VN Ren'Py Eruption Imminent [v0.5.1] [MorriganRae]

[Kontralta]

I don't remember this particular scene but it goes in line with Ashe's dreams about Fiona.

 

[doovel]

Have to agree with Alley_Cat. There seems to be a lot of whining over nothing here.

I really liked this update.

I liked how Ashe choose not to use the buttplug but kept it with her after the blackmailer sent a pic of her to her boss just in case the thing had a GPS on it. I could even choose not to give her more blackmail material for her to use later and insted grabbed a random pic from the internet.

Very good scene between Ashe and Lexi, not sure if it was exclusive to the siren route but it was great regardless. Specially liked how there was some chemistry between both of them, chatting and flirting with each other at that kiosk until they ended up doing some sex time on the beach.
I even got the radical free joke.

Vanessa also got up on my book. Despite the setback with her buying the wrong tickets, she was able to adjust and have a great time just chatting the night away with Ashe. Vanessa was also a lot more cool than their previous meeting showed. Even them bonding over dead moms was interesting. Also that kissing and making up before ending the night was hot.

Fiona and Ashe scene was also another one i was expecting. Quite nice that Ashe lost her bottom virginity with Fiona. Also no offense but anyone expecting otherwise was deluding thmselves, Ashe literally dreamed about this event in a previous update.
For now i decided to agree with Fiona and keep things between them on the friends with benefits stage, no reason to push things to move too fast.
And she finally asked the question and got the answer i was expecting: Fiona didn't tell Delilah about Ashe's secret.

Right now i have to agree that Delilah doesn't seem to be the only blackmailer, but it seems she was tasked with tailing Ashe by the main person behind it. Her wanting to go to the party even without a invite seems quite telling.
I am guessing the main criminal is the same person who wants to spike the drinks from Isabella/Lexi and Vanessa university party with that elisium drug to make everyone go mad in heat. That would be the "perfect" way to reveal Ashe being a duplo in front of everyone.

Between the blackmailer and all the women interested in Ashe this party promises a lot.

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Yes. Go play it.

I don't remember this particular scene but it goes in line with Ashe's dreams about Fiona.

It‘s impressive that people just keep repeating the you should have expected Ashe to be the bottom when the criticism from virtually everyone who has talked about has been you don’t get a say in the matter, you can’t stop her. If you at one point decided to try something with Fiona you are on rails and can’t make any decisions. You don’t get to say no, let’s stop.

Don’t take away player agency without reason. If you only want this to be the way things can go. Provide an opportunity to end it before it gets to that stage. It is really such a minor thing to add, and it will avoid grievance for player’s who are okay with some hand and mouth stuff but don’t want to go further than that with said character.

And for crying out loud, if it doesn’t bother you that’s great. There is no reason to set up a straw man so you can pretend other people don‘t get to be annoyed.

The lack of agency is there when the package arrives too, you can move the scene where you want it to go without depriving your players of any control.

But yes, do go play it. Find out for yourself, and if you’re curious about the grievances I and others have with this episodes Siren route, try playing the previous episodes and comparing the two on player agency and meaningful choices.

 

[LegacyV01]

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I wouldn't be surprised if Fiona tries things with Ashe that she hasn't before or normally isn't into, Considering it's Ashe not just any random futa.

 

[Kontralta]

I wouldn't be surprised if Fiona tries things with Ashe that she hasn't before or normally isn't into, Considering it's Ashe not just any random futa.

I don't think so. Fiona didn't see Ashe as a sex object until she found out Ashe had a pussy.

 

[LegacyV01]

It‘s impressive that people just keep repeating the you should have expected Ashe to be the bottom when the criticism from virtually everyone who has talked about has been you don’t get a say in the matter, you can’t stop her. If you at one point decided to try something with Fiona you are on rails and can’t make any decisions. You don’t get to say no, let’s stop.

Don’t take away player agency without reason. If you only want this to be the way things can go. Provide an opportunity to end it before it gets to that stage. It is really such a minor thing to add, and it will avoid grievance for player’s who are okay with some hand and mouth stuff but don’t want to go further than that with said character.

And for crying out loud, if it doesn’t bother you that’s great. There is no reason to set up a straw man so you can pretend other people don‘t get to be annoyed.

The lack of agency is there when the package arrives too, you can move the scene where you want it to go without depriving your players of any control.

