VN Ren'Py Eruption Imminent [v0.5.1] [MorriganRae]

[Ciaran8023]

Removing the choice to skip individual sex scenes does not remove all choices from the game. This game is a visual novel.

It removes all meaningful choices from a game. If you have a game where the only choice you have is the colour of the ice cream you order for example, that is something that should be considered as a kinetic novel. Completely unavoidable sex scenes is already something that a lot of F95 tends to dislike, and for good reason, and it makes even less sense in a game that has had some decent amount of choices in the earlier updates.

A visual novel isn't a game, a visual novel is literally a visual novel. Correct term would be visual novel software, as a game explicitely notes agency and interactivity.

EDIT- I also want to note that I think a lot of people are apprehensive about the precedence being set.
The Fiona scene is apparently unavoidable if you've interacted with her sexually before (I haven't played the update but that seems to be how it is), and that isn't exactly comforting, especially given the routes available and how they're written.
Imagine if you're interacting with an LI in a game and you decide to kiss, and two updates later you're unavoidably being spitroasted between her and her best friend or some shit without the ability to say no simply because of a choice you made several updates ago. This is a problem no matter how you look at it, even if it's something that the dev wants to do, it isn't exactly something that a lot people will be alright with.

 

[LordWanze]

Overall I thought the update was ok. I'm only interested in the siren route, so I expect smaller updates because of branching.

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All in all a rollercoaster, which is one of the biggest upsides of this game.
And Ashe is absolutely stunning, as always .

 

[Braga96]

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Fiona might have said that but after that scene where Fiona woke up with Ashe staring at her, or the spin the bottle kiss, or especially the handjob scene I dont think she really meant it at least when it comes to Ashe.

 

[vonali88]

where can i download 0.5.0?

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

You ask for this. Others will ask for something else. So many people, so many wishes.

This 100%.
The choice already exist to keep things on friends only terms with Fiona. The dev can't account for every people's desires, specially people on a pirate forum.

Exactly. Better to slap the Kinetic Novel tag on it and call it safe. The game up to 0.4 did feel like a kinetic novel to a degree, but imo you actually had MORE choice.

Hard disagree on that. This update was focused on the consequences of the choices in the previous update: sex between Ashe and Fiona or just a friendly sleepover; date night with Vanessa; flirting and sex with Lexi.
All those are direct consequences of what the players decided on update 0.4.

That is nowhere near a kinetic novel level.

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it's not going to drop here or what?

There will be a public release in november but it already leaked here.

 

[Avaron1974]

I like how the warning was given when 0.4 launched that you'd be put in certain routes based on choices and now people are complaining their choices put them on certain routes.

where can i download 0.5.0?

It is up, I didn't see it before, you'll have to go back a few pages.

 

[Kontralta]

Fiona might have said that but after that scene where Fiona woke up with Ashe staring at her, or the spin the bottle kiss, or especially the handjob scene I dont think she really meant it at least when it comes to Ashe.

When they woke up and Ashe said Fiona looked beautiful, Fiona was shocked by her words and calmed down when she realized Ashe didn't mean it in a romantic way. And the kiss, it wasn't real kiss.

 

[LegacyV01]

This 100%.
The choice already exist to keep things on friends only terms with Fiona. The dev can't account for every people's desires, specially people on a pirate forum.


Hard disagree on that. This update was focused on the consequences of the choices in the previous update: sex between Ashe and Fiona or just a friendly sleepover; date night with Vanessa; flirting and sex with Lexi.
All those are direct consequences of what the players decided on update 0.4.

That is nowhere near a kinetic novel level.


There will be a public release in november but it already leaked here.

I agree a traditional kinetic novel has basically no choice. what I should say is certain parts of this feel very kinetic when they shouldn't, and then other parts have great choices it's a bit jarring.

 

[Kontralta]

where can i download 0.5.0?

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[Braga96]

When they woke up and Ashe said Fiona looked beautiful, Fiona was shocked by her words and calmed down when she realized Ashe didn't mean it in a romantic way. And the kiss, it wasn't real kiss.

Bro that sounds like some extreme cope. If she was 100% not into futas she wouldnt have let Ashe give her a handjob. And by Ashe's own admission the kiss from Fiona was even hungrier and more intense than from Zoey.

