Ren'Py Abandoned Duality [v0.1.8] [Per<3rsioN]

[PRTech]

Many people have made this point about a lot of developers. However, unless you're a developer living a normal life and doing this as a side gig it takes time to create the story/plots/renders and such. This is def a pretty good good. If the audience likes it, they will keep supporting the dev even if progress is slow.

If you are a developer and are asking people to "SUPPORT" you in the development of a game and they commit and support them with their hard earned cash, then DEVs have a obligation to work on the game and provide constant updates. If a developer are developing games as a "SIDE GIG" then don't ask for support with outrageous tier levels that are above $20.

I'm noticing many devs act just like scanky onlyfans girls, give them your money and hope you might get anything from them.

 

[slavbruh]

Many people have made this point about a lot of developers. However, unless you're a developer living a normal life and doing this as a side gig it takes time to create the story/plots/renders and such. This is def a pretty good good. If the audience likes it, they will keep supporting the dev even if progress is slow.

What's your point, are you justifying the fact that patrons fund it like a job? If so, a 9 to 5 job in rendering and development may be much more transparent. Would patrons be able to see activity presented in new lines of code or pictures every day/week — that would indicate that they do really fund a 9 to 5 job. But if it's a 2-3 hours per day at best, then why pay for it on a subscription basis. I'd gladly pay donate, would I be able to confirm that what's done here is a job and treated as one.

 

[wd1111]

What's your point, are you justifying the fact that patrons fund it like a job? If so, a 9 to 5 job in rendering and development may be much more transparent. Would patrons be able to see activity presented in new lines of code or pictures every day/week — that would indicate that they do really fund a 9 to 5 job. But if it's a 2-3 hours per day at best, then why pay for it on a subscription basis. I'd gladly pay donate, would I be able to confirm that what's done here is a job and treated as one.

it has been mentioned in another thread, that perhaps the situation is that the "dev" owning the patreon (the project as a whole), isn't actually doing anything apart from managing the project, not trying to imply that it is mostly the case, but it would explain a few things, so they need a certain amount up-front to pay the 3d artist, the writer, the coder, hence updates taking months and months to do, even really short ones, like 20 setups then rendered from 5 different cameras and calling it 100 renders (which in reality takes 2-3 days at the very most), not being able to (or taking very long time to) come up with patches to code bugs (meaning the person doing the coding isn't doing anything till he gets payed), story writing is another thing, though it is difficult to judge Duality, since there seems to be no major arc in the story really, the dude got set up in the city at the aunts place, the family moved to a new home, and that is basically it, rest is just bill cosbying around the locations trying to score

 

[slavbruh]

it has been mentioned in another thread, that perhaps the situation is that the "dev" owning the patreon (the project as a whole), isn't actually doing anything apart from managing the project, not trying to imply that it is mostly the case, but it would explain a few things, so they need a certain amount up-front to pay the 3d artist, the writer, the coder, hence updates taking months and months to do, even really short ones, like 20 setups then rendered from 5 different cameras and calling it 100 renders (which in reality takes 2-3 days at the very most), not being able to (or taking very long time to) come up with patches to code bugs (meaning the person doing the coding isn't doing anything till he gets payed), story writing is another thing, though it is difficult to judge Duality, since there seems to be no major arc in the story really, the dude got set up in the city at the aunts place, the family moved to a new home, and that is basically it, rest is just bill cosbying around the locations trying to score

haha. you just outed yourself, you're employed by Per<3rsioN ?

regarding your "put yourself in their shoes", i can tell funding them on a subscr-based level is okay but only and only if they guarantee clear delivery schedule (aka minor update every 4 weeks) because they are on a payroll.

i mean, if you hire people, then the lewd game is a product that you create for profit.

i subbed on 15 of Aug when beta was announced, and there was only 1/4 of goals achieved. in real world, something like this is called alpha as it lacks key features that are scheduled to be delivered. mind, i took what's called an elite tier to be able to get my hands on the "beta" 7 days before the release. yet, i didn't even get the final product for the money i payed.

in fact, if i pay $10 and the developer cannot deliver in managed timespan, i feel like i'm entitled to still get the build 7 days before it gets public for free while not being charged by Patreon. Animopron guy was doing this 1 or 2 times. this is good work ethic.
and if Duality is an ensemble, it's Per<3rsioN to manage such hiccups and do the part of customer care.

but sure, no pressure.

