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Are elves supposed to be massive in this game? Anasteya's sprite makes Jorun look short
Wouldn't say it's the case for elves in general, but Anasteya herself is just meant to be very tall. As the drawing noob that I am, my efforts to show this in the art have been all over the place in the past, and so in the end it showed mostly by making the protagonist look small. But the protagonist should be something between 175-180 cm tall, with Anasteya around 190. The difference in height is particularly jarring since Anasteya is thicc while the MC is a skinny bitch - but he will gradually start picking up muscle in a few episodes from now. But back to Jorun - I think Anasteya would make everyone except the Ealdorman look short tbh.

Anyway, the heights have been all over the place but I'll be looking into correcting that in the future and keeping it consistent.

Also, love seeing you guys theorize! (y)
 

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Hey. I don't know if this was mentioned already but I won't read what's above cause the few I read had spoilers so I stopped. So, I decided NOT to teach Becky how to read but he still teaches her.

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Hey. I don't know if this was mentioned already but I won't read what's above cause the few I read had spoilers so I stopped. So, I decided NOT to teach Becky how to read but he still teaches her.

Thank you.
Sorry about that! Looking at the code, it's a pretty careless mistake. I'll fix it, but it won't affect your playthrough in any way in the future - the variable for "teaching Becky" still knows that you decided not to, I just didn't divert the path accordingly.

Thanks for reporting that!
 
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Perfect S

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Thinking back on this update one thing that I hope changes, that it seems like it is headed in that direction, is that Sunny develops some confidence/sense of control. I love the burgeoning relationship between her and MC but the MC is still too much her savior.

I feel like something needs to happen where the MC is wounded/poisoned and the mother isn't around and it forces Sunny to develop her healing tonic she's been working on to save him so that their relationship can move forward as equals rather than this kind of lingering feeling I have right now of " well of course she loves him he rescued her as an orphan and saved her life". Especially since this "its okay if you like the barmaid....and the blacksmith.... and my only other friend" is clearly coming from a lack of self confidence rather than true love/confidence in their relationship being able to persist through the MC have a few trysts.

The story clearly has a lot of room to grow so I have no doubt therre is still a lot of character growth left for Sunny/MC but I would prefer it happen before they fully consummate their relationship.

The game does a lot of things really well especially capturing the excitement of exploring ones first relationship that is often absent in other stories because almost all male MC's on this site are huge whores :p
If anything I would say that the MC himself is in need of some power-level boost. 4 episodes in and he still fails to kill a lowly bandit in an ambush. He can't even save himself. Don't know how he can be anyone's "savior" for now. Sunny is developing at a good pace. Like the blacksmith said, she's gonna fail many times before succeeding, which makes it more impactful. Or would you rather she be a Mary Sue, instantly succeeding at everything?
 

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If anything I would say that the MC himself is in need of some power-level boost. 4 episodes in and he still fails to kill a lowly bandit in an ambush. He can't even save himself. Don't know how he can be anyone's "savior" for now. Sunny is developing at a good pace. Like the blacksmith said, she's gonna fail many times before succeeding, which makes it more impactful. Or would you rather she be a Mary Sue, instantly succeeding at everything?
Bandits aren't a category of level 1 mobs that you farm for XP in Elvensang. Some of them might be peasants with no fighting experience, sure - but many of them are former soldiers or "professional" raiders. And it's supposed to be a grounded setting, not Skyrim where you walk out of the first village and casually kill 5 people. Killing someone will leave a dent - and while it will get easier after the first time, the ease of taking someone else's life should not come without some adverse effects IMO.

That said, the MC is a severe underdog in just about every fight, but that's a part of the progress on the journey to earning power - not losing heart even against overwhelming odds (and there's already variations in how he performs in combat situations depending on previous choices). Besides, he's gonna fail many times before succeeding, which makes it more impactful. Or would you rather he be a Gary Stu, instantly succeeding at everything?;)

In all seriousness, it does make me sad at times how often people overlook the small steps he takes on the path to becoming stronger!
 

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Bandits aren't a category of level 1 mobs that you farm for XP in Elvensang. Some of them might be peasants with no fighting experience, sure - but many of them are former soldiers or "professional" raiders. And it's supposed to be a grounded setting, not Skyrim where you walk out of the first village and casually kill 5 people. Killing someone will leave a dent - and while it will get easier after the first time, the ease of taking someone else's life should not come without some adverse effects IMO.

