VN Ren'Py Dual Family [v1.22.1ce] [Gumdrop Games]

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Turret

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As an addendum to my post above, the Daughter is about the person with the least issues in DF. She is intelligent, goodlooking and the nice Daddy´s Girl, if shy and at least partially has an Elektra complex. She does heavy-duty sarcasm and has a wilder side she keeps control over.
She is very close with her Dad(something you can see reinforced with the X-mas special) and that there is a tinge of Elektra Compex in her you can see early in the game. How she reacts in word and expression to her Dad telling her about the breaking up family makes it clear that she seriously dislikes her Mom and sees herself as the better option for him. (Which is not so surprising when you play both DF and the XS. It becomes quite obvious that for the Mom the daughter comes a far second behind her brother and is not hiding this favoritism much)
That the daughter is the proverbial Daddy´s Girl is equally made obvious, where it is heavily implied that her date for the dance is practically a younger version of the Dad.
I wrote it before, but one lost chance is when the Son accuses the Dad of spying on the Daughter, there is no option for the daughter to answer "He is allowed to" to shut her brother up, esp. when the siblings have not so good relations. The main cast is actually differingly aware of how close the Dad and Daughter are.
The Mom seems to know it only subconsciously, in how she treats her and unintendedly pushes to two even closer. The Son seems to acknowledge it(thinking that his sis is happier when close to the Dad), but denies it to himself (questioning why the Sis has no problem lying on her Dad in a "suspicious" position) and is jealous of her connection to the Dad to the point of nearly overreacting.
The Aunt is harder to read, but some things she says and does seem to imply that the aunt has recognised the feelings of Dad/Daughter and uses this to her own advantage, read torpedoing the marriage. Additionally, she likes the daughter and I would not be much surprised if the aunt would run some clandestine help for the daughter getting the Dad, if in the long run it helps her getting him once the daughter will find a husband of her own.
Karen is the one who most openly has recognised that there is something more between Dad/Daughter, but because she wnats him herself or better, wants him to deny him to the daughter, she is very much into manipulation. And since Karen, unlike her Mom, does not think her plans through it has already backfired spectacularly once and it looks like it will do so more later on. (It is heavily implied the daughter saw the "arrangement" Karen did, which she should not have seen.)
 

Joshua Tree

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As an addendum to my post above, the Daughter is about the person with the least issues in DF. She is intelligent, goodlooking and the nice Daddy´s Girl, if shy and at least partially has an Elektra complex. She does heavy-duty sarcasm and has a wilder side she keeps control over.
She is very close with her Dad(something you can see reinforced with the X-mas special) and that there is a tinge of Elektra Compex in her you can see early in the game. How she reacts in word and expression to her Dad telling her about the breaking up family makes it clear that she seriously dislikes her Mom and sees herself as the better option for him. (Which is not so surprising when you play both DF and the XS. It becomes quite obvious that for the Mom the daughter comes a far second behind her brother and is not hiding this favoritism much)
That the daughter is the proverbial Daddy´s Girl is equally made obvious, where it is heavily implied that her date for the dance is practically a younger version of the Dad.
I wrote it before, but one lost chance is when the Son accuses the Dad of spying on the Daughter, there is no option for the daughter to answer "He is allowed to" to shut her brother up, esp. when the siblings have not so good relations. The main cast is actually differingly aware of how close the Dad and Daughter are.
The Mom seems to know it only subconsciously, in how she treats her and unintendedly pushes to two even closer. The Son seems to acknowledge it(thinking that his sis is happier when close to the Dad), but denies it to himself (questioning why the Sis has no problem lying on her Dad in a "suspicious" position) and is jealous of her connection to the Dad to the point of nearly overreacting.
The Aunt is harder to read, but some things she says and does seem to imply that the aunt has recognised the feelings of Dad/Daughter and uses this to her own advantage, read torpedoing the marriage. Additionally, she likes the daughter and I would not be much surprised if the aunt would run some clandestine help for the daughter getting the Dad, if in the long run it helps her getting him once the daughter will find a husband of her own.
Karen is the one who most openly has recognised that there is something more between Dad/Daughter, but because she wnats him herself or better, wants him to deny him to the daughter, she is very much into manipulation. And since Karen, unlike her Mom, does not think her plans through it has already backfired spectacularly once and it looks like it will do so more later on. (It is heavily implied the daughter saw the "arrangement" Karen did, which she should not have seen.)
And this is the difference between someone that just skip text to get to the next image, and the one that follow the story -)

For all purpose, those that shooting down GD for bad characters/story etc, I think you proven them wrong with this.
 