 

[PRTech]

it has been mentioned in another thread, that perhaps the situation is that the "dev" owning the patreon (the project as a whole), isn't actually doing anything apart from managing the project, not trying to imply that it is mostly the case, but it would explain a few things, so they need a certain amount up-front to pay the 3d artist, the writer, the coder, hence updates taking months and months to do, even really short ones, like 20 setups then rendered from 5 different cameras and calling it 100 renders (which in reality takes 2-3 days at the very most), not being able to (or taking very long time to) come up with patches to code bugs (meaning the person doing the coding isn't doing anything till he gets payed), story writing is another thing, though it is difficult to judge Duality, since there seems to be no major arc in the story really, the dude got set up in the city at the aunts place, the family moved to a new home, and that is basically it, rest is just bill cosbying around the locations trying to score

"so they need a certain amount up-front to pay the 3d artist, the writer, the coder, hence updates taking months and months to do". You just described a working staff (small company) to develop a game. You don't use Patreon to fund what could be described a small company, and if you do have 3d artist, the writer, and coder you should be able to come up with constant update lot faster then one person.

If you going to develop with a team, then the team needs to buildup the game and stay constant and not worry about how much they are making with Patreon, if the game is good and liked then the support will come. BUT the problem here is that many developers want instant money gratifications and come up with schemes like "When Support reaches certain amount of $$$ then we will do this or that and that is not asking for support but a bribery.

 

[incest lover m/s]

is this game abandoned?


I think they forgot to put the abandoned banner in this game lol

 

[wei26446145]

Let people wait too long

 

[F4iunyl3x]

As a patreon since several months, I'm getting bored with the wait, especially since the content doesn't seem worth the extra delay.

I enjoyed sharing patreon posts and teasers here but i'll consider cancel my subscription if it goes on like this for the next update.

 

[Deleted member 4716251]

Five things science still can’t explain.

1- "Why Duality is sandbox?"
2- "Why Duality is sandbox?"
3- "Why Duality is sandbox?"
4- "Why Duality is sandbox?"
5- "Why Duality is sandbox?"

 

[buktccbfc71]

It's a pity.

 

[VelocityRyuga]

As a patreon since several months, I'm getting bored with the wait, especially since the content doesn't seem worth the extra delay.

I enjoyed sharing patreon posts and teasers here but i'll consider cancel my subscription if it goes on like this for the next update.

Tier 3 patron here myself, not saying it to brag or anything(assuming it's even something to brag about lol). I respect you taking the effort to keep the community here updated and wanted to further shed some more light as I'm not aware what tier you, and other patrons, are on (beta testing has been open for 3 weeks now).

Most of the new content had already been put out to the beta testers, except for one final scene. The dev then stated that he wouldn't be active as much as he wanted to go on a spree and finish the entire update asap. In the first week, new scenes were added for the beta testers one by one, but have not got anything since, nor have we heard anything about that final scene/overall update.

My point is, given how much of the content I was able to test the game for (2.5 weeks ago), it seems absurd that the final game is not out yet for anyone. I too love the game, and was initially impressed with how much the dev communicated with his patrons, made pledging worth it but currently, I am losing my faith. Really feel bad for the remaining patrons who haven't been part of the beta testing and are still waiting in the dark.

 

[DarkLoki]

Five things science still can’t explain.