That said, the MC is a severe underdog in just about every fight, but that's a part of the progress on the journey to earning power - not losing heart even against overwhelming odds (and there's already variations in how he performs in combat situations depending on previous choices). Besides, he's gonna fail many times before succeeding, which makes it more impactful. Or would you rather he be a Gary Stu, instantly succeeding at everything?;)

In all seriousness, it does make me sad at times how often people overlook the small steps he takes on the path to becoming stronger!
Of course, making MC the underdog (specially in the beginning) is a great decision. No one likes a power trip fantasy. I was just pointing out it would feel out of place for Sunny to suddenly become god-tier.
I love me some classic hero's journey. Becoming slowly stronger etc. If the writing quality keeps this high, I'm curious to see how powerful the characters can get by the end.
 
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desmosome

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I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but there seems to be a bug towards the end of the update.

Code:
S "Alright, then... and Trisha..."
"Sunny stopped in her tracks - the black-haired girl turned to her, head curiously tilted."
$ ep4_trenespurletter = False
if ep4_trenespurletter == True:
    show sunny frown
    "Sunny lowered her head, her conscience ridden with guilt for a reason the black-haired girl was oblivious to."
    Sx "\"I really enjoyed spending the day with you. I just wanted you to know that... - that I will always do anything I can to help you, and... y-yeah. Thank you for... for everything.\""
else:
    S "I really enjoyed spending the day with you. Thank you for... for everything..."
"Trisha smiled fondly before leaning in to embrace Sunny. The red-haired girl blinked in surprise at first - but then happily returned the gesture."
scene 45_ep4_tshug
The game forcibly sets trenespurletter to false at this point.
 

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I don't know if this has been mentioned yet, but there seems to be a bug towards the end of the update.

Code:
S "Alright, then... and Trisha..."
"Sunny stopped in her tracks - the black-haired girl turned to her, head curiously tilted."
$ ep4_trenespurletter = False
if ep4_trenespurletter == True:
    show sunny frown
    "Sunny lowered her head, her conscience ridden with guilt for a reason the black-haired girl was oblivious to."
    Sx "\"I really enjoyed spending the day with you. I just wanted you to know that... - that I will always do anything I can to help you, and... y-yeah. Thank you for... for everything.\""
else:
    S "I really enjoyed spending the day with you. Thank you for... for everything..."
"Trisha smiled fondly before leaning in to embrace Sunny. The red-haired girl blinked in surprise at first - but then happily returned the gesture."
scene 45_ep4_tshug
The game forcibly sets trenespurletter to false at this point.
Uhh, that's really bad. Thanks for the report
 
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Actually, I guess it's not that bad - it changes nothing except dialogue in this episode, so I'll just add a menu at the start of the next episode asking if you gave the letter to Trenespur or Trisha and it's sorted
 

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Man, I have no words to describe this VN. I don't think there is any other game on this site that manages to capture the essence of epic fantasy novels as closely as this. It's not even really about the game being "story-first" or "slow burn." Sure, those aspects will certainly help in presenting the game as something more serious than a porn story, but the actual quality of the prose, progression of events, and the overall world building is what really sets this apart.

It's so incredibly rare for me to commit fully to role playing the character in any game I play. I am a power gaming munchkin in cRPGs and full evil corruption router in good/evil porn games. This game though... the way it's been presented just makes me consider all the lore/characters and make choices that feel right for the MC in any given situation.

My baseline for the MC was that he is a naive sheltered boy who still has a strong resolve and self esteem. He has a sense of justice but is also pragmatic. He experiences the racial divide first hand but also found genuine friendship among the humans. Essentially, what I felt the most natural from his childhood expeirences and his mother's guidance was for him to not be swayed so easily by Amaya's zeal. In practical terms, she indeed was the bad guy and the one disturbing the peace of his hometown. I took the middle road when confronting her though. Basically, he didn't hate humans or elves as a whole. From there, it was natural that he would be awed by the elven history and look towards a hopeful future where his kind can coexist in this land. My MC wouldn't have a reason to try and be duplicitous with the Ealdorman. He would try to win his approval and use the advancement of his position to pave a better world for the elves. As hard as it was, this MC would have given the letter to the Ealdorman.

So I have already made multiple choices that seemingly goes against several "love interests," something I very rarely do. However, being the lover of corruption stories as I am, I did pick all options that pull the MC towards the demon. I was glad these choices never broke character and stayed reasonable. The MC is an inquisitive kid and his curious yet cautious response during the encounters made sense.

If this was an average game on F95zone, I would have probably gone for an Elf Hitler playthrough (not that I'm expecting siding with the elves would lead to a less convincing story). And I can almost see the possible story progression where the MC's idealistic path towards a better future is shattered, if not by the Ealdorman himself (in his own justified way), then by the surrounding humans. I would love to see a situation in which the demon becomes the pragmatic answer, even though it will eventually lead to his corruption.

