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Yep, you wrote that and I immediately understood that I don't know who main LIs are
The main Li's are Evelyn, Rachel, Fiona, Delilah, Vanessa, for sure. And I am pretty sure Kate might be too, unsure about her.
Besides those the rest are side girls, who will still get content, but be less focus and some may on all routes, some may be a little more route locked, like Lexi's main route is siren, but she will get some scenes in the other two routes just be less of a focus on those routes, same goes for other characters.
For both of you, as I think the only replies to your questions - Alabama joke aside - failed to accurately explain the situation.
And since Wilmer is new, here's what to know about this game (and A LOT of other games). Most adult visual novels and/ or porn games that feature implied incest do not overtly label it as such. Consequently, when you play as the MC in a game, the person that is supposed to be your mother is labeled "landlady" or "mentor" and your sister is "roommate" or "friend." Thus, all of the relationships are modified so that there is technically no incest happening between characters.
Some games allow you to manually set the relationships and you can even change the nicknames for characters to play into these relationships but many do not. Therefore, an incest patch is a modification to the game's code that changes all references to the characters and their relationships to reflect who they are actually supposed to be (or just who, in your incest-fueled fantasy, want them to be).
There are many reasons for this, but here's one of the biggest: MasterCard. See, most game developers do this as a passion project... you know, for the love of art and storytelling (and a good fap). But creating a porn game is A LOT OF WORK. Therefore, most ask for money via donations, subscriptions etc. In order to accept payment, many developers use existing platforms to facilitate these transactions, namely Patreon and Subscribestar. These platforms allow game developers to monetize their work and build communities with their fans. In order to function and provide the services they promise, these platforms have to operate within the framework designated to them by both the government (you know, laws) as well as the dictates of vendor partners that provide necessary services upon which THEY rely in order to operate.
Patreon is arguably the biggest and most popular resource for game developers. Game developers rely upon it to make enough money to support themselves because some have even left their jobs to attempt to be a developer full-time. Patreon was pressured a few years back to acquiesce to MasterCard's standards for adult content - which, among other things, included a prohibition on incest. Since MasterCard has over a BILLION credit cards in circulation (totaling 32% of all credit card payments internationally), it would be detrimental to Patreon's business to lose the ability to process effectively 1/3 of all transactions through the website.
So, Patreon adjusted their policies and said if an adult porn game wanted to be on Patreon and use their platform, the game could not (among other things) have open incest. Hence the common "landlady" and "roommate" workaround. There may be other requirements or hoops that a developer has to jump through to meet Patreon standards, but I am not a developer so hopefully one of them can chime in if you still have other questions.
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no shit sherlock really now???
i asked because i had never needed a incest patch to name the mom well mom in this game.
i never needed a updated patch for a new version the mother was just the mother in every game update.
you wasted a lot of text written here.....
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If you're gonna do any sort of thing Patreon doesn't allow (in this case incest) Patreon will shut you down. Even if you post it off-platform via patch, different provider, discord, whatever. It is only a matter of time before they get you. Seen it happen with multiple creators that got shutdown even though they had nothing Patreon didn't allow on their page.
The only option is to not use them period. It's a ticking timebomb. As a creator I would NEVER use Patreon. The risk is too big. They can lock your account out of nowhere leaving all your funds in limbo.
The only option is to not use them period. It's a ticking timebomb. As a creator I would NEVER use Patreon. The risk is too big. They can lock your account out of nowhere leaving all your funds in limbo.
liked update but feels like such a waste not to be able see what was going on with the sis during her maid service. Would legit be a great chance to switch pov during those times
I agree. It was heavily implied to the player what happened... even Ashe knows something is up, So why leave it as a up in the air thing when it's clear to all parties something happened? I don't really get it maybe dev has something more planned for that specific interaction in a future update.
- Dec 6, 2021
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I've already seen the new content and I must say that I have some mixed feelings, the good thing is that the art is still very beautiful, the settings and characters look great and the music goes well with the atmosphere, even though I liked the chapter quite a bit (especially the Kitty route) it felt unsatisfying, as if it ended before the big climax and you're left frustrated.
A funny thing is that in the Kitty Route we can escape from Natasha by kicking her in the balls, which is the most Alpha thing Ashe has ever done so I hereby declare Ashe Kitty the true Dom.
