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Karla Jean

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It's not my kink and I don't play that path, but I believe that for some people into that kink, the uncertainty and fear of what might be going on with a loved one is as much a part of it as actually seeing it happen. Very likely there'll be a confirmation/confrontation eventually, but I understand that some people get off on the frisson of suspecting without knowing, at least for a while.


As others have remarked above, it's probably best to think of the cuck path as an alternate universe, the Rachels, Zoeys, Evelyns etc. of that reality being fundamentally different people that the ones you encounter on e.g. the siren path.

That's often the case with games with both NTR and non-NTR paths, I find, and can sometimes lead to tensions in cross-over scenes shared between the two 'realities', if the characters come across in a way that seems to fit one path better than the other. I don't think it's a major issue here yet.
I think it'll be Ashe's insecurity and constantly questioning her sister and worrying that's going to push Rachel to actually let her guard down and fuck Natasha.
 
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MheaScD

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I think i just remembered something, unless it was another game, but doesn't it mention something about a "divinity" class and demons? If this game has some supernatural stuff then it probably is possible for Ashe to become a dom over night
 

Hungover00

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I think i just remembered something, unless it was another game, but doesn't it mention something about a "divinity" class and demons? If this game has some supernatural stuff then it probably is possible for Ashe to become a dom over night
Don't think it's this game, friend.
 

MheaScD

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Don't think it's this game, friend.
it is, i just went through it again. It's after Ashe tells Fiona, the latter says the only thing she knows about duplos is from the internet or something and whatever they were taught in divinity class, that supposedly duplos are descendants of demonkind. It's like the only mention of anything like that i think.
 

Hungover00

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it is, i just went through it again. It's after Ashe tells Fiona, the latter says the only thing she knows about duplos is from the internet or something and whatever they were taught in divinity class, that supposedly duplos are descendants of demonkind. It's like the only mention of anything like that i think.
Ah, gotcha. So an alt-world Fundie conspiracy, like the Satanic Panic. That's rather depressing.

I think I focused on the 'supernatural' part more, as I don't think there's been any hint of it so far in game. Mea culpa.
 

Ciaran8023

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it is, i just went through it again. It's after Ashe tells Fiona, the latter says the only thing she knows about duplos is from the internet or something and whatever they were taught in divinity class, that supposedly duplos are descendants of demonkind. It's like the only mention of anything like that i think.
I had forgotten about that until you mentioned it, that does give a bit more meat on the bones on the level of persecution and general consensus regarding duplos I think. It's hard to gauge how widespread it is given that we don't really have much information on the rest of the world, but since it's tied to some form of religious view, it's likely to be fairly substantial I'd wager.

The main crux of Ashe's fears is of course rooted in what's going on in her head and with her trauma, but this does give more of an explanation as to how much she fears her secret coming out.
 

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Sorry to insist on this issue, but wow I'm convinced the decision to hard-split the routes was just a terrible call. The only part of the game that felt meaningfully altered by it was the Natasha event, and that one couldn't go wrong since the entire supposed "route split" was designed around that decision.

For the rest of it you mostly only get occasional minor dialogue changes and extra arbitrary restrictions to your choices of what sex positions a scene will feature. And that's the best case scenario, instead of a scene getting quartered just to force a 3-way split.

Here's a review of what the route split does to the last scene with Fiona:
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Unless they are going to make a much bigger effort in making the 3 separate routes feel like unique stories, I would sincerely hope the devs go back to the old system. Right now it would take only a little effort to mod the old design back into the game, either by restoring functionality to the "dommescore" and "cuckscore" variables or by simply removing the route/score restrictions because their contribution to the game is very little positive, if not even negative in how it forces certain scenes to be split instead of keeping all the best bits in one piece. It is not like it would matter much since the devs are still keeping track of most individual decisions anyway (e.g even in the "kitten" route you can make Natasha an enemy instead of submitting to her, so what is the point of having the route-split if it doesn't help standardize even the plotline that spawned the route-split?)
 
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Ciaran8023

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Sorry to insist on this issue, but wow I'm convinced the decision to hard-split the routes was just a terrible call. The only part of the game that felt meaningfully altered by it was the Natasha event, and that one couldn't go wrong since the entire supposed "route split" was designed around that decision.

