VN Ren'Py Abandoned Dr. Amana, Sexual Therapist [v2.0.0P] [Ianvs]

[Cartageno]

Decision theory would tell you that giving more choices cannot be bad. I personally don't think that is true, as we players need not be rational XD..

I don't know about the specifics of Decision Theory, even though it roughly lies in my field of expertise, however more choices can be bad. E. g. - even though it is slightly (by which I mean "completely") off topic here, you can build an additional road to relieve a congested area - but actually average travel time increases with the new road. And not talking about exterior stuff like "more people using the road" here.

So there is always a chance that an additional option may be bad. Even more so in something individual in a game. It may cause analysis catharsis in a strategic game, it may just make you lose focus, it may do any of a myriad things.

 

[Kurosa003]

Android port of last version?

 

[Ayhsel]

I don't know about the specifics of Decision Theory, even though it roughly lies in my field of expertise, however more choices can be bad. E. g. - even though it is slightly (by which I mean "completely") off topic here, you can build an additional road to relieve a congested area - but actually average travel time increases with the new road. And not talking about exterior stuff like "more people using the road" here.

So there is always a chance that an additional option may be bad. Even more so in something individual in a game. It may cause analysis catharsis in a strategic game, it may just make you lose focus, it may do any of a myriad things.

The idea in decision theory is essentially that giving you a decision can only improve you as you can simply not use it.. therefore, your well being can only go up.

This fact is actually violated under some assumption in real life. First, that processing choices is costless. If I give you a thousand choices is harder for you to analyze that if I give you two and real life experiments suggest that people do stay away from very hard problem to choose, if that complexity is simply more choices.

Then, there are some ideas about dynamic decision making, when people are temporal inconsistent, so that if they know they will not be able to resist temptation later down the road, remove the choice. For example, dont buy chocolate if you are on a diet when you go to the store, if your chocolate withdrawal symptoms tend to happen at night.

 

[Alfius]

Well then it's a good thing there is no incest in my game. Cause you know, if there was I'd be breaking Patreon's T's & C's and that would sink the whole project...

Or maybe the immersion occurs when you realize you're Roger telling the story to someone else and while you're telling it you're doing a really bad job at...well, relaying details that aren't details because there isn't any incest in the game...or something........fuck...what was I saying?
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[Rileyfksurmom]

lol the only hit I got on the movie was some milf lesbian crap

 

[Duke4515]

So, my biggest issue (which is kind of small) with the update is during or after the sex scene.

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[Ayhsel]

So, my biggest issue (which is kind of small) with the update is during or after the sex scene. Before hand Cass described how safe she had been with condoms and all that with previous partners. A second later the MC and her were banging it out raw dog and in my case knocked her up. My only issue is that I would have liked some small dialogue at some point to address something that important. Such an important plot point like that felt like it deserved some additional acknowledgement. It wasn't a small thing if she knew it wasn't safe at the time yet went through with it still.

I also noticed that, but I justified it to myself like: sex ended up happening spontaneously. While she kind of planned it, it is not like she knew it would happen, she was simply testing the waters... I doubt she planned going to the pool and that. And from the point of view of diseases this is a safe guy (who might have fucked a prostitute raw and also knocked her up... mmm maybe not so safe if you think about it)

I am, however, a strong supporter that I WANT PREGNANCY TO MATTER. Imagine the beautiful problem of your baby girl coming to tell you that she is pregnant with her mother, your wife, a few meters away.... How would MC react and all that? I know it will be hard making it important, as knocking her up is not mandatory, but I would love to have that scenario

 

[RomanHume]

So, my biggest issue (which is kind of small) with the update is during or after the sex scene.

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I actually find this observation interesting and this is the second or third time it's come up so I should probably comment on it.

At the time of writing those previous conversations, the intended context of 'safe' in the dialogue was "careful not to catch an STD". The assumption being that if she did get pregnant she'd take a morning after pill or whatever and needed less of a safe guarding from that possible outcome.

Thus when Roger's is ensuring her 'safety', she and he are both referring to the lack of sexually transmitted diseases. And since she trusts Roger, she didn't feel the need to be 'safe' with him knowing that any unintended pregnancy could be dealt with over the counter.

It never occurred to me that people would interpret 'being safe' as in, safe guarding against pregnancy. It's a fascinating observation and something I'll need to factor in when writing in the future.

 

[Spfjolietjake]

I actually find this observation interesting and this is the second or third time it's come up so I should probably comment on it.

At the time of writing those previous conversations, the intended context of 'safe' in the dialogue was "careful not to catch an STD". The assumption being that if she did get pregnant she'd take a morning after pill or whatever and needed less of a safe guarding from that possible outcome.

Thus when Roger's is ensuring her 'safety', she and he are both referring to the lack of sexually transmitted diseases. And since she trusts Roger, she didn't feel the need to be 'safe' with him knowing that any unintended pregnancy could be dealt with over the counter.

It never occurred to me that people would interpret 'being safe' as in, safe guarding against pregnancy. It's a fascinating observation and something I'll need to factor in when writing in the future.

I haven't got around to the update yet. That said I wanted to let you know I appreciate you hanging with us pirates as your candid interactions have been quite entertaining

 

[Ikarius]

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[RomanHume]

incest patch no longer needed ?

Apparently like 75% needed. I got work to do on that other 24%.