1- "Why Duality is sandbox?"
2- "Why Duality is sandbox?"
3- "Why Duality is sandbox?"
4- "Why Duality is sandbox?"
5- "Why Duality is sandbox?"

Maybe it's me, but I think this works very well as a sandbox. You have nice progression and if you make different choices you get different results. I have a few concerns about this game, but being a sandbox is not one of them

 

[slavbruh]

The dev then stated that he wouldn't be active as much as he wanted to go on a spree and finish the entire update asap.

Were any reason mentioned?

 

[F4iunyl3x]

Tier 3 patron here myself, not saying it to brag or anything(assuming it's even something to brag about lol). I respect you taking the effort to keep the community here updated and wanted to further shed some more light as I'm not aware what tier you, and other patrons, are on (beta testing has been open for 3 weeks now).

Most of the new content had already been put out to the beta testers, except for one final scene. The dev then stated that he wouldn't be active as much as he wanted to go on a spree and finish the entire update asap. In the first week, new scenes were added for the beta testers one by one, but have not got anything since, nor have we heard anything about that final scene/overall update.

My point is, given how much of the content I was able to test the game for (2.5 weeks ago), it seems absurd that the final game is not out yet for anyone. I too love the game, and was initially impressed with how much the dev communicated with his patrons, made pledging worth it but currently, I am losing my faith. Really feel bad for the remaining patrons who haven't been part of the beta testing and are still waiting in the dark.

i'm tier 2 patron at this moment.

your last paragraph sums up my thoughts perfectly
i've seen too many games that I loved fall like that.

 

[huy7644]

When update !!

 

[BurnerGuy]

Maybe it's me, but I think this works very well as a sandbox. You have nice progression and if you make different choices you get different results. I have a few concerns about this game, but being a sandbox is not one of them

I've never understood the blanket complaints about sandbox. VN's barely fit the definition of "game" at all, and are more closely related to a slideshow or PowerPoint presentation but with porn. There's no challenge in just clicking clicking clicking then making a choice every now and then. Yeah, there are some poorly designed sandbox games out there, but I'll take one of those over a poorly designed VN any day.

 

[GoldenEagle]

I've never understood the blanket complaints about sandbox. VN's barely fit the definition of "game" at all, and are more closely related to a slideshow or PowerPoint presentation but with porn. There's no challenge in just clicking clicking clicking then making a choice every now and then. Yeah, there are some poorly designed sandbox games out there, but I'll take one of those over a poorly designed VN any day.

Personally I don’t have an issue with sandbox games, but it sounds like you’ve just described why others don’t like it. As you said, VNs barely fit the definition of a game which is why I’d assume some of the people into VNs aren’t exactly there to play something with any in-depth mechanics, but rather just simply watch. And I can understand the frustration at times when you have to wait for a certain day, at a certain time, after completing a certain task, just to talk to a character (especially when there’s no clear directions or any guides ).

 

[Deleted member 4716251]

I've never understood the blanket complaints about sandbox. VN's barely fit the definition of "game" at all, and are more closely related to a slideshow or PowerPoint presentation but with porn. There's no challenge in just clicking clicking clicking then making a choice every now and then. Yeah, there are some poorly designed sandbox games out there, but I'll take one of those over a poorly designed VN any day.

Sandbox > VN > Fake Sandbox

And, this game is clearly fake sandbox...

 

[FloppySausage]

I've never understood the blanket complaints about sandbox. VN's barely fit the definition of "game" at all, and are more closely related to a slideshow or PowerPoint presentation but with porn. There's no challenge in just clicking clicking clicking then making a choice every now and then. Yeah, there are some poorly designed sandbox games out there, but I'll take one of those over a poorly designed VN any day.

Man was I glad when they finally introduced the VN tag, I've been avoiding them like AIDs.

 

[ifss]

Sandbox > VN > Fake Sandbox

And, this game is clearly fake sandbox...

Nobody cares if this is a fake or a sandbox after setting their eyes on June.