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Natasha being the way she is I thought she would send us some video of her defiling our sister like a shitty slut, but in the end nothing happened, which was very anticlimactic.
- Jan 5, 2019
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On the contrary, I love the "suspense" around it, great cuck experience!
You also have the alternative of "taking a bullet" for Rachel and be in her shoes.
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Wait, hold the freaking phone. So, you're telling me that Mentor = Mother, and Soulmate = Sister? Seriously? Are there other title switches in the incest patch? I played without it in my initial playthrough of 0.4.0 (I'm guessing that it was just an oversight, me not seeing that there was an i-patch), and I thought those titles ("mentor", "soulmate") were like some sort of loose family structure that was uniquely tied into the whole futa/gender specificity that existed within the game's world. I feel like an idiot, now....
I still really want to see Ashe be with Rachel, and/or Delilah, and/or Vanessa (I got the Siren route, and I've been SO excited to play 0.5.0, I've just been a bit embarrassingly strapped for cash at the moment so I'm having to practice patience), so this revelation does not change my outlook on the love prospects for Ashe. I was just so taken aback by reading your post that I had to clarify and ask about this. I seriously can't believe I didn't even give this a second thought, I just full-on believed they were titles given in these types of family relationships in this game world... hahaha
This wasn't just for you, mostly for the guy who clearly had no idea. We've all been new to something at one time or another and it's nice when someone actually explains something instead of making snarky comments or just telling them where the search bar is located.no shit sherlock really now???
i asked because i had never needed a incest patch to name the mom well mom in this game.
i never needed a updated patch for a new version the mother was just the mother in every game update.
you wasted a lot of text written here.....
I tagged your post as well because you also asked - so clearly there was something that confused you about it. Additionally, if you have used other incest patches in the past, you will know that they often need updating as games themselves are updated. Just as the post wasn't just about you, it wasn't just about this game specifically either.
And, if you have read multiple game threads before, you would also know others are not clear on this - as evidenced by the post right before mine from "hlfwaycrks"
So, maybe not completely wasted effort after all.
i asked because i never used a patch in THIS game because the mom was always the mom since i began playing this game.This wasn't just for you, mostly for the guy who clearly had no idea. We've all been new to something at one time or another and it's nice when someone actually explains something instead of making snarky comments or just telling them where the search bar is located.
I tagged your post as well because you also asked - so clearly there was something that confused you about it. Additionally, if you have used other incest patches in the past, you will know that they often need updating as games themselves are updated. Just as the post wasn't just about you, it wasn't just about this game specifically either.
And, if you have read multiple game threads before, you would also know others are not clear on this - as evidenced by the post right before mine from "hlfwaycrks"
So, maybe not completely wasted effort after all.
Even with every update that came out i have overwritten the last data and still the mom was the mom so that is why i asked what is different with the patch.
i am sure i never installed a incest patch in this game before so that is the reason why i asked.
possible that the incest is or was implemented in the very first version i downloaded,but to be frank i don´t remember where i downloaded the very first version i played.
and after that i never needed to use an patch when an update came out.
and you can be sure that many users here did not even understand the half of what you wrote here.
if they do not even understand how the simplest things in a forum like this are working they will not understand complexer things either.
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no shit sherlock really now???
i asked because i had never needed a incest patch to name the mom well mom in this game.
i never needed a updated patch for a new version the mother was just the mother in every game update.
you wasted a lot of text written here.....
Stop acting like a menstruating woman please
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That's cringe, dude
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Can´t do that.
i am not so lucky in that department.
and i am sure as fuck can not think with my eleventh "finger" like some persons who gets off from some pictures
Because i don´t have one
if i wanna get myself off i have my Brother or Maybe Sister for that???
Who knows.....
