VN Ren'Py Eruption Imminent [v0.4.0] [MorriganRae]

[TheLecher]

Just because most of the characters shown are white doesn't mean it's demographic, it could mean the dev has their preference.

Sure, it could mean that the dev has a preference. If so, there's nothing wrong with that. If it is a matter of dev preference, then the dev has as much right to a preference as you do. In that case, I wouldn't expect the ratios to change, nor would I want them to change.

That being said, I'm not aware of any reason for assuming that the dev has such a preference.

It is impossible for a civilization to have an ethnicity that prevails so much over others, unless some messed up history has happened recently

This is simply incorrect. It's not "sort of" incorrect or "mostly" incorrect. It's just incorrect, full stop. There are multiple civilizations existing on earth today which have almost total statistical dominance by a single ethnic group. And if we look back through history, we find that it's actually more common to have a single ethnicity dominant in civilizations than it is to have statistically significant ethnic diversity.

(you know what I'm talking about).

No, I do not.

So no, it's not realistic.

Yes, it is realistic. But instead of just contradicting you without offering any data, which is what you just did to me, I'll offer you some verifiable figures.

This game takes place in a fictional world, and does not take place in the US or the UK or Germany, or any other real world nation, so we can't assume that all of the demographics will be identical, but let's take US demographics as just one example of an ethnically diverse Western civilization (since the setting of the game is clearly modeled on Western cultures).

In the US, as of 2019, the demographics for racial prevalence in the population were as follows (from highest concentration to lowest):

1. White - 60.1%
2. Hispanic - 18.5%
3. Black - 12.2%
4. Asian - 5.6%
5. Mixed race - 2.8%
6. American Indian - 0.7%
7. Pacific Islander - 0.2%

Note that these numbers work out to 100.1%, so there's clearly some margin of error, as should be expected. But, given these numbers, this means that out of every 10 people, you can expect the following:

• 6 white people
• 2 Hispanic people
• 1 black person
• 0 Asian people, because you get 1 Asian per 20 people
• 0 mixed race people, because you get 1 mixed race person per 33 people
• 0 American Indians, because you get 1 American Indian per 142 people
• 0 Pacific Islanders, because you get 1 Pacific Islander per 500 people

Now, let's consider the characters in the game, so far. I won't consider the unnamed background characters, or the characters who appear only in media (news, porn, etc.). I am counting the black bartender on the beach, whose name has not yet been given, because Morrigan has said on her Discord server that we'll be seeing this character again in the future. I'm not counting Stella, as she only appears on the Cuckquean route. Kimmy (Ashe's drug dealer) is a bit ambiguous. Judging by looks alone, she could be Hispanic, Asian, or American Indian. She could also be mixed race. Since Hispanic is the most common of those four, I'm opting for that, until we have better information. So far, we have:

• 18 white characters
• 1 Hispanic characters
• 1 black character
• 2 Asian characters
• 0 mixed race characters
• 0 American Indian characters
• 0 Pacific Islander characters

So far, we have 82% white, 5% Hispanic, 5% black, and 10% Asian. Obviously, this means that white and Asian are over-represented among the game characters, so far, and Hispanic and black are under-represented, so far, if we apply the demographics for the US as a nation. So why do I say that the demographics shown in the game are realistic? That's easy. It's because those demographics represent the average for the nation as a whole, not for any specific area. And that's not how it works in the real world. People tend to know a disproportionately high number of people of their own race. If you're a black person living in the US, black people are likely to make up much more than 12.2% of your personal acquaintances, even if you live in an area where blacks are only 12.2% of the population. Also, certain areas are settled by much higher concentrations of different ethnicities. The US city of Jackson, Mississippi is 80% black, as opposed to the 12.2% national average. Honolulu, Hawaii (a US state in the Pacific, where you would expect the highest concentration of Pacific Islanders) is 54.8% Asian, and only 8.4% Pacific Islander.

So, given that Ashe is white, and her family is white, and she's living in a predominantly white culture, it's completely realistic for white characters to make up the vast majority of the named characters in the game.

But again, I don't think you're really after what's realistic. I think you're after something else.

 

[MorriganRae]

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I just wanna add some things in response to a couple of comments I've seen...