But yes, do go play it. Find out for yourself, and if you’re curious about the grievances I and others have with this episodes Siren route, try playing the previous episodes and comparing the two on player agency and meaningful choices.

While I do think the story was naturally going down the route of Ashe losing her vaginal virginity to Fiona(Imo its fine it makes sense). I also understand the frustration of people that didn't want that to happen, and yes it does kind of seem like no matter what you do Ashe is forced to lose her vaginal virginity to Fiona, Same with Zoe where you didn't get a choice with that, it just happens to keep the plot moving. I think the true culprit of the grievances is the update being wayy more linear than I think a lot of us thought it would be. This update really feels to me like the dev has a story they want to tell, and we're able to make very slight variations in the way some things turn out, but overall the dev is going to hit a lot of the same story beats in each route regardless of which choice you make. Which just makes a lot of the choices feel... Cheap? I think some people love the way Morrigan wrote Kitten/Siren path and that's why they're fine with the lack of agency bc they probably would've made those choices anyways. Where as others like you and myself definitely would've changed a few things. I don't mind Fiona and Ashe as I think it makes sense, and I ship them so imma little biased, but her just putting the dido in even though SHE LITERALLY SAYS SHE"S NEVER PUT ANYTHING UP HER ASS BEFORE feels soo Kitten Ashe to me not Siren Ashe. Like why not have her say no off the rip? The outcome is LITERALLY the exact same if she would've said no to putting it in from the get go.

 

[LegacyV01]

I don't think so. Fiona didn't see Ashe as a sex object until she found out Ashe had a pussy.

I agree, but I think there's clearly romantic tension there too, Ashe and Fiona are important and special to each other. You do things you sometimes otherwise wouldn't do for people you REALLY care about.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

It‘s impressive that people just keep repeating the you should have expected Ashe to be the bottom when the criticism from virtually everyone who has talked about has been you don’t get a say in the matter, you can’t stop her. If you at one point decided to try something with Fiona you are on rails and can’t make any decisions. You don’t get to say no, let’s stop.

Don’t take away player agency without reason. If you only want this to be the way things can go. Provide an opportunity to end it before it gets to that stage. It is really such a minor thing to add, and it will avoid grievance for player’s who are okay with some hand and mouth stuff but don’t want to go further than that with said character.

And for crying out loud, if it doesn’t bother you that’s great. There is no reason to set up a straw man so you can pretend other people don‘t get to be annoyed.

The lack of agency is there when the package arrives too, you can move the scene where you want it to go without depriving your players of any control.

But yes, do go play it. Find out for yourself, and if you’re curious about the grievances I and others have with this episodes Siren route, try playing the previous episodes and comparing the two on player agency and meaningful choices.

You can literally choose not to start anything sexual with Fiona in chapter 4 so i find this whole complain about lack of player agency very disingenuous.
Also the developer never promised anyone that the routes would equate with a complete change in both Ashe and her partners sexual preferences. Morrigan even made a giant text explaining what to expect from the routes.

Just to be sure i came back to chapter 4 and checked: if Ashe doesn't have sex with Fiona in chapter 4 then nothing happens between them in chapter 5. That is player agency happening.
So i am not the one using a straw man falacy to complain about something that was the obvious outcome of player's choice simply because said outcome happened a update later.

I wouldn't be surprised if Fiona tries things with Ashe that she hasn't before or normally isn't into, Considering it's Ashe not just any random futa.

I don't think so. Fiona didn't see Ashe as a sex object until she found out Ashe had a pussy.

I think you mean sex partner there instead of object? Since there are feelings of friendship between both of them involved.

And while i agree Ashe having a pussy may likely have been what started that sexual attraction to what is unknown/different in a duplo, i would not discount the idea that in the future Fiona may bottom, sometimes, for Ashe. At least for a Siren Ashe.

 

[Vernalcash]

I don't remember this particular scene but it goes in line with Ashe's dreams about Fiona.

If we are talking about the dream after they play videogames together there's an option for Ashe to top, I think it's possible that the siren route will have Fiona be on the recieving end in the future, or at least I hope so.

