VN Ren'Py Dual Family [v1.22.1ce] [Gumdrop Games]

[Ignazzio]

You should compare its language with other developers. It's just better in comparison not so great on its own. Another thing is that most players don't speak English as their first language and they won't find anything good in sophisticated literature even if they'll understand most of it. Which isn't very likely. English is probably the only language with majority of users not being natives speakers. I'm not really defending DF as for me it's just so so but I didn't see any game that's even trying to write something believable on Patreon. Even if games don't have broken English they are all pretty simplistic with how they use it. I really do wonder how Gumdrop would write a vanilla game without incest. Cuz it can be that drama is his only way to introduce incest (similiar to BB and blackmail) so in vanilla he could write something less dramatic. But I guess we won't know for a long time.

 

[lostraven]

You should compare its language with other developers. It's just better in comparison not so great on its own. Another thing is that most players don't speak English as their first language and they won't find anything good in sophisticated literature even if they'll understand most of it. Which isn't very likely. English is probably the only language with majority of users not being natives speakers. I'm not really defending DF as for me it's just so so but I didn't see any game that's even trying to write something believable on Patreon. Even if games don't have broken English they are all pretty simplistic with how they use it. I really do wonder how Gumdrop would write a vanilla game without incest. Cuz it can be that drama is his only way to introduce incest (similiar to BB and blackmail) so in vanilla he could write something less dramatic. But I guess we won't know for a long time.

I don't actually demand sophisticated literature with these games, you can tell compelling simple stories, there's no mandatory expectation on how sophisticated the writing should be. I'll admit he even has a command of the English language, but my god is it pretentious drivel, he writes the kind of edgy nonsense a 15 year old meet would have wrote. I'd rather a fun zany game and plot like Lewdlab that's out there than something trying to be super realistic, because let's face it, more than likely in super realistic terms the kid would end up seeing a psyche and that'd be that. I like my porn to be escapism. It's why whenever there's pregnancy in a incest game the baby turns out fine every time, because having a convo about childhood defects is something I'd rather avoid when I'm wacking ol' Johnny.

 

[Lotex]

This kind of storytelling would probably not be a big deal if he'd just create a game and release it all in one go. I don't exactly expect this kind of language from a game, but I don't mind it either but since this is all we got since lika half a year or something it's really noticeable.

 

[xןʞ]

You should compare its language with other developers. It's just better in comparison not so great on its own. Another thing is that most players don't speak English as their first language and they won't find anything good in sophisticated literature even if they'll understand most of it. Which isn't very likely. English is probably the only language with majority of users not being natives speakers. I'm not really defending DF as for me it's just so so but I didn't see any game that's even trying to write something believable on Patreon. Even if games don't have broken English they are all pretty simplistic with how they use it. I really do wonder how Gumdrop would write a vanilla game without incest. Cuz it can be that drama is his only way to introduce incest (similiar to BB and blackmail) so in vanilla he could write something less dramatic. But I guess we won't know for a long time.

You know I've always wondered that, it always kind of seemed that devs who are are native English first speakers seem to gather a higher percentage of American/English European pledges.

Whereas stuff like Darksilver/Vnorth seems to actually get a higher percentage of Russian pledges than your average dev would.

 

[Ignazzio]

I don't actually demand sophisticated literature with these games, you can tell compelling simple stories, there's no mandatory expectation on how sophisticated the writing should be. I'll admit he even has a command of the English language, but my god is it pretentious drivel, he writes the kind of edgy nonsense a 15 year old meet would have wrote. I'd rather a fun zany game and plot like Lewdlab that's out there than something trying to be super realistic, because let's face it, more than likely in super realistic terms the kid would end up seeing a psyche and that'd be that. I like my porn to be escapism. It's why whenever there's pregnancy in a incest game the baby turns out fine every time, because having a convo about childhood defects is something I'd rather avoid when I'm wacking ol' Johnny.

Yeah it's just a matter of personal preferences I guess and attitude towards given theme. But for me it's quite visible that among all simple stories we have on Patreon it's the only one that's not so simple. At least in terms of language it uses. It started like that and it's pretty popular so it's like a mandatory thing right now. There always has to be this one game that tries to present old theme in a different way. It might be pretentious (agree on that. Every new update is more pretentious) but it surely achieved to create some doze of reality in it. You're right son could end up like that, and I seriously wouldn't be shocked if some characters would really commited a suicide but it's not necesarily a con. I really don't like incest games due to how unrealistic they are but this one actually feels believable to some extent as incest isn't really a healthy thing for mind in real life. Ofc that's all my subjective opinion and it doesn't really matter that much. I'm not a great fan of DF but I find it praiseworthy that developer is trying to create more ambitious story. Even if his attempts aren't exactly great for me.

