VN Ren'Py Abandoned Dual Family [v1.22.1ce] [Gumdrop Games]

[Vanaduke]

How many times are you gonna mention you pledged? Why are you even boasting about it?

Because the topic of the conversation concerns the quality of the game and why we withdrew our pledges? Because idiots keep pushing that pledgers should not give a fuck?

 

[401Grem]

Because the topic of the conversation concerns the quality of the game and why we withdrew our pledges? Because idiots keep pushing that pledgers should not give a fuck?

Pledging doesn't give you any right to have a say in any of the devs business, unless the dev expressly permits it.

 

[Paranoid_android]

Pledging doesn't give you any right to have a say in any of the devs business unless the dev expressly permits it.

What business in specific are you regarding? And why you shouldn't have a right to say anything about this game (there are public/free and Patreon/paid versions)? If we abide by what you are saying, no one should be allowed to ever express their opinions, due to it being someone else's work, even you since you are talking about his/her work and taking for granted what you are entailed to touch upon and dictating matters on your own. Going forward with that same logic on different matters, would conclude on nothing being reviewed or discussed, since if you are not expressly allowed by the author you can't talk about his/her work (work, homework, thesis, music, games and anything else for that matter wouldn't be discussed), and by proxy, this discussion thread shouldn't even exist.

 

[401Grem]

What business in specific are you regarding? And why you shouldn't have a right to say anything about this game (there are public/free and Patreon/paid versions)? If we abide by what you are saying, no one should be allowed to express their opinions, due to it being someone's work, even you since you are talking about his/her work and taking for granted what you are entailed to touch upon and dictating matters on your own. Going forward with that same logic on different matters, would conclude on nothing being reviewed or discussed, since if you are not expressly allowed by the author you can't talk about his/her work (work, homework, thesis, music, games and anything else for that matter wouldn't be discussed), and by proxy, this discussion thread shouldn't even exist.

My point stands. Some people feel, that after donating a small amount of money, they become entitled to decide how the dev creates their game or what they do with the money donated, then if it isn't what they determine to be what they want, they complain, and resort to borderline defamation.

 

[Vanaduke]

My point stands. Some people feel, that after donating a small amount of money, they become entitled to decide how the dev creates their game or what they do with the money donated, then if it isn't what they determine to be what they want, they complain, and resort to borderline defamation.

When have I stated that Gumdrop should take a different approach? I merely expressed my dismay of his incompetence and failure to deliver a quality adult game worth its name? I'm not insisting on how Kyle should handle his own game, I'm disappointed on how he rips us patreons off. You might want to run through the entire exchange before butting in our conversation, you're making a fool of yourself.

The nerve of these people.

 

[Paranoid_android]

My point stands. Some people feel, that after donating a small amount of money, they become entitled to decide how the dev creates their game or what they do with the money donated, then if it isn't what they determine to be what they want, they complain and resort to borderline defamation.

Well I agree on some points, but what @Vanaduke has stated previously (before this escalated) has some truth to it, wouldn't you agree? Delayed releases, slow pacing (which isn't necessarily bad for some of us), missing content (mom-son shopping setting), overused and prolonged moral conundrums that become monologues (Gumdrop even conceded on this aspect through Discord), mini-games that serve nothing (only as time-wasters that slow development), just to mention some.

 

[401Grem]

I'm disappointed on how he rips us patreons off. You might want to run through the entire exchange before butting in our conversation, you're making a fool of yourself.

The nerve of these people.

Yet you come here and spread your opinion based defamation.

 

[401Grem]

Well I agree on some points, but what @Vanaduke has stated previously (before this escalated) has some truth to it, wouldn't you agree? Delayed releases, slow pacing (which isn't necessarily bad for some of us), missing content (mom-son shopping setting), overused and prolonged moral conundrums that become monologues (Gumdrop even conceded on this aspect through Discord), mini-games that serve nothing (only as time-wasters that slow development), just to mention some.

I agree, and that should be discussed and handled with the dev, and not spreading malicious speculative rumors and defamation here.

 

[JR81]

Pledging doesn't give you any right to have a say in any of the devs business, unless the dev expressly permits it.

EXACTLY... That was the point I was making. But this guy doesn't seem to understand what Patreon is all about. He seems to think it's some sort of crowdfunding to obtain a specific product, which of course is not the case.

 

[Vanaduke]

Yet you come here and spread your opinion based defamation...I agree, and that should be discussed and handled with the dev, and not spreading malicious speculative rumors and defamation here.

Opinion based? His incompetence and failure to deliver on-time releases is grounded by my opinion? Rating the game is not an opinion, it's an observation and a critic. Spreading malicious speculations? What malicious rumors are these? Previous discussions were assumptions on how the game would climax itself judging from its depressive melodrama. Possible murder of the protagonists is not a rumor nor anything malicious.

You continue to show your idiocy.

EXACTLY... That was the point I was making. But this guy doesn't seem to understand what Patreon is all about. He seems to think it's some sort of crowdfunding to obtain a specific product, which of course is not the case.

Here's another jack-in-the-box who needs a good beating in the head. You don't need to point how Patreon works, I paid for your shit; you don't. The escalated issue of this conversation is my dismay of gumdrop incompetence: failure to deliver on-time releases and blue-balling business scheme, which were the reasons why I withdrew my support. It's under my discretion. I don't care how Gumdrop envisions his game, what I care is how he is ripping us off patreons and is no longer worth my buck. You can't comprehend the notion because you're masturbating for free.