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[MorriganRae]

Our female pronoun does not really make sense if there is no contrasting form, not unlike a lone 'Yin' without its 'Yang'. It's a relic from how we do it in English, and in our reality - but for their world and society it makes not much sense because they apparently do not even know what a man is.

Maybe it's easier to wrap your head around with the term Goddess: The -ess suffix denotes the semantic feature of "female, as distinct from male". Actress, heiress, lioness, and so on. But a culture that has no male form (or really a concept of men) would not need to attach that particular semantic feature since it carries no meaning in that society - the distinction is not necessary, it lacks a reason to be there. It would make much more sense if they had their own word instead one that requires the presence of the male genus to make sense.

As said: I don't think it's a big issue - it's just a small incongruency in world building, and one that would take a bit of thought and effort to solve, because the thought structure of the audience, and the thought structure of the persons in the story (edit: and through that, their use of language), are somewhat different: Their main line of gender distinction is not male/female, but female/futa. If they address that distinction in their language use, it would make more sense along that line instead of ours.

The story takes place in a fictional city, in a fictional country, in a fictional world. There is no English language in this world. You can interpret this whole thing as a translation of a fictional language.

And as an aside: Who says females and futas are different genders in this world? Gender is not the same as sex. From what we've seen, most of either sex are presenting as women, no matter what genitals they have. Gendered pronouns make sense if you can identify someone's gender with a glance in most of cases. Not so much if you have to grope their crotch to find out .

 

[MrDaddyFox]

Is there a way to play this game on mobile/Android?

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

The story takes place in a fictional city, in a fictional country, in a fictional world. There is no English language in this world. You can interpret this whole thing as a translation of a fictional language.

And as an aside: Who says females and futas are different genders in this world? Gender is not the same as sex. From what we've seen, most of either sex are presenting as women, no matter what genitals they have. Gendered pronouns make sense if you can identify someone's gender with a glance in most of cases. Not so much if you have to grope their crotch to find out .

Thanks for saying this. It is nice when this kind of afirmation comes from the developers themselves. It sure will save us some off topic nonsense (and a mods intervention) that usually happens when some users start leaking their own bias to say the least.

The routes will also offer some unique problem-solving opportunities and reactions that are not directly tied to sexual content.

This i like a lot. Sure hope my Siren Ashe will be more proactive in solving her issues with the two stalkers, Natasha and Anon.

 

[Kontralta]

Hey people

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I just wanna add some things in response to a couple of comments I've seen...

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Thanks for the explanation. If the plot and scenes remain such that they depend on the player’s further choices, and not on the chosen path, except for the little things, I think everyone will be happy.

 

[Kontralta]

There is no English language in this world.

Hmm, but they have english names.

 

[Dessolos]

Hmm, but they have english names.

probably uses English names and words so we the players can understand the game. But their world in reality doesn't use English. Be kind of like the Tardis from Doctor Who with how it makes everything appear English for the doctor's companions but in reality nothing is. At least that's how I see it after reading that post from the dev.

 

[Kontralta]

probably uses English names and words so we the players can understand the game. But their world in reality doesn't use English. Be kind of like the Tardis from Doctor Who with how it makes everything appear English for the doctor's companions but in reality nothing is. At least that's how I see it after reading that post from the dev.

All that remains is to find the Doctor there.

 

[clrgm]

Sure, it could mean that the dev has a preference. If so, there's nothing wrong with that. If it is a matter of dev preference, then the dev has as much right to a preference as you do. In that case, I wouldn't expect the ratios to change, nor would I want them to change.

That being said, I'm not aware of any reason for assuming that the dev has such a preference.



This is simply incorrect. It's not "sort of" incorrect or "mostly" incorrect. It's just incorrect, full stop. There are multiple civilizations existing on earth today which have almost total statistical dominance by a single ethnic group. And if we look back through history, we find that it's actually more common to have a single ethnicity dominant in civilizations than it is to have statistically significant ethnic diversity.

Because of the influence of the US on the Western world that this fictional world was invented, what I did and everyone else who played the game was an automatic common sense association. So, if I see elements in the US that I don't see present in a fictional world that ressembles it, I'll miss them. That's why I say it's not realistic.