 

[doovel]

While I do think the story was naturally going down the route of Ashe losing her vaginal virginity to Fiona(Imo its fine it makes sense). I also understand the frustration of people that didn't want that to happen, and yes it does kind of seem like no matter what you do Ashe is forced to lose her vaginal virginity to Fiona, Same with Zoe where you didn't get a choice with that, it just happens to keep the plot moving. I think the true culprit of the grievances is the update being wayy more linear than I think a lot of us thought it would be. This update really feels to me like the dev has a story they want to tell, and we're able to make very slight variations in the way some things turn out, but overall the dev is going to hit a lot of the same story beats in each route regardless of which choice you make. Which just makes a lot of the choices feel... Cheap? I think some people love the way Morrigan wrote Kitten/Siren path and that's why they're fine with the lack of agency bc they probably would've made those choices anyways. Where as others like you and myself definitely would've changed a few things. I don't mind Fiona and Ashe as I think it makes sense, and I ship them so imma little biased, but her just putting the dido in even though SHE LITERALLY SAYS SHE"S NEVER PUT ANYTHING UP HER ASS BEFORE feels soo Kitten Ashe to me not Siren Ashe. Like why not have her say no off the rip? The outcome is LITERALLY the exact same if she would've said no to putting it in from the get go.

Yes thank you, this is the same feeling it causes for me. The choices outside of the initial ones for the path choices seem insignificant by comparison.

I am would also be happier about the choices being there if in an alternative dimension Morrigan wrote the perfect Siren path to me. It’s about having the agency, otherwise it’s basically a three-pronged kinetic novel. I want to be able to make the “best choices” and also see what the “wrong choices” lead to.

The BM butt plug is exactly that, 100% based on the kitten route. Iirc even on the kitten route you have the option to remove it. Considering you get the option afterwards, just allow the siren players to never stick it up there in the first place.

As much as I want to stick it up Fiona’s mighty fine booty, I‘m perfectly okay with that not happening. But for the love of the futa goddess, allow your players to decide if they want to be topped by a character they think they might be interested in if that’s the only option you are going to provide.

For as much as people keep harping on Fiona being the clear top. I can also see a path where Fiona would allow Ashe and only Ashe to ever stick something up her bum. Because Ashe is much more to her than all the floozies she’s ever been with. Even if that only can happen on the kitten path. In fact I’ll make that prediction right now.

 

[doovel]

You can literally choose not to start anything sexual with Fiona in chapter 4 so i find this whole complain about lack of player agency very disingenuous.
Also the developer never promised anyone that the routes would equate with a complete change in both Ashe and her partners sexual preferences. Morrigan even made a giant text explaining what to expect from the routes.

Just to be sure i came back to chapter 4 and checked: if Ashe doesn't have sex with Fiona in chapter 4 then nothing happens between them in chapter 5. That is player agency happening.
So i am not the one using a straw man falacy to complain about something that was the obvious outcome of player's choice simply because said outcome happened a update later.



I think you mean sex partner there instead of object? Since there are feelings of friendship between both of them involved.

And while i agree Ashe having a pussy may likely have been what started that sexual attraction to what is unknown/different in a duplo, i would not discount the idea that in the future Fiona may bottom, sometimes, for Ashe. At least for a Siren Ashe.

Your ability to ignore the crux of the complaint raised is astounding and I remain befuddled. I bow down to your superior ways of arguing points that haven’t been made. Good luck in your future endeavours and debates I’m sure you will go on to win them all!

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

If we are talking about the dream after they play videogames together there's an option for Ashe to top, I think it's possible that the siren route will have Fiona be on the recieving end in the future, or at least I hope so.

Kontralta's post brought a important context about Fiona's sexual attraction. The novelty of a duplo having both a penis and a vagina may have been what awakened her (sexual) interest for Ashe. But i agree that if Fiona is in a relationship with Ashe, someone she cares about, she may end up expanding her sexual preferences and doing thing she never thought before.

 

[LegacyV01]

You can literally choose not to start anything sexual with Fiona in chapter 4 so i find this whole complain about lack of player agency very disingenuous.
Also the developer never promised anyone that the routes would equate with a complete change in both Ashe and her partners sexual preferences. Morrigan even made a giant text explaining what to expect from the routes.

Just to be sure i came back to chapter 4 and checked: if Ashe doesn't have sex with Fiona in chapter 4 then nothing happens between them in chapter 5. That is player agency happening.
So i am not the one using a straw man falacy to complain about something that was the obvious outcome of player's choice simply because said outcome happened a update later.