For the rest of it you mostly only get occasional minor dialogue changes and extra arbitrary restrictions to your choices of what sex positions a scene will feature. And that's the best case scenario, instead of a scene getting quartered just to force a 3-way split.

Here's a review of what the route split does to the last scene with Fiona:
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Unless they are going to make a much bigger effort in making the 3 separate routes feel like unique stories with, I would sincerely hope the devs go back to the old system. Right now it would take only a little effort to mod the old design back into the game, either by restoring functionality to the "dommescore" and "cuckscore" variables or by simply removing the route/score restrictions because their contribution to the game is very little positive, if not even negative in how it forces certain scenes to be split instead of keeping all the best bits in one piece. It is not like it would matter much since the devs are still keeping track of most individual decisions anyway (e.g even in the "kitten" route you can make Natasha an enemy instead of submitting to her, so what is the point of having the route-split if it doesn't help standardize even the plotline that spawned the route-split?)
I kind of have to agree with this, I've noted it when the previous update hit but I really don't see much benefit for a 3-split storytelling. It doesn't actually reduce the branching by any meaningful amount, nor does it enhance the storytelling either as you outlined quite well.

It just feels like a bit of weird implementation and it's at the point where I can't even see what the correct implementation would look like either.
 
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Jafo

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But how was Vanessa texting Ashe during the date then? And somehow Vanessa needed to have signal where Ashe didn't?
I played the scene back to find out that the buttplug started to buzz while Vanessa was sitting next to Ashe. So indeed no Vanessa. But shit, who than???
 

Hungover00

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I played the scene back to find out that the buttplug started to buzz while Vanessa was sitting next to Ashe. So indeed no Vanessa. But shit, who than???
Only mentioned so far, but Victoria, Kate's wife, seems like a possibility to me. Delilah seems to be involved, and who could recruit her more easily than her mother? Ashe lost her virginity in her and Kate's bedroom. She's successful enough to have the resources, is a family friend, and could be trying to help Ashe, get back at her for fooling around with Kate (thinner possibility), push Ashe so she becomes available for Delilah, or she might have it in mind to take Ashe for herself, when she comes back.

I'm not sure if it's probable that it's her, but it's possible, and her being a named character but so far relatively unknown leaves a lot of room for the dev to position her.
 

returner

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I have to agree with manscout here. The voyeur path is just an offshoot of the submissive path. Having three routes just for the sake of it doesn't make sense.
The 'sub' path has better dialog and encounters. For example, Ashe/MC spying on Lexi while Rachel working at Natasha's place doesn't add to MC's character. Which makes the path more passive than it needs to be, what good is the path if you can't even go out with the ones you like? or is that the whole point of the path - that MC is a passive person who is content watching others having encounters.
MorriganRae I need your opinion here.
Also, what kind of route would Ashe have taken naturally if you didn't have to accommodate for three different routes?
 

doovel

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Sorry to insist on this issue, but wow I'm convinced the decision to hard-split the routes was just a terrible call. The only part of the game that felt meaningfully altered by it was the Natasha event, and that one couldn't go wrong since the entire supposed "route split" was designed around that decision.

For the rest of it you mostly only get occasional minor dialogue changes and extra arbitrary restrictions to your choices of what sex positions a scene will feature. And that's the best case scenario, instead of a scene getting quartered just to force a 3-way split.

Here's a review of what the route split does to the last scene with Fiona:
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Unless they are going to make a much bigger effort in making the 3 separate routes feel like unique stories, I would sincerely hope the devs go back to the old system. Right now it would take only a little effort to mod the old design back into the game, either by restoring functionality to the "dommescore" and "cuckscore" variables or by simply removing the route/score restrictions because their contribution to the game is very little positive, if not even negative in how it forces certain scenes to be split instead of keeping all the best bits in one piece. It is not like it would matter much since the devs are still keeping track of most individual decisions anyway (e.g even in the "kitten" route you can make Natasha an enemy instead of submitting to her, so what is the point of having the route-split if it doesn't help standardize even the plotline that spawned the route-split?)
The dev seems to default to the “kitten” route and then tries to add flavour to the CQ and Siren routes. The distinction is very clear if you compare the scenes with the Lexi seen, which has no kitten option. But even there the dialogue shifts around in a way that doesn’t read entirely CQ or Siren depending on your choice.
 