 

[Kontralta]

Because of the influence of the US on the Western world that this fictional world was invented, what I did and everyone else who played the game was an automatic common sense association. So, if I see elements in the US that I don't see present in a fictional world that ressembles it, I'll miss them. That's why I say it's not realistic.

But the world of the game is not the USA, and not the Western world.

 

[TheLecher]

Because of the influence of the US on the Western world that this fictional world was invented, what I did and everyone else who played the game was an automatic common sense association. So, if I see elements in the US that I don't see present in a fictional world that ressembles it, I'll miss them. That's why I say it's not realistic.

But it's still realistic.

As I pointed out in my previous post, even if you make a 1:1 comparison with the US, you need to understand that the national average is just that, an average taken for the whole nation, and that it doesn't exactly correspond with every state, or every major metropolitan area. In one part of the US, you don't get 6 white people for every 10 people, you get 9.99 white people for every 10. In other parts of the US, you get 8 black people for every 10 people. In other parts of the us, you get 7 Asian people for every 10 people. You are more likely to find numbers which lean one way or the other than you are to find numbers which exactly line up with the average. And, in terms of numbers leaning one way, there are more areas which lean heavily white than areas which lean in any other direction.

All of this means that the ethnic ratios which we see in Eruption Imminent are realistic, even if we are comparing them to real numbers in the US. And they become even more realistic when you realize that, in this game, we are looking at Ashe's circle of acquaintance, not the total demographic breakdown of the city where she lives. Even if this city exactly lined up with the demographics of the US, it's still far from certain that Ashe's personal acquaintance will break down along the same lines. In fact, I would say that it's unlikely.

 

[dolfe67]

But the world of the game is not the USA, and not the Western world.

It's not the USA, but it's like the western world (people are mostly caucasians, what housing looks like, etc.)

 

[dolfe67]

The story takes place in a fictional city, in a fictional country, in a fictional world. There is no English language in this world. You can interpret this whole thing as a translation of a fictional language.

And as an aside: Who says females and futas are different genders in this world? Gender is not the same as sex. From what we've seen, most of either sex are presenting as women, no matter what genitals they have. Gendered pronouns make sense if you can identify someone's gender with a glance in most of cases. Not so much if you have to grope their crotch to find out .

That concept is hard to grasp to me. If there is no gender, why using "she" and not "he"? Just for us the readers?

And what if someone is only interested by the opposite sex, or want to reproduce? They have to know if their love interest has the opposite sex. So it would be good to be able to identify them without having to grope their crotch to find out. But I guess just looking at their crotch is enough in most cases if they wear tight pants. Harder if they wear skirts.

Just thinking out loud, nothing else.

 

[Kontralta]

It's not the USA, but it's like the western world (people are mostly caucasians, what housing looks like, etc.)

This is a fictional world. And even in our world, сaucasians live far beyond the West.

 

[Kontralta]

That concept is hard to grasp to me. If there is no gender, why using "she" and not "he"? Just for us the readers?

And what if someone is only interested by the opposite sex, or want to reproduce? They have to know if their love interest has the opposite sex. So it would be good to be able to identify them without having to grope their crotch to find out. But I guess just looking at their crotch is enough in most cases if they wear tight pants. Harder if they wear skirts.

Just thinking out loud, nothing else.

Why use "he" if they all look like women?
They clearly have no problem determining who is futa and who is female.

 

[dolfe67]

This is a fictional world. And even in our world, сaucasians live far beyond the West.

Oh yeah and where? Australia is considered West. Where else in Asia? And in Africa, only South Africa has lots of caucasians.

Or like someone said, in some specific case where they are in minority but are gathered in the same area.

Anyway this is a fictional world which looks like western world.

 

[Kontralta]

Oh yeah and where? Australia is considered West. Where else in Asia? And in Africa, only South Africa has lots of caucasians.

Or like someone said, in some specific case where they are in minority but are gathered in the same area.

Anyway this is a fictional world which looks like western world.

CIS.

 

[Asura729]

... can we just enjoy the porn please?

 

[Kontralta]

... can we just enjoy the porn please?

Aren't we enjoying?