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-CuckQueen Route (4/10)
Pretty much agree with all of this. Idk why people were freaking out over the Siren path so much and not the CuckQueen path, maybe because Ashe is forced to bottom? QuckQueen path is easily the weakest of the three to the point where I could rant about it with an entire wall of text same as you. Like people have said it has the shortest/fewest scenes with the worst angles of all the scenes. The whole "did they or didn't they" thing with Natasha and Rachel was hollow and pointless I agree. Since the game basically makes it clear at least some of what happened(Rachel was there way past 6, so more could have happened than what we saw), and Ashe clearly knows something is off... which begs the question why even bother with the "did they or didn't they" plot? I feel like this only works if neither the audience nor Ashe knows what happened, Also why would Rachel blow Natasha if she's so ashamed or embarrassed about it that she can't be honest about it to her sister afterwards, Did Natasha pull something similar to Rachel as she did with Ashe? Or did Rachel do it of her own accord, many questions but zero answers. Rachel joking about Natasha's cock seemed weird to me too... Like I get it's CuckQueen path, but that just seems like such an out of place thing to joke about given the situation, and especially considering all of Ashe's warnings and how worried she is about Rachel. I think some of the other Cuck scenes suffer from this too, Moments where the writing feels kinda... forced? for a lack of a better word. The CuckQueen paths writing just doesn't have the same feeling of build up the same way some scenes from the other 2 paths do(Ashe finding the fleshlight hits 10x harder than Rachel finding it imo). tldr CuckQueen paths writing felt very "tacked on" to me like it just didn't have the same thought and care as the other 2 paths almost like dev was just trying to get the Cuck stuff in for the sake of having it in rather than building up to it in a way that makes sense, Plus add in the bad angles on top of meh writing I think 4/10 is fair. I could say wayy more about this path in detail, but last thing I'll say about it is, I'm honestly not sure who will genuinely like the CuckQueen path as of right now... I like Cuck content if it's a character idc about losing to someone else,(Rachel Natasha content sucks a little for me bc of this, where as Zoe, and Lexi I feel I'm able to give a bit more unbiased opinion since no soft spot for them) or sometimes I let it slide even if I really care about the character because It's so well done except the CuckQueen content rn is kinda mid imo so who is this for??? lol -Which scene did you think carried the CuckQueen route?
-Kitten Route next(Hard to score)
This was the route I was excited for the most, And honestly it mostly delivered. Ashe isn't completely submissive, but is her more meek self in this route similar to the first 3 updates when she isn't domming. I'd agree it strikes a solid middle ground where you aren't a submissive cuck, But also aren't the more confident Siren Ashe either. This path's writing felt like it was the most thought out of the 3, honestly Kitten Route gives heavy "Canon" path vibes for me as the writing, and buildup just feels a lot better than the other 2 routes at least to me. I loved the Fiona and Ashe scene on this route, as it just feels so natural in the moment, like yes Morrigan takes complete control from you, but I think it's done so well that it honestly doesn't matter. I will say I like slight aspects of Kitten path and slight aspects of Siren path Fiona scene better, and they do feel distinct. Ashe totally loses her shit in the Kitten path(which is super hot and makes sense in the moment imo) where as in Siren she keeps her wits about her, and is more forward, and also gets on top. I'll keep this one and Siren brief if I wentt into too much detail I'd be typing all night.
-Siren Route(My favorite version of Ashe, Hard to score)
I went into the Siren route not knowing what to expect considering what people were saying about it at first. Except after playing this route, I'm now convinced this was because of the forced bottoming with Fiona. I think there are people(myself included) that want to see Ashe top Fiona... or to be able to say no and skip the interaction like with Kate, but in that moment it doesn't feel like either of them can say no. In that moment it feels right for both of them it's what they both honestly want, and it's not like the story hasn't been building up to this either. Anyways I think Morrigan nailed Ashe/Fiona, but lets move on before I spend too much time on Ashe/Fiona or we'll be here all day. This Route quickly became my favorite because you do actually see Ashe's growth into a more confident and dominant person. No she doesn't flip a switch and become a Natasha or Cleo type dom,(which wouldn't make sense for her anyway) But you do see her confidence start to grow slowly, It feels realistic to me. It wouldn't sit right if Ashe did a complete 180 over night and was suddenly the most confident of the cast. This Ashe is just my favorite version/best version of Ashe imo. Siren Ashe just feels like such a natural growth for the character to me I LOVE it.