 

[Kontralta]

Bro that sounds like some extreme cope. If she was 100% not into futas she wouldnt have let Ashe give her a handjob. And by Ashe's own admission the kiss from Fiona was even hungrier and more intense than from Zoey.

Fiona was drunk.

 

[RC-1138 Boss]

Bro that sounds like some extreme cope. If she was 100% not into futas she wouldnt have let Ashe give her a handjob. And by Ashe's own admission the kiss from Fiona was even hungrier and more intense than from Zoey.

Fiona was drunk.

"Straight until wet" is a saying that pretty much applies to Fiona and Ashe relationship.

I like how the warning was given when 0.4 launched that you'd be put in certain routes based on choices and now people are complaining their choices put them on certain routes.

Yep. F95 in a nutshell...

 

[Alley_Cat]

It‘s impressive that people just keep repeating the you should have expected Ashe to be the bottom when the criticism from virtually everyone who has talked about has been you don’t get a say in the matter, you can’t stop her. If you at one point decided to try something with Fiona you are on rails and can’t make any decisions. You don’t get to say no, let’s stop.

Don’t take away player agency without reason. If you only want this to be the way things can go. Provide an opportunity to end it before it gets to that stage. It is really such a minor thing to add, and it will avoid grievance for player’s who are okay with some hand and mouth stuff but don’t want to go further than that with said character.

And for crying out loud, if it doesn’t bother you that’s great. There is no reason to set up a straw man so you can pretend other people don‘t get to be annoyed.

The lack of agency is there when the package arrives too, you can move the scene where you want it to go without depriving your players of any control.

But yes, do go play it. Find out for yourself, and if you’re curious about the grievances I and others have with this episodes Siren route, try playing the previous episodes and comparing the two on player agency and meaningful choices.

There's literally scenes in this update that you can skip and straight up tell the character no, so why not have an option for that when it comes to sex with Fiona? I do think in the moment what happens between them makes sense, but not everyone thinks the same and Morrigan has shown they're willing to do this so why not do it with the Ashe Fiona scene? I can't help but feel like Morrigan wants Ashe and Fiona to be "Canon". lol

The point is choice, if there isn't a choice to say "hey, I don't want this, I'm not comfortable with it" then it's better to slap a kinetic tag on it.
You also noted the word 'game'. A game without choices isn't actually a game, it's just a visual novel.

I'm finding it curious all this talk about Ashe getting bottomed by Fiona, since I didn't get that scene. In fact, during the recap, it explicitly states they've decided to just remain platonic friends. Which is precisely how I see their relationship.

Not sure what choices I made for the difference, but the choices are there.

 

[doovel]

It's difficult to build and write a consistent route if the player has the option of skipping all the LI's sex scenes though, since every scene between them would have to account for any possible combination of previous scenes being skipped. If any sex scene is skippable, than all sex scenes become superfluous to the story, which beats the point of a porn game.

If future content on the Fiona path is built around the idea that she and Ashe have had sex, and Fiona isn't in the position yet that she'd be comfortable being the receiver, then of course it might be mandatory for her route to include a scene where Ashe gets fucked by her. Hell, in this episode her character development focuses on her concerns about how her and Ashe's relationship will change due to them becoming sexually intimate.

Then reset the path, add some dialogue "Yeah this wasn't going to work, let's just go back to being friends". Badabing badaboom your player is back to the path where she isn't romantically or sexually involved with Fiona. The dev is writing that path anyway. Just need a little bridge back to it.

I like how the warning was given when 0.4 launched that you'd be put in certain routes based on choices and now people are complaining their choices put them on certain routes.

It is up, I didn't see it before, you'll have to go back a few pages.

None of that implies you get no further choice as a player. Just because you ate my pussy once, doesn't mean you get to then fuck my pussy the next time we meet. That is not how that works in any sane reality.

Can we stop ignoring the actual complaint and just address it?

The complaint isn't that you're on the route, the complaint is that you made a choice in a previous episode that now results in a full on sex scene where that character takes your vaginal virginity with zero possibility for the player to say "no, I don't actually want that" or "yes, please fill my dripping wet pussy with your thick throbbing girl cock and make me scream and cream myself".

We're not asking for much here..

 

[doovel]

I'm finding it curious all this talk about Ashe getting bottomed by Fiona, since I didn't get that scene. In fact, during the recap, it explicitly states they've decided to just remain platonic friends. Which is precisely how I see their relationship.