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And this is the difference between someone that just skip text to get to the next image, and the one that follow the story -)

For all purpose, those that shooting down GD for bad characters/story etc, I think you proven them wrong with this.
I played this game for the first time recently, and I can assure you that there are flagrant issues with the story that anyone who has ever read actual literature would spot immediately. This game is glorified fan-fiction, with an increasingly smaller number of fans creating convoluted theories to fix the shitty story, just as they seem to be creating convoluted theories to avoid facing the reality of the scam perpetrated by the author.

I think you need to read more bud.
 

yandex

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And this is the difference between someone that just skip text to get to the next image, and the one that follow the story -)

For all purpose, those that shooting down GD for bad characters/story etc, I think you proven them wrong with this.
Ummmmmmm people dont shoot down GD for bad characters/story, they shoot him for not delivering the game.
 

Joshua Tree

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Ummmmmmm people dont shoot down GD for bad characters/story, they shoot him for not delivering the game.
I know, but there is those that been trashing the characters and story as well. Yet Turret manage to do a sort of in depth reflection of them/it. Which he necessary wouldn't done if he didn't pay attention to it.

I played this game for the first time recently, and I can assure you that there are flagrant issues with the story that anyone who has ever read actual literature would spot immediately. This game is glorified fan-fiction, with an increasingly smaller number of fans creating convoluted theories to fix the shitty story, just as they seem to be creating convoluted theories to avoid facing the reality of the scam perpetrated by the author.

I think you need to read more bud.
Should we hold every creator of adult game to the same standard we do authors of "actual" literature now? And what "actual" literature do you compare to? Because I read enough terrible books to know there is a lot of shitty authors out there as well. How about movies? tv shows, and so forth? Is a "professional" director the same as a successful movie? Compare like Peter Jackson with Uwe Boll.
 
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Should we hold every creator of adult game to the same standard we do authors of "actual" literature now? And what "actual" literature do you compare to? Because I read enough terrible books to know there is a lot of shitty authors out there as well. How about movies? tv shows, and so forth? Is a "professional" director the same as a successful movie? Compare like Peter Jackson with Uwe Boll.
I only used actual literature as a reference point. As I said, this game resembles fan-fiction. To see how bad the story of this game is, think about how terrible this game would be without the porn. I have seen high schoolers write better stories, but of course, those don't have porn.
 

Joshua Tree

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I only used actual literature as a reference point. As I said, this game resembles fan-fiction. To see how bad the story of this game is, think about how terrible this game would be without the porn. I have seen high schoolers write better stories, but of course, those don't have porn.
Yeah but actual literature as you put it, isn't necessary just as good as the next "actual" literature. You even say you seen high schoolers write better stories, and by a long stretch not like that "professional" authors. So doesn't it come down to taste and preference? You can point to flaws, loopholes, out of character and so forth in just about any literature.
 

SyddSparty

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Yeah but actual literature as you put it, isn't necessary just as good as the next "actual" literature. You even say you seen high schoolers write better stories, and by a long stretch not like that "professional" authors. So doesn't it come down to taste and preference? You can point to flaws, loopholes, out of character and so forth in just about any literature.
This is quite interesting. There may be certain things that may be subjective and down to preference however there are other aspects within literature that are objective. I dislike books. This however, doesn't mean that I don't read a story or two here and there, and even if some of these stories are not my preference I cannot deny that it was "well written". Preferences based on likes, what was done to the character and so on comes down to how well it was "showcased" in the reader's mind. I think in the end story telling is all about taking the reader on a journey, if you're successful in upholding that basic principle it is well written regardless of people's preferences. Its obviously a lot more complicated than this but what I'm trying to say is that there are some factors within said literature that can be objective.

Afterall, there is a reason good books are relatively successful for the most part. And that applies here as well, I have seen some people mock GD for his terrible storytelling which I've never really understood. I always loved the complexity and because I like his work is precisely why I'm so very bitter that it has been an eternity since he's updated the bloody game. Man is it frustrating...
 