-Overall Thoughts
The update if you look at each path in a vacuum is actually a lot smaller than I thought it would be. Reason being maybe 70% to 80% of the content in each "Route" is the exact same scenes with the exact same dialogue... except for like 2 to 4 lines of added flavor text depending on which Route you're on to remind you that you're on that route lol, because otherwise the scene has basically no difference. Essentially all that "Routes" seemingly do so far is slightly change the events of the route(maybe like 20% to 30% of the route is changed and that's probably a bit high honestly) and Certain girls are locked behind certain paths, which to a degree makes sense based on their personality and what they're interested in, but it does feel like the dev is going down a route where you're all in on Dom Ashe, Sub Ashe, or Cuck Ashe and there isn't much cross over if any. I think this can definitely be jarring to some who want to experience different things from different paths, Ideally they would all mesh together in one big web of choices and outcomes, but I think that just isn't what Morrigan is shooting for based off this update. So essentially we pick paths that are very restrictive as far as the content locked behind each, yet the paths we pick kind of lack REAL agency. Imo REAL agency is being able to mix and match different things from different paths but thats wayyy harder to write for I get it. I did enjoy the update, but I don't think it quite lived up to what I was hoping for overall. With that being said though It's not because it was a bad update, It's because I LOVE Morrigan's writing from 0.1 to 0.4 so I went into this with VERY high expectations, and honestly hoping for less content locking/More Route mixing. I'm curious how the routes will evolve, and if they'll stay as strict as they are. With all that being said I'd say its a decent update some things weighing it down heavily while others help to counterbalance those negatives. I do hope Morrigan listens to feedback and opens the routes up a bit, even if that means taking more time on updates and not every new update having an update to all Routes. Still one of my favorite VN's ever if not my favorite, and Ashe being one of my favorite Protags I care about this game ALOT. At the end of the day I really just want to see it be the best it can be. If you made it this far thanks for reading, Take Care Much Love.
Ok guys I got humbled by this update. Couldn't resist and gave it a try and I rly don't regret it.
Man I kinda feel dumb lol but I'm not smn who would cower when confronted to my mistakes.
I wrote a lot abt what I feared the game would fall in (sirene path).
Fortunately, it seems I didn't have to worry.
I don't regret posting those though, at that time and from the info I had they seemed pretty legit (not like I was rude or anything).
I will use your com to guide my thinking hope you don't mind mate. Played all the path but I'll be talking only abt the SIREN one bc it's my main and the one I enjoy the most
- I think Ash is alrdy trying to take a more dominant role in the convos. I also think bc of the fact that she isn't used to it, she goe umm ahh or whatever it is that she does lol. We shouldn't forget that she was a big "introvert" and that her introvertion comes from a trauma aka her thinking she killed her mom (+ the bs with her twin). Atleast that's how I see it. I think the ahh umm is her trying to push her fears out of the way and outgrow them.
- I don't rly see Ash ordering another Woo woo like that, that's too confident for her current character. Atleast not for now, she's still too tame. I'd feel like it's out of character, gotta let her have a bit of a character development 1st.
I feel like Ash can rly assert herslef only when she's sure there would be no "consequeces" or that it is "safe" to do so, like when she told Lexi to beg.
- Again, on the "little alcove", I think our mc is just gaining more experience on how to deal with these situations. Don't forget that she's a virgin not too long ago (meaning 0 experience in this domain).
- I think the dev/s will use the umm as a tool to show us that she she's growing. Like the more we advance the less umm (hesitation) we encounter lol.
- Personally, the whole Vanessa thing didn't bother me. I feel like She reacted pretty normally there, like wth was happenning lol. I think it was in-character of Ash to react the way she did. She litteraly didn't understand what was hitting her. A wannabe obnoxious influencer lol. Personally I feel like ignoring these ppl and letting them live in their own world is good enough so yeah not much complaint here. So yeah, It didn't bother me bc I rly got the feeling Ash was questioning what was happening.
Now onto some points I didn't see you mention but I think are still worth mentionning.
- The video call with the redhead is actually quite promising. She tried in her own way telling her what to do step by step and she even got called Ms. At the end of the call she mentionned the fact that she was called Ms and she like it. It's obvious she's beginning to like the tatse of control and "domination".
- On the Vanessa date she tells Vanessa she'd like to learn martial arts (might seem dumb but it proves she doesn't want to be defensless anymore).
- Overall I think Vanessa is still to big of a fish for the young duplo. Vanessa is super confident, a bombshell (according to Ash lol), knows what she wants and is rich as hell.
Despite everything, you can't say it not a big step forward that she had the balls to ask for a bj lol and directly drop the pants without hesitation (I won't lie though, it seemed like a dick move to choose this option but Vanessa liked it so I went with it lol). At the pool, I admit it may have seemed like she was being dragged wherever Vanessa wanted her. No I mean she was for sure, but I think MC needs a bit of a push, atleast at 1st to unleash the "inner beast" lol.
