yuk69
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Exactly it's like all the girls in the cuck route are having more fun than they did with Ashe, and then it almost just makes Siren Route feel shitty lmaoI've already seen the new content and I must say that I have some mixed feelings, the good thing is that the art is still very beautiful, the settings and characters look great and the music goes well with the atmosphere, even though I liked the chapter quite a bit (especially the Kitty route) it felt unsatisfying, as if it ended before the big climax and you're left frustrated.
A funny thing is that in the Kitty Route we can escape from Natasha by kicking her in the balls, which is the most Alpha thing Ashe has ever done so I hereby declare Ashe Kitty the true Dom.You don't have permission to view the spoiler content. Log in or register now.
Yeah the siren path wasn't as bad as it was sounding. She was coming out of her shell more she's even the one that initiated things with Lexi just telling her she was going to kiss her the only problem I saw was on this path it doesn't really make sense to put in the butt plug she could have just lied and said she did and it would have been nice to have the option to turn down Fiona or like someone else said make her eat your pussy again first. Also I think the best scene on the cuck path was with Fiona too its funny seeing Ashe try and get her to tell what happened in her dream while she's trying to fuck.-CuckQueen Route (4/10)
Pretty much agree with all of this. Idk why people were freaking out over the Siren path so much and not the CuckQueen path, maybe because Ashe is forced to bottom? QuckQueen path is easily the weakest of the three to the point where I could rant about it with an entire wall of text same as you. Like people have said it has the shortest/fewest scenes with the worst angles of all the scenes. The whole "did they or didn't they" thing with Natasha and Rachel was hollow and pointless I agree. Since the game basically makes it clear at least some of what happened(Rachel was there way past 6, so more could have happened than what we saw), and Ashe clearly knows something is off... which begs the question why even bother with the "did they or didn't they" plot? I feel like this only works if neither the audience nor Ashe knows what happened, Also why would Rachel blow Natasha if she's so ashamed or embarrassed about it that she can't be honest about it to her sister afterwards, Did Natasha pull something similar to Rachel as she did with Ashe? Or did Rachel do it of her own accord, many questions but zero answers. Rachel joking about Natasha's cock seemed weird to me too... Like I get it's CuckQueen path, but that just seems like such an out of place thing to joke about given the situation, and especially considering all of Ashe's warnings and how worried she is about Rachel. I think some of the other Cuck scenes suffer from this too, Moments where the writing feels kinda... forced? for a lack of a better word. The CuckQueen paths writing just doesn't have the same feeling of build up the same way some scenes from the other 2 paths do(Ashe finding the fleshlight hits 10x harder than Rachel finding it imo). tldr CuckQueen paths writing felt very "tacked on" to me like it just didn't have the same thought and care as the other 2 paths almost like dev was just trying to get the Cuck stuff in for the sake of having it in rather than building up to it in a way that makes sense, Plus add in the bad angles on top of meh writing I think 4/10 is fair. I could say wayy more about this path in detail, but last thing I'll say about it is, I'm honestly not sure who will genuinely like the CuckQueen path as of right now... I like Cuck content if it's a character idc about losing to someone else,(Rachel Natasha content sucks a little for me bc of this, where as Zoe, and Lexi I feel I'm able to give a bit more unbiased opinion since no soft spot for them) or sometimes I let it slide even if I really care about the character because It's so well done except the CuckQueen content rn is kinda mid imo so who is this for??? lol -Which scene did you think carried the CuckQueen route?
-Kitten Route next(Hard to score)
This was the route I was excited for the most, And honestly it mostly delivered. Ashe isn't completely submissive, but is her more meek self in this route similar to the first 3 updates when she isn't domming. I'd agree it strikes a solid middle ground where you aren't a submissive cuck, But also aren't the more confident Siren Ashe either. This path's writing felt like it was the most thought out of the 3, honestly Kitten Route gives heavy "Canon" path vibes for me as the writing, and buildup just feels a lot better than the other 2 routes at least to me. I loved the Fiona and Ashe scene on this route, as it just feels so natural in the moment, like yes Morrigan takes complete control from you, but I think it's done so well that it honestly doesn't matter. I will say I like slight aspects of Kitten path and slight aspects of Siren path Fiona scene better, and they do feel distinct. Ashe totally loses her shit in the Kitten path(which is super hot and makes sense in the moment imo) where as in Siren she keeps her wits about her, and is more forward, and also gets on top. I'll keep this one and Siren brief if I wentt into too much detail I'd be typing all night.
