yeah?
 

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Time travel serum? Wut??

It would only have to undo her body/mind changes and then memory wipe her...Time travel??? Crazy...
Crazy, oh, don't try to flatter me you goof.

What I hinted is that since she ... experienced, the event after her transform, to keep it consistent with a downgrade such a serum would in fact reverse time. Maybe you could on solo event make it work with amnesia, but for the new events for example how would you do if not with time travel ?

I'm pretty serious when it comes to keeping things consistent.
 
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