I feel like Vanessa understood that and is trying to push her buttons little by little. It's kinda working since we got Ash to try and go for more when she began groping her. Even though, Vanessa told her she didn't want that at 1st. Our MC is growing she felt like there was an opportunity for more and went ahead with it.
- I also want to talk abt that Fiona scene, I agree with the fact that the player should have an option to refuse it. However I feel like that scene was pretty vanilla I'd even say it leaned more towards femdom for Ash.
1st, ofc there is the dialogue variation where she's confident abt taking it and is being playfully bossy, limit ordering Fiona to begin and penetrate her.
I think doing the cowgirl position, meaning she has control over the pace (Well she still didn't control herself very well but it's was her 1st time so it's ok) and the fact that she nearly gave Fiona a facial made it lean a bit more toward the dominant side. At least that's how I feel.
Only thing I think dev could have done better in that scene is the pinching/playing with Fiona's nipples. I would've like it if in the spur of the moment Ash lightly pinched them. She also could've put some fingers in her mouth and played with her tongue. But I think it's still too early for the current Ash.
- Final point is abt how she seemed "more dominant" in previous updates. I want y'all to remember that in most of those moments. She was either enraged, super stressed or at the border of both states. We prbbly all experienced at least one of those states. In those situations we most often don't think sraight anymore. You don't remember the exact words you used, you forget momentarily who you have with you, in front of you, where you are...
Maybe you are thinking of different moments, if so pls remind me as I seem to have forgotten them.
So yeah I think Ash is overall on the right track in the sirene route, she's slowly learning, experimenting and trying new things. I'd say Ash has a real prblm with risks when it comes to relationships she isn't willing to take them if she isn't sure it's 100% safe but then, it's not a risk anymore lol. I feel like it's related to her trauma and past experience.
Abt the Fiona thing I actually don't care but I feel for those who wanted to avoid that.
Idc bc ultimately I want my Ash to be a femdom and futadom queen lol, yk embrace her duplo identity and make a strength out of it. Like I think it'd be pretty sexy having Fiona earns the right to have a go at her pu$$y or beg for it.
Now this is just a fantasy but I rly rly hope we get some scenes with the cop on the sirene path man it'd be so hot seeing her submit to Ash. Idc if take 4 or 5 updates lol I'm willing to wait. Problm is, only way I see that happening is with Ash using the aphrodisiac drug lol or maybe have some dirt on her. From her behavior I don't think it'd be difficult to have some lol.
Anyway I rly enjoyed the update, this again is a reminder guys. Everyone is different, has their own opions, their view of things... Always try things for yourself b4 having a definitive opinion on things.
THX
Man I kinda feel dumb lol but I'm not smn who would cower when confronted to my mistakes.
I wrote a lot abt what I feared the game would fall in (sirene path).
Fortunately, it seems I didn't have to worry.
I don't regret posting those though, at that time and from the info I had they seemed pretty legit (not like I was rude or anything).
I will use your com to guide my thinking hope you don't mind mate. Played all the path but I'll be talking only abt the SIREN one bc it's my main and the one I enjoy the most
I agree with you on these points. I'd even go further and say it should be the player's choice if you want to get penetrated or not. Though I don't think Fiona filled Mc's pu$$y. So maybe you meant that.
I don't agree on those well, I agree but it's still too early I think.
- I think Ash is alrdy trying to take a more dominant role in the convos. I also think bc of the fact that she isn't used to it, she goe umm ahh or whatever it is that she does lol. We shouldn't forget that she was a big "introvert" and that her introvertion comes from a trauma aka her thinking she killed her mom (+ the bs with her twin). Atleast that's how I see it. I think the ahh umm is her trying to push her fears out of the way and outgrow them.
- I don't rly see Ash ordering another Woo woo like that, that's too confident for her current character. Atleast not for now, she's still too tame. I'd feel like it's out of character, gotta let her have a bit of a character development 1st.
I feel like Ash can rly assert herslef only when she's sure there would be no "consequeces" or that it is "safe" to do so, like when she told Lexi to beg.