-Siren Route(My favorite version of Ashe, Hard to score)
I went into the Siren route not knowing what to expect considering what people were saying about it at first. Except after playing this route, I'm now convinced this was because of the forced bottoming with Fiona. I think there are people(myself included) that want to see Ashe top Fiona... or to be able to say no and skip the interaction like with Kate, but in that moment it doesn't feel like either of them can say no. In that moment it feels right for both of them it's what they both honestly want, and it's not like the story hasn't been building up to this either. Anyways I think Morrigan nailed Ashe/Fiona, but lets move on before I spend too much time on Ashe/Fiona or we'll be here all day. This Route quickly became my favorite because you do actually see Ashe's growth into a more confident and dominant person. No she doesn't flip a switch and become a Natasha or Cleo type dom,(which wouldn't make sense for her anyway) But you do see her confidence start to grow slowly, It feels realistic to me. It wouldn't sit right if Ashe did a complete 180 over night and was suddenly the most confident of the cast. This Ashe is just my favorite version/best version of Ashe imo. Siren Ashe just feels like such a natural growth for the character to me I LOVE it.
-Overall Thoughts
The update if you look at each path in a vacuum is actually a lot smaller than I thought it would be. Reason being maybe 70% to 80% of the content in each "Route" is the exact same scenes with the exact same dialogue... except for like 2 to 4 lines of added flavor text depending on which Route you're on to remind you that you're on that route lol, because otherwise the scene has basically no difference. Essentially all that "Routes" seemingly do so far is slightly change the events of the route(maybe like 20% to 30% of the route is changed and that's probably a bit high honestly) and Certain girls are locked behind certain paths, which to a degree makes sense based on their personality and what they're interested in, but it does feel like the dev is going down a route where you're all in on Dom Ashe, Sub Ashe, or Cuck Ashe and there isn't much cross over if any. I think this can definitely be jarring to some who want to experience different things from different paths, Ideally they would all mesh together in one big web of choices and outcomes, but I think that just isn't what Morrigan is shooting for based off this update. So essentially we pick paths that are very restrictive as far as the content locked behind each, yet the paths we pick kind of lack REAL agency. Imo REAL agency is being able to mix and match different things from different paths but thats wayyy harder to write for I get it. I did enjoy the update, but I don't think it quite lived up to what I was hoping for overall. With that being said though It's not because it was a bad update, It's because I LOVE Morrigan's writing from 0.1 to 0.4 so I went into this with VERY high expectations, and honestly hoping for less content locking/More Route mixing. I'm curious how the routes will evolve, and if they'll stay as strict as they are. With all that being said I'd say its a decent update some things weighing it down heavily while others help to counterbalance those negatives. I do hope Morrigan listens to feedback and opens the routes up a bit, even if that means taking more time on updates and not every new update having an update to all Routes. Still one of my favorite VN's ever if not my favorite, and Ashe being one of my favorite Protags I care about this game ALOT. At the end of the day I really just want to see it be the best it can be. If you made it this far thanks for reading, Take Care Much Love.
If I remember right the built in walkthrough indicate that the Fiona path got locked in during the porn watching scene with her. I really can't imagine that anyone was actually expecting to top her. We already knew from her dialogue that she isn't even interested in the regular futas, Ashe being a duplo just happened to turn her right the fuck on enough to ignore that. Not to mention she's an extremely dominant character. So if someone wanted to avoid Ashe being Fiona's bottom then they should have just not opened her path. We already knew siren Ashe could still be bottom and that kitten Ashe could still be top depending on the girl and the circumstance.
hlfwaycrks
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That part was kinda funny, Fiona just wants to fuck and Ashe is dragging it out trying to hear more. I agree though, It's why Siren is so hard to rate for me. Like Ashe is fine to put the dildo in on Siren path, but then stops it and says its too much when she asks her for a picture???(lol) It's a little odd that it's the picture that is too much for her, but she decides to say fuck it and use the butt plug even tho she literally says she's never had anything in her ass before...lol. Then you have all the Lexie stuff which is a good start for Siren Ashe development. Yeah I do think Morrigan should've added a 69 option or something instead with Ashe on top. Personally I think story/character wise Ashe and Fiona were ready to do it, but I can also understand people not wanting that yet or at all.