This kind of storytelling would probably not be a big deal if he'd just create a game and release it all in one go. I don't exactly expect this kind of language from a game, but I don't mind it either but since this is all we got since lika half a year or something it's really noticeable.

Agree. This game really shows how badly monthly-release system can be for some games. Games with richer non-erotic narration will always take more criticism from player if they expect gratification every update. You can't build non-erotic base for a year cuz players will crush you. I'm not sayind DF doesn't deserve criticism as it obviously does, but its degree is a bit too large. I really hate this model of releases Patreon created.

You know I've always wondered that, it always kind of seemed that devs who are are native English first speakers seem to gather a higher percentage of American/English European pledges.

Whereas stuff like Darksilver/Vnorth seems to actually get a higher percentage of Russian pledges than your average dev would.

In fact I wouldn't compare English native developers and Russian as Russians are much larger group. I would even say it's vast majority of developers on Patreon. It depends on your country if being a Patreon developer is worth it and English speaking countries are just too rich in most cases. In my country (in close relation to Russia) I could go full time on a game if I made it to 1K$ while developer from Germany like A Wife And Mother's dev expects to reach 12K$ for it to being worth it. I wouldn't really connect dev's country with his publicity if he's speaking in english. Most of them at some point hire a native speakers to proofread their games so it's not like it's a real issue

 

[Lotex]

Nah, 12k/month is a little too high for normal standard in germany. If you get between 3-5k you're pretty well off, althoug more does never hurt.

edit: That is, of course, if you don't have an excessive lifestyle, otherwise you'd better create something that's worth 10k/month.

 

[lostraven]

Yeah it's just a matter of personal preferences I guess and attitude towards given theme. But for me it's quite visible that among all simple stories we have on Patreon it's the only one that's not so simple. At least in terms of language it uses. It started like that and it's pretty popular so it's like a mandatory thing right now. There always has to be this one game that tries to present old theme in a different way. It might be pretentious (agree on that. Every new update is more pretentious) but it surely achieved to create some doze of reality in it. You're right son could end up like that, and I seriously wouldn't be shocked if some characters would really commited a suicide but it's not necesarily a con. I really don't like incest games due to how unrealistic they are but this one actually feels believable to some extent as incest isn't really a healthy thing for mind in real life. Ofc that's all my subjective opinion and it doesn't really matter that much. I'm not a great fan of DF but I find it praiseworthy that developer is trying to create more ambitious story. Even if his attempts aren't exactly great for me.

As a slight correction, I don't believe the game is a con, I just think Gumdrops clearly thinks his writing touches so deeply upon the human condition and woe is me for I am as deep as a fart in the blackest of oceans. His writing isn't bad, it's just unnecessarily overused. If he used his 'deep' moments more sparingly, the writing would have much more impact. Instead it just reads like a edgy teens first crack at it, I know, because that's what I did as a edgy teen with MY first crack at writing 'deep'.

 

[Ignazzio]

As a slight correction, I don't believe the game is a con, I just think Gumdrops clearly thinks his writing touches so deeply upon the human condition and woe is me for I am as deep as a fart in the blackest of oceans. His writing isn't bad, it's just unnecessarily overused. If he used his 'deep' moments more sparingly, the writing would have much more impact. Instead it just reads like a edgy teens first crack at it, I know, because that's what I did as a edgy teen with MY first crack at writing 'deep'.

Agree. Tho I can't really tell if his way of writing things is due to his age or personal style. He surely uses English much better than most natives I've seen but as non-native I can't really tell if it's a standard thing most natives could write or if he has some talent and extended vocabulary.

 

[xןʞ]

Agree. Tho I can't really tell if his way of writing things is due to his age or personal style. He surely uses English much better than most natives I've seen but as non-native I can't really tell if it's a standard thing most natives could write or if he has some talent and extended vocabulary.

Honestly his writing would probably be seen as above average in a high school level setting in the US, most certainly not college(I minored in English Lit and yeah...most professors woud write some form of 'use you words better to push the plot forward' or something and end up giving him a C-)

I can understand non native speakers thinking it is high quality writing because they might not be particularly familiar with actual professional level (or even actual collegiate level) long-form writing in English, but yeah, this most certainly isn't it.