Not sure what choices I made for the difference, but the choices are there.

That is literally the option we want as a choice before the big fuckening happens.
F: "Can I fuck you, like in the pussy?"
A option 1: "Yes pretty please"
A option 2: "I'd rather just be friends"

 

[Ciaran8023]

I'm finding it curious all this talk about Ashe getting bottomed by Fiona, since I didn't get that scene. In fact, during the recap, it explicitly states they've decided to just remain platonic friends. Which is precisely how I see their relationship.

Not sure what choices I made for the difference, but the choices are there.

From what I've gathered, as I haven't played the update, the "choice" is whether or not you've decided to do anything sexual with Fiona before, which was like update 2 or something? Update 3? It's been like a year since, if not more, so I can't fully recall.

What's baffling people is basically how one choice made some updates ago is now removing choice in the future, because it's such a jarring thing compared to other games aswell.
It's like deciding to buy some chicken for dinner instead of the usual beef, contract salmonella and simply go "well, it's the consequence of my action, BETTER JUST DIE THEN" instead of y'know.. choosing not death? The lack of choice where there should be one is what's jarring, just because someone went "oh alright" to a LI previously doesn't mean that they're now essentially free-use for that character nor should they be.

EDIT;

None of that implies you get no further choice as a player. Just because you at my pussy once, doesn't mean you get to then fuck my pussy the next time we meet. That is not how that works in any sane reality.

Can we stop ignoring the actual complaint and just address it?

The complaint isn't that you're on the route, the complaint is that you made a choice in a previous episode that now results in a full on sex scene where that character takes your vaginal virginity with zero possibility for the player to say "no, I don't actually want that" or "yes, please fill my dripping wet pussy with your thick throbbing girl cock and make me scream and cream myself".

We're not asking for much here..

This dude summed it up perfectly, couldn't have put it better myself.

 

[Kontralta]

That is literally the option we want as a choice before the big fuckening happens.
F: "Can I fuck you, like in the pussy?"
A option 1: "Yes pretty please"
A option 2: "I'd rather just be friends"

Dev thinks this scene is important, same thing happened with Zoey. That's it. Stop complaining already.

 

[Ciaran8023]

Dev thinks this scene is important, same thing happened with Zoey. That's it. Stop complaining already.

If the dev thought this scene was important, we wouldn't have gotten the option to deny Fiona anything beforehand either. There's quite clearly a scene that ISN'T sex as several people have gotten that, meaning that it isn't the same type of deal as Zoey.
Stop trying to imply that.

 

[LegacyV01]

Then reset the path, add some dialogue "Yeah this wasn't going to work, let's just go back to being friends". Badabing badaboom your player is back to the path where she isn't romantically or sexually involved with Fiona. The dev is writing that path anyway. Just need a little bridge back to it.


None of that implies you get no further choice as a player. Just because you at my pussy once, doesn't mean you get to then fuck my pussy the next time we meet. That is not how that works in any sane reality.

Can we stop ignoring the actual complaint and just address it?

The complaint isn't that you're on the route, the complaint is that you made a choice in a previous episode that now results in a full on sex scene where that character takes your vaginal virginity with zero possibility for the player to say "no, I don't actually want that" or "yes, please fill my dripping wet pussy with your thick throbbing girl cock and make me scream and cream myself".

We're not asking for much here..

Exactly... we aren't criticizing Fiona, we like Fiona. We wouldn't have let Fiona go down on Ashe if we didn't like her lol. The problem is that YOU get to CHOOSE if Fiona goes down on Ashe, but you DONT get to CHOOSE if Fiona takes her virginity which is a bigger deal than some head. I like that Fiona was the one to take it, and I like how it happened, but not everyone that likes Fiona or that liked an oral only thing with Fiona wants to be FORCED into sex with her. You aren't forced to to let her give you head, but if you do let her then you are forced to take her dick next time you two hangout? This just isn't going to sit right with some people, and rightfully so. I find the argument "well you're on fiona's path so you chose to get dicked by her, and if you didn't want that don't choose her path" terrible.

 

[doovel]

Dev thinks this scene is important, same thing happened with Zoey. That's it. Stop complaining already.

Mate you can't be for real, there is literally a path without her being romantically or sexually involved with Ashe. It is such a minor thing to add a bridge back to that path.

That's it. Stop complaining already.