InkAndSaliva

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It's difficult to build and write a consistent route if the player has the option of skipping all the LI's sex scenes though, since every scene between them would have to account for any possible combination of previous scenes being skipped. If any sex scene is skippable, than all sex scenes become superfluous to the story, which beats the point of a porn game.

If future content on the Fiona path is built around the idea that she and Ashe have had sex, and Fiona isn't in the position yet that she'd be comfortable being the receiver, then of course it might be mandatory for her route to include a scene where Ashe gets fucked by her. Hell, in this episode her character development focuses on her concerns about how her and Ashe's relationship will change due to them becoming sexually intimate.
 

Ciaran8023

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It's difficult to build and write a consistent route if the player has the option of skipping all the LI's sex scenes though, since every scene between them would have to account for any possible combination of previous scenes being skipped. If any sex scene is skippable, than all sex scenes become superfluous to the story, which beats the point of a porn game.
The point is choice, if there isn't a choice to say "hey, I don't want this, I'm not comfortable with it" then it's better to slap a kinetic tag on it.
You also noted the word 'game'. A game without choices isn't actually a game, it's just a visual novel.
 

LegacyV01

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It's difficult to build and write a consistent route if the player has the option of skipping all the LI's sex scenes though, since every scene between them would have to account for any possible combination of previous scenes being skipped. If any sex scene is skippable, than all sex scenes become superfluous to the story, which beats the point of a porn game.

If future content on the Fiona path is built around the idea that she and Ashe have had sex, and Fiona isn't in the position yet that she'd be comfortable being the receiver, then of course it might be mandatory for her route to include a scene where Ashe gets fucked by her. Hell, in this episode her character development focuses on her concerns about how her and Ashe's relationship will change due to them becoming sexually intimate.
I think this leads it to feeling more Kinetic Novely, which just isn't what people expected with routes/"more" choice being added.
 

Avaron1974

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Coz Futas are imaginary. To be a futa game you need actual world-building, either to explain how they come into existence, or give a detailed description of what the different social norms are in a world where futas exist as-is. In HHT it's just a girl who grows a dick in a lab accident and that's it. You can replace her literally with a dude and it makes absolutely no difference to the plot.
Considering the plot to HAHT is finding out how a dick grew on a woman and how to cure here, replacing her with a dude would be weird as fuck.

So you're pretty much talking bollocks.
 

InkAndSaliva

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The point is choice, if there isn't a choice to say "hey, I don't want this, I'm not comfortable with it" then it's better to slap a kinetic tag on it.
You also noted the word 'game'. A game without choices isn't actually a game, it's just a visual novel.
Removing the choice to skip individual sex scenes does not remove all choices from the game. This game is a visual novel.
 

LegacyV01

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The point is choice, if there isn't a choice to say "hey, I don't want this, I'm not comfortable with it" then it's better to slap a kinetic tag on it.
You also noted the word 'game'. A game without choices isn't actually a game, it's just a visual novel.
Exactly. Better to slap the Kinetic Novel tag on it and call it safe. The game up to 0.4 did feel like a kinetic novel to a degree, but imo you actually had MORE choice.
 

Ciaran8023

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Removing the choice to skip individual sex scenes does not remove all choices from the game. This game is a visual novel.
It removes all meaningful choices from a game. If you have a game where the only choice you have is the colour of the ice cream you order for example, that is something that should be considered as a kinetic novel. Completely unavoidable sex scenes is already something that a lot of F95 tends to dislike, and for good reason, and it makes even less sense in a game that has had some decent amount of choices in the earlier updates.

A visual novel isn't a game, a visual novel is literally a visual novel. Correct term would be visual novel software, as a game explicitely notes agency and interactivity.

EDIT- I also want to note that I think a lot of people are apprehensive about the precedence being set.
The Fiona scene is apparently unavoidable if you've interacted with her sexually before (I haven't played the update but that seems to be how it is), and that isn't exactly comforting, especially given the routes available and how they're written.
Imagine if you're interacting with an LI in a game and you decide to kiss, and two updates later you're unavoidably being spitroasted between her and her best friend or some shit without the ability to say no simply because of a choice you made several updates ago. This is a problem no matter how you look at it, even if it's something that the dev wants to do, it isn't exactly something that a lot people will be alright with.
 

LordWanze

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Overall I thought the update was ok. I'm only interested in the siren route, so I expect smaller updates because of branching.

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All in all a rollercoaster, which is one of the biggest upsides of this game.
And Ashe is absolutely stunning, as always :love:.
 
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You ask for this. Others will ask for something else. So many people, so many wishes.
This 100%.
The choice already exist to keep things on friends only terms with Fiona. The dev can't account for every people's desires, specially people on a pirate forum.

Exactly. Better to slap the Kinetic Novel tag on it and call it safe. The game up to 0.4 did feel like a kinetic novel to a degree, but imo you actually had MORE choice.
Hard disagree on that. This update was focused on the consequences of the choices in the previous update: sex between Ashe and Fiona or just a friendly sleepover; date night with Vanessa; flirting and sex with Lexi.
All those are direct consequences of what the players decided on update 0.4.

That is nowhere near a kinetic novel level.

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it's not going to drop here or what?
There will be a public release in november but it already leaked here.
 
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