- Again, on the "little alcove", I think our mc is just gaining more experience on how to deal with these situations. Don't forget that she's a virgin not too long ago (meaning 0 experience in this domain).
- I think the dev/s will use the umm as a tool to show us that she she's growing. Like the more we advance the less umm (hesitation) we encounter lol.
- Personally, the whole Vanessa thing didn't bother me. I feel like She reacted pretty normally there, like wth was happenning lol. I think it was in-character of Ash to react the way she did. She litteraly didn't understand what was hitting her. A wannabe obnoxious influencer lol. Personally I feel like ignoring these ppl and letting them live in their own world is good enough so yeah not much complaint here. So yeah, It didn't bother me bc I rly got the feeling Ash was questioning what was happening.
Now onto some points I didn't see you mention but I think are still worth mentionning.
- The video call with the redhead is actually quite promising. She tried in her own way telling her what to do step by step and she even got called Ms. At the end of the call she mentionned the fact that she was called Ms and she like it. It's obvious she's beginning to like the tatse of control and "domination".
- On the Vanessa date she tells Vanessa she'd like to learn martial arts (might seem dumb but it proves she doesn't want to be defensless anymore).
- Overall I think Vanessa is still to big of a fish for the young duplo. Vanessa is super confident, a bombshell (according to Ash lol), knows what she wants and is rich as hell.
Despite everything, you can't say it not a big step forward that she had the balls to ask for a bj lol and directly drop the pants without hesitation (I won't lie though, it seemed like a dick move to choose this option but Vanessa liked it so I went with it lol). At the pool, I admit it may have seemed like she was being dragged wherever Vanessa wanted her. No I mean she was for sure, but I think MC needs a bit of a push, atleast at 1st to unleash the "inner beast" lol.
I feel like Vanessa understood that and is trying to push her buttons little by little. It's kinda working since we got Ash to try and go for more when she began groping her. Even though, Vanessa told her she didn't want that at 1st. Our MC is growing she felt like there was an opportunity for more and went ahead with it.
- I also want to talk abt that Fiona scene, I agree with the fact that the player should have an option to refuse it. However I feel like that scene was pretty vanilla I'd even say it leaned more towards femdom for Ash.
1st, ofc there is the dialogue variation where she's confident abt taking it and is being playfully bossy, limit ordering Fiona to begin and penetrate her.
I think doing the cowgirl position, meaning she has control over the pace (Well she still didn't control herself very well but it's was her 1st time so it's ok) and the fact that she nearly gave Fiona a facial made it lean a bit more toward the dominant side. At least that's how I feel.
Only thing I think dev could have done better in that scene is the pinching/playing with Fiona's nipples. I would've like it if in the spur of the moment Ash lightly pinched them. She also could've put some fingers in her mouth and played with her tongue. But I think it's still too early for the current Ash.
- Final point is abt how she seemed "more dominant" in previous updates. I want y'all to remember that in most of those moments. She was either enraged, super stressed or at the border of both states. We prbbly all experienced at least one of those states. In those situations we most often don't think sraight anymore. You don't remember the exact words you used, you forget momentarily who you have with you, in front of you, where you are...
Maybe you are thinking of different moments, if so pls remind me as I seem to have forgotten them.
So yeah I think Ash is overall on the right track in the sirene route, she's slowly learning, experimenting and trying new things. I'd say Ash has a real prblm with risks when it comes to relationships she isn't willing to take them if she isn't sure it's 100% safe but then, it's not a risk anymore lol. I feel like it's related to her trauma and past experience.
Abt the Fiona thing I actually don't care but I feel for those who wanted to avoid that.
Idc bc ultimately I want my Ash to be a femdom and futadom queen lol, yk embrace her duplo identity and make a strength out of it. Like I think it'd be pretty sexy having Fiona earns the right to have a go at her pu$$y or beg for it.
Now this is just a fantasy but I rly rly hope we get some scenes with the cop on the sirene path man it'd be so hot seeing her submit to Ash. Idc if take 4 or 5 updates lol I'm willing to wait. Problm is, only way I see that happening is with Ash using the aphrodisiac drug lol or maybe have some dirt on her. From her behavior I don't think it'd be difficult to have some lol.
Anyway I rly enjoyed the update, this again is a reminder guys. Everyone is different, has their own opions, their view of things... Always try things for yourself b4 having a definitive opinion on things.
THX
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