I think you mean sex partner there instead of object? Since there are feelings of friendship between both of them involved.

And while i agree Ashe having a pussy may likely have been what started that sexual attraction to what is unknown/different in a duplo, i would not discount the idea that in the future Fiona may bottom, sometimes, for Ashe. At least for a Siren Ashe.

I think the issues for those people is that if you let Fiona go down on you you're LOCKED into having vaginal sex with her even on Siren route. I think some like Fiona(hence why they let Fiona go down on Ashe) but want Ashe to top her OR keep things to oral, So you basically HAVE to get fucked by Fiona or she's just completely locked off. That's what people mean by lack of player agency.

 

[Fahad Pre Salic]

android/apk version please!

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

I think the issues for those people is that if you let Fiona go down on you you're LOCKED into having vaginal sex with her even on Siren route. I think some like Fiona(hence why they let Fiona go down on Ashe) but want Ashe to top her OR keep things to oral, So you basically HAVE to get fucked by Fiona or she's just completely locked off. That's what people mean by lack of player agency.

And that is why i disagree with them. It is not the developer's fault if they decided to have unrealistic expectations about a character that so far had only showed interested in (cis)women and was not until Ashe into futas(or duplos in her case).

Can you imagine the mess the game developement would become if Morrigan (a single dev) decided to try to account for every possibility people want? The ilusion of choice can only go so far before the game gets stuck into development hell because of too many branching paths.
Sometimes, some players need to remember we are just along for the ride.

 

[Mr_Ainz]

So surprised at the freaking quality of this game. This has become one the few games that live rent free in my head. Maybe I'm just a cuck but I really like the narrative in the voyeur route, it's cool to have alternatives to an "alpha" MC focused game. The writing keeps on being a pillar carrying the game higher and higher in the rankings.

I can only applaud the dev and hope that they can finish this project and feel proud of their accomplishment.

 

[doovel]

I like how an option to say “no” turns into “account for every possibility”.

 

[Kontralta]

I think you mean sex partner there instead of object? Since there are feelings of friendship between both of them involved.

Maybe. English is not my native language. I was talking about how Fiona had never been sexually attracted to Ashe before, considering her just a friend.

 

[MheaScD]

And that is why i disagree with them. It is not the developer's fault if they decided to have unrealistic expectations about a character that so far had only showed interested in (cis)women and was not until Ashe into futas(or duplos in her case).

Can you imagine the mess the game developement would become if Morrigan (a single dev) decided to try to account for every possibility people want? The ilusion of choice can only go so far before the game gets stuck into development hell because of too many branching paths.
Sometimes, some players need to remember we are just along for the ride.

me personally, i'm not asking for there to be 100 different variations of the scenes, i just want an option not to lose her vaginal virginity on my main playthrough, i like to replay the scenes as a bottom or watever.

 

[LegacyV01]

And that is why i disagree with them. It is not the developer's fault if they decided to have unrealistic expectations about a character that so far had only showed interested in (cis)women and was not until Ashe into futas(or duplos in her case).

Can you imagine the mess the game developement would become if Morrigan (a single dev) decided to try to account for every possibility people want? The ilusion of choice can only go so far before the game gets stuck into development hell because of too many branching paths.
Sometimes, some players need to remember we are just along for the ride.

Yeah I think that's where the main culprit lies. Lot's of people(myself included) thought it would be wayy less linear than it turned out, and have less illusion of choice. Idk if anyone here has played SpaceCorpsXXX but I thought the game would be going down that route in terms of choices and branching paths. It becomes extremely hard to write all the different possibilities and potential branching paths so I can understand why it isn't that way. I ship Ashe and Fiona and like what happened with them, but I can understand people wanting to take it slow with Fio or keep it to oral instead. I really think people thought they would just have more choice. For example I wanted my Ashe to be more of a switch Ashe, but so far it seems like the paths are pretty restrictive in terms of kinks and wont have much cross over if any. Which makes it feel like more of a 3 pathed kinetic novel to some, rather than a story where each individual choice shapes and molds the story and characters, which I just don't think people expected based on what the game had shown.

 

[Kontralta]

me personally, i'm not asking for there to be 100 different variations of the scenes, i just want an option not to lose her vaginal virginity on my main playthrough, i like to replay the scenes as a bottom or watever.

You ask for this. Others will ask for something else. So many people, so many wishes.