Joshua Tree

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This is quite interesting. There may be certain things that may be subjective and down to preference however there are other aspects within literature that are objective. I dislike books. This however, doesn't mean that I don't read a story or two here and there, and even if some of these stories are not my preference I cannot deny that it was "well written". Preferences based on likes, what was done to the character and so on comes down to how well it was "showcased" in the reader's mind. I think in the end story telling is all about taking the reader on a journey, if you're successful in upholding that basic principle it is well written regardless of people's preferences. Its obviously a lot more complicated than this but what I'm trying to say is that there are some factors within said literature that can be objective.

Afterall, there is a reason good books are relatively successful for the most part. And that applies here as well, I have seen some people mock GD for his terrible storytelling which I've never really understood. I always loved the complexity and because I like his work is precisely why I'm so very bitter that it has been an eternity since he's updated the bloody game. Man is it frustrating...
All within its own genre though. Like people who hate sci-fi and fantasy stuff, wouldn't necessary find a book inside that genre good at any cost. While people who like such could marvel at it. Kind of with games, some aim towards the visuals and others more towards the story. A good story can take your brain along for the ride. Visuals is more like a brief flash in the dark.

I used to read a lot of books, but then internet came along and... not so much books any longer. Think I still have some library books dating back to early 2000 that might have picked up some overdue charge :p
 

Thickgravy49

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I played this for the first time just recently.
I found it to be dceidedly average.
Personally I really don't care if it ever gets updated. I don't know what all the fuss is about, to be honest.
Page after page of crying over the non-appearance of the update.
Wake up and smell the coffee, people. It's done. Get over it.
As for that Joshua Tree guy...can you please shut the fuck up?
Your costant rebukes to anyone who attempts to crticise this Gumdrop guy are boring and tiresome on a truly epic scale.
 

lostraven

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And this is the difference between someone that just skip text to get to the next image, and the one that follow the story -)

For all purpose, those that shooting down GD for bad characters/story etc, I think you proven them wrong with this.
The writing isn't criticized because it's badly written, I certainly didn't notice any glaring spelling errors or illogical sentences...But it does come across as overtly pretentious. Like, 'American Beauty' Paper bag blowing in the breeze pretentious. Because it wants to say something deeper about life and the human condition...but really doesn't know how to. I always thought the game is in a sort of identity crisis to be honest. When it first started, it was 'far' more occupied on the sexual elements, now it wants to be an emotional drama, it's why the rape with the aunt scene is so jarring, it's a scene that no longer fits in the type of game it 'wants' to be.

Oh and anyone whose here for anything other than the 'memes' is in the wrong place.
 

Joshua Tree

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The writing isn't criticized because it's badly written, I certainly didn't notice any glaring spelling errors or illogical sentences...But it does come across as overtly pretentious. Like, 'American Beauty' Paper bag blowing in the breeze pretentious. Because it wants to say something deeper about life and the human condition...but really doesn't know how to. I always thought the game is in a sort of identity crisis to be honest. When it first started, it was 'far' more occupied on the sexual elements, now it wants to be an emotional drama, it's why the rape with the aunt scene is so jarring, it's a scene that no longer fits in the type of game it 'wants' to be.

Oh and anyone whose here for anything other than the 'memes' is in the wrong place.
Funny you mention "American Beauty", that is an awesome movie. Regardless of how people rate Kevin Spacey these days.
In regard of the aunt scene, it could been added just for shock value though, to break up the monotony a bit. Also, it's clear GD didn't have a complete story to tell from start. It's more of evolving as you go along. That is a fault many of these games have though. They might start out good/strong and then run itself into a ditch. Also when creators try to make more "real life" like stories, the lack of their own rl experience sometimes shine through. Take the game "wife and a mother" as example. It set out good but now it kind of trainwrecked itself. Where the game "Haley's story" manage the real life spin quite well in regard of story and character development.
 
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Triclone

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We are at 1 year without an update, who is responsible for not marking this abandoned??? This thread should be locked, or deleted.
It's "on hold" for a reason. Creator is reworking the game, better renders, adding animations and so on. There is an update at the end of the christmas special.
 
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