As other people have stated, taking the adult content out of the equation, this writing would be considered about the level of an angsty 15 year old who wants to seem more intellectual than he actually is at best.

 

[Lotex]

Ok, I finally bit the bullet and got around to play the dad route and what can I say, it's even worse than the son route x'D
All these people have problems, but this guy hits the jackpot with his obsession and shit. It also seems kind of weird, at one point it seems like it's 2pm and a few clicks later mom has set the table for breakfast okerFace:

 

[Ignazzio]

Honestly his writing would probably be seen as above average in a high school level setting in the US, most certainly not college(I minored in English Lit and yeah...most professors woud write some form of 'use you words better to push the plot forward' or something and end up giving him a C-)

I can understand non native speakers thinking it is high quality writing because they might not be particularly familiar with actual professional level (or even actual collegiate level) long-form writing in English, but yeah, this most certainly isn't it.

As other people have stated, taking the adult content out of the equation, this writing would be considered about the level of an angsty 15 year old who wants to seem more intellectual than he actually is at best.

Interesting. I guess I shouldn't take level of random people on forums as a standard of well educated one.
That's quite sad that non-natives can't really find more of an advanced language in our games. It's sympthomatic and unhealthy when games focused on a text have low-standards. The only excuse I can find for native developers is monthly-release system that makes people rush things but that's still rather lazy attitude

 

[xןʞ]

Interesting. I guess I shouldn't take level of random people on forums as a standard of well educated one.
That's quite sad that non-natives can't really find more of an advanced language in our games. It's sympthomatic and unhealthy when games focused on a text have low-standards. The only excuse I can find for native developers is monthly-release system that makes people rush things but that's still rather lazy attitude

Honestly off the top of my head the only two games on here that would be seen as legitimately good writing outside of the adult game world from a native English standpoint are probably Wicked Choices and Depraved Awakenings, and those two are written by native speakers as far as I know.

Gumdrop's writing style is fine from a spelling and grammar standpoint but would honestly be laughed out of most actual writing circles for how hard he tries to be deep with no actual substance from an American perspective(Robert Frost this guy is not let's be honest.)

90% of adult games have awful writing but that is ok since their native language isn't English and most of them don't take themselves too seriously, this one can't use either of those excuses.

 

[User_215882]

I'll tell you what his writing reminds me of. Fucking Catcher in the Rye. If anyone has read that book you can see why. Fuck me why didnt I see this earlier.

 

[relayer98]

This is where serious literary lovers begin to choose ? maybe it's a time open there - pen club:closedeyesmile:

 

[Jax_iv]

When updating?

 

[Jax_iv]

SAVE PLEASE!!!

 

[lostraven]

SAVE PLEASE!!!

Why do you need a save? The game is pretty straightforward. Just save before every choice (there isn't really that many), pursue the person you want, enjoy

 

[215303j]

Nah, 12k/month is a little too high for normal standard in germany. If you get between 3-5k you're pretty well off, althoug more does never hurt.

edit: That is, of course, if you don't have an excessive lifestyle, otherwise you'd better create something that's worth 10k/month.

You forget that, if you want to quit your job, you also need to take into account, costs (hardware and software) but also pension schemes, social security insurance as well as uncertainty about your life after this project is completed or if it somehow fails. Therefore I think 10k is about right if you want to do this full time in Germany. But because reaching 10k is quite difficult, I am not surprised to see a lot of Russian devs, because they probably have enough if they reach 1-2k...

 

[Ignazzio]

You forget that, if you want to quit your job, you also need to take into account, costs (hardware and software) but also pension schemes, social security insurance as well as uncertainty about your life after this project is completed or if it somehow fails. Therefore I think 10k is about right if you want to do this full time in Germany. But because reaching 10k is quite difficult, I am not surprised to see a lot of Russian devs, because they probably have enough if they reach 1-2k...

As far as I know 1k is more than twice average Russian earns monthly. And since average Russian is more wealthy than real Russian it's probably 3 times more. All western perverts should be greatful that Russia doesn't really care about economy cuz our Patreon market would almost dissapear if Russians had even mediocre economical standards

 

[Vanaduke]

It's been another week and still no previews. Jesus Christ, the guy is incompetent as fuck.