I just remembered this. Why is Ashe peeking on Rachel in the shower locked to Cuck Route, I feel like Siren Ashe would try to sneak a peek too maybe I'm just crazy.
doovel
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I'd like to see improvement during the chapter, people are currently taking what little they can find in some scenes and apply that universally throughout the episode. Like the scenes with Lexi are midway through the episode, why is she acting shier after those scenes? She should at least be trying to act more confident, going from virgin to a certified sex haver should be a massive confidence boost. We see very little of that. Things that should be impactful in that regard have little of it.
I only played through the kitten/cuck route after someone was asking for some spoilers about them, I agree with your assessment of Lexi. But you see something similar with the redhead, in the cuck route she's made a new friend, who's taller, more muscular and has a much bigger dong than Ashe. So it feels silly when the redhead talks about how big Ashe's dick is with that information in mind and hindsight.
I think this is more of a hasn't defiled her yet. Given the amount of money she paid Rachel, she's likely to continue.
There are some major gripes I have with the siren route that might be tainting much of it:
- The way Ashe just shoves the butt plug up her ass immediately upon receiving it. You only get an option to take it out later, when really on the siren route you should have the option to not shove it where the sun don't shine.
- The lack of variety in trying to play the blackmailer. Ashe often immediately folds.
- On the Fiona route the player should really have more options, denying Fiona the pussy for example. Telling her to lick it first, things of that nature. She doesn't have to succeed in domming, she should be trying though.
- She sounds and looks incredibly uncertain in most of her renders (the eyebrows curving upward at the inner most part), and the constant uhms that are there nearly every other sentence in the more extreme cases.
Ashe should be trying to top, or at least give the player the option for her to try. It's the lack of choice that is more frustrating. That is what "could be bottom" should mean. That could shouldn't mean you will be bottom if you take this route, you can not opt out later. You will just have to accept your fate. Don't just do that and strip away any control from the player. Similarly even if you accept it'd be nice to have to option to break up with her instead of only having fwb or "maybe I want more"
Yes, Ashe could bottom if you're on Fiona's path. Don't go on the path with a character who's obviously designed to be top only if you don't want Ashe to get bottomed. That's your control, don't enter her path if you don't want the content it's going to have. Anyone who spent even 5 seconds thinking about it would've realized that Fiona was gonna top Ashe if you go on her path. It was as obvious as that the sky is blue what was gonna happen, don't blame the dev that you couldn't figure that out.
SerHawkes
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Not a bad update, tad short. Though am still pretty sure I am right about the 'blackmailer'. Considering I was right about Dels, despite people dismissing my claim (I'll be sending each of you a horsecock dildo, DM for address infos). Like the Siren but felt... odd I guess with Fiona a little. Kitten path wasn't bad, a tad more there than the Siren path though. Cuck path... meh....
ScholarOfTheFirstSin
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the cuckquean path also include voyeur kink
Alley_Cat
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Played the update, on the Siren route. Was hesitant to download based on the reviews about lack of player agency, but I found that most of scenes were how I would have played them anyway.
I was a little worried about forced scenes and lack of content on my path, but no, there was still a good amount, they're just scenes no one else seems to playing and talking about.
I was a little worried about forced scenes and lack of content on my path, but no, there was still a good amount, they're just scenes no one else seems to playing and talking about.
doovel
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I blame the dev for providing no off ramp, there is no reason to believe they wouldn’t build that in. There is also no telling what a dev has planned for the next episode.
Just because you’re happy it happens doesn’t mean everyone else should have to accept it. None of the siren path implies that it must happen, only that it could happen.
It’s 2 extra minutes to write in the “no I don’t want to -> fade to black -> remain friends, put the player back on the not rom/sex path”.
Don’t blame the rest of the players if you can’t figure out that could doesn’t mean must.
doovel
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Who do you think the blackmailer is?
If I were to hazard a guess it would be Isabella.
She has access to the house and would be one of the few who could potentially see what does or doesn’t happen when you go in with Vanessa[/spoiler]. Wouldn’t surprise me if Rachel accidentally let something slip or if she was overheard.
Great game, great update, particularly the Kitten route. Siren is building nicely. Can't take Ashe from stuttering virgin to bending her step-landlady's mentors best friend over the kitchen table in one episode.
Well, Fiona said she didn't tell Delilah about being a duplo, yet the latter said Fiona told her
doovel
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I think she’s a red herring, but we’ll have to wait and see. She might’ve overheard something as well.
PhineasFlynn
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The story points to Delilah, but I agree with you. It's all toooooo much obvious. I'm really curious where it will end up.
I haven't finished the last update yet.