 

[Paranoid_android]

I agree, and that should be discussed and handled by the dev, and not spreading malicious speculative rumours and defamation here.

Those matters can be handled by the dev but it still can be discussed here, is there an issue with discussing it? It may seem pointless to some, but at some point, someone might gather all the critics make a summary and present it to Kyle (just like a while ago, it happened on Discord). As far as I read there weren't any rumours only impressions that might pass for you as defamation, but I believe the adjectives used by some were only describing flaws within the game and how Kyle managed his work, maybe it was written in a crude manner and for comedic purpose but still only opinions/criticism and no one spouted libel... so.

 

[JR81]

Here's another jack-in-the-box who needs a good beating in the head. You don't need to point how Patreon works, I paid for your shit; you don't. The escalated issue of this conversation is my dismay of gumdrop incompetence: failure to deliver on-time releases and blue-balling business scheme, which were the reasons why I withdrew my support. It's under my discretion. I don't care how Gumdrop envisions his game, what I care is how he is ripping us off patreons and is no longer worth my buck. You can't comprehend the notion because you're masturbating for free.

Right back at ya'. What you don't seem to understand, is that you are not necessarily entitled to a product just because you pledge, which is also why you have your $1 pledges and whatnot. It's not some store where you pay for a product. He doesn't need to deliver on time, that's not the way it works. Although I grant you it's a dick move to let people believe you are going to.
And it's hilarious that you continue to spout your "I paid so that you can jack-off" BS. Again, pirate forum buddy boy :firstimekiss:

 

[401Grem]

Right back at ya'. What you don't seem to understand, is that you are not necessarily entitled to a product just because you pledge, which is also why you have your $1 pledges and whatnot. It's not some store where you pay for a product. He doesn't need to deliver on time, that's not the way it works. Although I grant you it's a dick move to let people believe you are going to.
And it's hilarious that you continue to spout your "I paid so that you can jack-off" BS. Again, pirate forum buddy boy :firstimekiss:

He "paid" for nothing, and he's getting exactly what he "paid" for. Donating or pledging, isn't paying or buying anything, it's simply charity. i blame todays entitlement society, where everyone is encouraged, to have opinions and pass judgment about things and people, they know little to nothing about, then think that their opinions alone, entitle them to make demands of other people.

 

[Vanaduke]

Right back at ya'. What you don't seem to understand, is that you are not necessarily entitled to a product just because you pledge, which is also why you have your $1 pledges and whatnot. It's not some store where you pay for a product. He doesn't need to deliver on time, that's not the way it works. Although I grant you it's a dick move to let people believe you are going to.
And it's hilarious that you continue to spout your "I paid so that you can jack-off" BS. Again, pirate forum buddy boy :firstimekiss:

Here's my previous response that you might want to read. I've never stated that Gumdrop is entitled to us patrons.

When have I stated that Gumdrop should take a different approach? I merely expressed my dismay of his incompetence and failure to deliver a quality adult game worth its name? I'm not insisting on how Kyle should handle his own game, I'm disappointed on how he rips us patreons off. You might want to run through the entire exchange before butting in our conversation, you're making a fool of yourself.

The nerve of these people.

I've funded for a product I like, it's the manufacturer that fails to deliver on time and makes unnecessary additions. I don't feel entitled to Gumdrop's ideals, I'm frustrated on how little I gain and how much he takes. It's my right to complain and withdraw my support.

That's spoon-feeding to your tortoise-paced brain. Your neurons can easily catch up on firing.

 

[Vanaduke]

He "paid" for nothing, and he's getting exactly what he "paid" for. Donating or pledging, isn't paying or buying anything, it's simply charity. i blame todays entitlement society, where everyone is encouraged, to have opinions and pass judgment about things and people, they know little to nothing about, then think that their opinions alone, entitle them to make demands of other people.

Critic and demanding are two different things. Good lord, imbeciles. Pledging can be subject to forfeiture which I have recounted way too many times. How slow can you be?

I reckon you'll reply with another non-sense.

 

[JR81]

I've funded for a product I like, it's manufactures fails to deliver on time and makes unnecessary additional. I don't feel entitled to Gumdrop's ideals, I'm frustrated on how little I gain and how much he takes. It's my right to complain and withdraw my support.

It is certainly your right complain and withdraw your support, that much is clear, but that's it. What I don't get is why you're doing it here of all places. What you fail to understand is, that you have no right to "gain" anything as you put it.
This is answer sums it up perfectly:

He "paid" for nothing, and he's getting exactly what he "paid" for. Donating or pledging, isn't paying or buying anything, it's simply charity.

 

[Vanaduke]

It is certainly your right complain and withdraw your support, that much is clear, but that's it. But what you fail to understand is, that you have no right to "gain" anything as you put it.
This is answer sums it up perfectly:

It took you two pages to fathom such simple notion. Congratulations! You're slow as a slug. Here have a like and be merry.

 

[401Grem]

It took you two pages to fathom such simple notion. Congratulations! You're slow as a slug. Here have a like and be merry.

I understand why you complain here, you lack the maturity to deal with the dev directly and privately.

 

[JR81]

It took you two pages to fathom such simple notion.

Uhm... Not really. If you don't see that I can't help you.

 

[gunnarb77]

There is so much drama in this thread it would make Keemstar blow a load at the sight of it.