I'm of course leaving 1% over because you know, there's no incest...

 

[RomanHume]

I haven't got around to the update yet. That said I wanted to let you know I appreciate you hanging with us pirates as your candid interactions have been quite entertaining

My pleasure!

You see I've cracked the code on this whole development thing. I've learned that happy pirates have a greater chance of one day becoming loyal patrons. A lot of devs miss that I think.

Plus being 100% accessible and completely open about my process and progress gets me way ahead of the rumor mill. There's never any question what I'm up to as a developer or what progress is actually being made. Hence I avoid hundreds of pages of speculation and false rumor that plagues other developers.

I won't lie. Talking to fans, getting all the feedback (the good and the bad), and occasionally berating lazy people, it's fun.


I learned very early on that some of the project's biggest patron boosts came AFTER an F95 leak. And I like to think I maintain a pretty good relationship with the mods and staffers. So much so that they only delete my posts when I'm feeding trolls.

No doubt. This is a good place and I love it!

(Newest version of the game even has F95 links on the main menu and buried in it because I get tired of assholes on other sites charging people for access to my game. I'd rather people find their way back here and steal it for free than pay some shit head for my hard work)

 

[Cartageno]

The idea in decision theory is essentially that giving you a decision can only improve you as you can simply not use it.. therefore, your well being can only go up.

Okay, I see, and from my (scientific) experience there is one more problem adding to the ones you mentioned, referring my "traffic example" above: If it is only you who gets the new option, then it works. However if everybody gets it, the negative consequences to others may outweigh your personal gain, and if everybody is enticed to do as you do, there may be a large enough overall loss to completely cancel any individual gain so everybody is off worse. Which does not apply to games like these as much, there your example about too many options taking time is more relevant. And we've even seen it in practice, how many decisions in VNs have annoyed players because in effect there was no decision at all.

 

[fitgirlbestgirl]

I would love it if I could make every sex scene verbally unique but I also know the limits of my own power. That's why I rely so heavily on the imagery in those scenes because how many ways can you describe fucking without falling to repetition?

It's not so much your way of "describing the fucking" I'm finding fault with, but rather the overabundance of fucking without any additional meaning, the lack of natural buildup and crescendo.

And it's a problem I don't recall ever seeing in your game before. Maybe it's intensified because it is what feels like 20 PIV scenes chained together, maybe it's the nature of the encounter as a "heat of the moment" thing, maybe it's the lack of satisfying incest-related dialogue or maybe it's just that Cassie was never one of my favorite characters to begin with, but the scene just rang incredibly hollow to me, at least after the first two or three fucks.

I liked what was built around it and your renders are great, but I hope you're not going to handle future sex scenes this way.

Anyways, looking forward to what's next and thanks for being so responsive.

 

[Ayhsel]

Okay, I see, and from my (scientific) experience there is one more problem adding to the ones you mentioned, referring my "traffic example" above: If it is only you who gets the new option, then it works. However if everybody gets it, the negative consequences to others may outweigh your personal gain, and if everybody is enticed to do as you do, there may be a large enough overall loss to completely cancel any individual gain so everybody is off worse. Which does not apply to games like these as much, there your example about too many options taking time is more relevant. And we've even seen it in practice, how many decisions in VNs have annoyed players because in effect there was no decision at all.

still can't react

Ohh absolutely. The analysis was simply for pure single agent decision. For games behavior, nothing works directly, as you need to take into account the responses of each agent. The simplest case is the prisoner's dilemma, where having the option to confess is worse for all and if you wanted you would prefer to remove the option.

But yeah, not applicable to single player games.

 

[Cartageno]

still can't react

Ohh absolutely. The analysis was simply for pure single agent decision. For games behavior, nothing works directly, as you need to take into account the responses of each agent. The simplest case is the prisoner's dilemma, where having the option to confess is worse for all and if you wanted you would prefer to remove the option.

But yeah, not applicable to single player games.

This is annoying to me, since the Prisoner's Dilemma would have been a way better example to underscore my point than what I did, expecially if anybody wanted to follow my line of reasoning.

 

[AL.d]

Having finished this update I think that this is one of those cases where "step-taboo" fits the story better than regular. The scene came too fast and having it being actual "i" makes the setting way less grounded.

 

[Disturbedcobra]

For the time being, I did a little work on some of the minor details and have edited a few files to allow for Incest. There weren't that many changes needed, but did at least make it seem in some instances that they reference relation. It's no typical patch, and obviously not perfect, but at least a stopgap till someone makes a proper patch. Seems to work fine for me currently at least. Luckily there is only that one chapter so far. XD

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[Ayhsel]

By the way Hume, I think there is a mistake in the Notebook's description of Cassie. I think the age variable is not set up right as it says "is ch.age"

 

[Dyhart]

So glad to know that 1,300+ images and 32k words of text, months of work and countless hours grinding away is rendered completely unplayable by a single word.

I guess I'll just have to settle for "some of the people, some of the time".

Hey I meant no offense, but I can't be the only one who finds it strange that someone would ask as their "neighbor" if their friends could come over. Like I don't know. You live next door. Ask your dad.

I'm fine with non incest games but if it's supposed to have that taboo(and it is) ...you get the point. It's like when you see the line "we shouldn't do this, we're roomates" ....ok and? lol

Immersion.