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I'm surprised how well "kitten" and "cuckqueen" paths are written. The whole thing between Natasha and Rachel? Those subtle hints of what really happened between those two? Whew! And "kitten" is exactly what you would expect from it. Though I do wish that the "siren" route will be more fleshed out in the future. Ashe, as a character, is simply not there yet to be considered as someone who can be on top, definitely not psychologically. Honestly I would rather prefer if the "kitten" could turn into the "siren" as the story goes on. She needs more experience and probably someone who would slap her out of those never-ending insecurites. An interesting addition to the plot I'd say. I mean, it could even work with the "cuckqueen", but that'll require way too much effort in terms of storytelling, at least in my opinion.
So, yeah, came for the smut - stayed for the plot. Excited for the next episode!
I can't say if I agree or disagree with the Cuckqueen path has I have to play it only ctrl skipped through just to see who is in that route. My friends thinks it sucks since all the LI turn into sluts lol.

But I agree with the Kitten while I am playing Siren as my main path. The Kitten path feels way more natural and alot better with certain LI like Vanessa. I thought how quickly Ashe went from being shy to bold with Ashe and Vanessa on the Siren path felt a little out of character so it's all of a sudden without much character growth but that might just be me.
 

ItsNotUs

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There is a chance nothing happened between them, cause nothing was shown, and the dev revealed natasha's path is only on kitten route.
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Natasha clearly doesn’t have the TV remote control in her hand!

When Ash got through to her sister, we are see Natasha perspective, who is talking on the phone and looking down. I can only assume that Rachel, like Ash(on the kitten's path), sucked Natasha.

Why the dev didn’t show this remains a mystery, maybe this is a foundation for the future, most likely Natasha will not give up trying to woo Ash and will send her photos, or in this way the dev introduces a new character into the plot, Natasha’s neighbor, to whom Ash will turn for the help.
 

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Natasha clearly doesn’t have the TV remote control in her hand!

When Ash got through to her sister, we are see Natasha perspective, who is talking on the phone and looking down. I can only assume that Rachel, like Ash(on the kitten's path), sucked Natasha.

Why the dev didn’t show this remains a mystery, maybe this is a foundation for the future, most likely Natasha will not give up trying to woo Ash and will send her photos, or in this way the dev introduces a new character into the plot, Natasha’s neighbor, to whom Ash will turn for the help.
Neighbour has a hole in the wall, cuck Ashe watches through it? Or from her balcony or something. I can see it playing out that way.
 

ItsNotUs

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Neighbour has a hole in the wall, cuck Ashe watches through it? Or from her balcony or something. I can see it playing out that way.
A balcony is a good idea, or maybe, like other NTR games, they have thin walls and you can hear everything what's happening in the next apartment very well.
 
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Natasha clearly doesn’t have the TV remote control in her hand!

When Ash got through to her sister, we are see Natasha perspective, who is talking on the phone and looking down. I can only assume that Rachel, like Ash(on the kitten's path), sucked Natasha.

Why the dev didn’t show this remains a mystery, maybe this is a foundation for the future, most likely Natasha will not give up trying to woo Ash and will send her photos, or in this way the dev introduces a new character into the plot, Natasha’s neighbor, to whom Ash will turn for the help.
So only way to get intimate with Natasha is on the kitten path? Wish I could have a chance to top her on siren path lol. And btw, is there a chance we could be on top Fiona too? To my knowledge, even on the siren path, Ashe is the one getting fucked by Fiona
 

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I've got a new theory on who I think Mrs. X is and its not Delilah, even though she is very much on the table imo. I need to probably replay the early chapters to see exactly where the scenes line up timeline wise.
 

ItsNotUs

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So only way to get intimate with Natasha is on the kitten path? Wish I could have a chance to top her on siren path lol. And btw, is there a chance we could be on top Fiona too? To my knowledge, even on the siren path, Ashe is the one getting fucked by Fiona
Well, these are questions for the dev.

Most likely Natasha will only be on kytten and cuckqueen paths.
As for Ash's dominance in the siren's path, everything is possible, for now she only dominate on a "small futas".
 

Hungover00

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I've got a new theory on who I think Mrs. X is and its not Delilah, even though she is very much on the table imo. I need to probably replay the early chapters to see exactly where the scenes line up timeline wise.
I don't think Ms. X is the blackmailer, I think they are a new player.
 
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