Anyways, what I'm very hopeful about is the constant challenges to our world view as we wrestle with hard choices down the line. The world building is incredibly convincing, and this grey world where no side is clearly in the right is like a playground for role players.

--------------------------------------------

As for my impressions on Episode 4, it was phenomenal. Maybe the best episode so far. As long as it took, the amount of content did not disappoint. There were several points in the update where I was certain that it would end there, but the next day came lol. There was quite a huge foreshadowing or hints about mom's true identity. The event where they visit the old Elven ruins was extremely powerful. The audio is absolutely perfectly executed in this game. It's great that there isn't a constant looping default track, but scene appropriate music comes up during important events. The environmental sounds are nice as well.

I'm not a huge fan of feet and femdom, so I didn't indulge Trisha's teasing all the way, but I enjoyed her character. As with every other character, she has quite a lot of depth. Becky and the Blacksmith had their moments. I like submissive girls so I'm not bothered by Sunny's low self-esteem like some other posters. That said, since I did commit to playing this not as a coomer, but as the MC, I do want to help her grow as a person. I really liked the clumsy teenage romance they shared. Finally, the ending cliffhanger was awesome. Loved that art.

Maybe a few minor critiques to end things. People snort a lot in this universe lol. If you are unconsciously writing the snorts, maybe mix it up a little bit more. I think there might be some experimentation with the art style. I noticed several different styles throughout the chapter. Honestly, they all look good to me, but it would help to try and develop a unified style. That said, I personally hope that the art isn't the bottleneck in the development of this game. The quality of the art so far is absolutely good enough. This style resembling watercolors is pleasing to look at.
 
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Maybe a few minor critiques to end things. People snort a lot in this universe lol. If you are unconsciously writing the snorts, maybe mix it up a little bit more. I think there might be some experimentation with the art style. I noticed several different styles throughout the chapter. Honestly, they all look good to me, but it would help to try and develop a unified style. That said, I personally hope that the art isn't the bottleneck in the development of this game. The quality of the art so far is absolutely good enough. This style resembling watercolors is pleasing to look at.
I definitely need to rein in my tendencies when it comes to snorting and "browplay" (furrowing, perking, arching, etc). As for the art, I think I just improved a bunch while working on the episode itself over the months - the cuddle scene in the morning of the last day was drawn in march, and the final scene with Sunny was drawn last month. But we'll see how long the development of ep 5 takes, I've learned quite a bit in terms of workflow while working on the last update.

Thank you for the post, always a pleasure to read your thoughts!
 
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I want to echo everyone's sentiments that this visual novel is amazing. It is extremely well-written, both in characters and in setting up the world and handles different decisions well. I generally like the art as well.

I do have a suggestion since it seems it may be awhile between updates -
Is there any way to give people returning to the game a synopsis of what happened previously? It took me awhile to remember all the characters, their names, and what they had done. The codex was very helpful, but something like a paragraph or three summary of each chapter would help people get right back in.

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I want to echo everyone's sentiments that this visual novel is amazing. It is extremely well-written, both in characters and in setting up the world and handles different decisions well. I generally like the art as well.

I do have a suggestion since it seems it may be awhile between updates -
Is there any way to give people returning to the game a synopsis of what happened previously? It took me awhile to remember all the characters, their names, and what they had done. The codex was very helpful, but something like a paragraph or three summary of each chapter would help people get right back in.

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That could be a helpful addition, but we will see - if I am not mistaken, the development time of each episode before ep 4 was 3-4 months, so episode 4 was hopefully an exception. If it's taking so long, some kind of a "Previously on Elvensang..." summary could be handy for sure.

As for your question:
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I definitely need to rein in my tendencies when it comes to snorting and "browplay" (furrowing, perking, arching, etc). As for the art, I think I just improved a bunch while working on the episode itself over the months - the cuddle scene in the morning of the last day was drawn in march, and the final scene with Sunny was drawn last month. But we'll see how long the development of ep 5 takes, I've learned quite a bit in terms of workflow while working on the last update.

Thank you for the post, always a pleasure to read your thoughts!
At least it wasn't braid tugging again. Had enough of that one :LOL:
 
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Just an amazing update. Unexpectedly, I liked it even more than the prologue, which before that, for me, was the standard of quality.
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Very good update. Like reading a nice wholesome book. I'm fond of not rushed and thoughtful pace and at the same time quite an active mc. Putting attention on differentiation of the feelings and characters being considerate reads great, but not too believable, though I can feel it on the contrast of those tons of hentai and pornhwas I consume. Author's doing great job imo!
 
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