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WOW just take it easy man, it's just fiction, although I understand you some situations in other games make me very angry, I guess we have other standards of tolerance for bad things that happen to the MC, honestly in my opinion Ashe doesn't have it so bad.
I mean we absolutely do since no two humans are alike, but it's not really a question of 'tolerance' and moreso what's morally and objectively reprehensible.
Just because certain individuals might normalize some behaviour doesn't mean that behaviour is acceptable.

As he said, if you're into coercion and sexual assault, that's great since there's a lot of content for you, but it doesn't mean that the content or the character is non-problematic even if it's fictional. I think where he, I and a fair few others start reacting is more towards individuals in the thread who tries to normalize that character and the actions and slap a huge "it's no big deal" on it when in fact they probably should consider it a bigger deal in terms of morality.

And again, sure it's fiction, there's no issue with finding it hot but trying to defend the morality of it kind of is an issue.
I will say it is kind of annoying seeing people cherry-pick arguments or certain words to gloss over the entire thing, clearly not understanding the point of the post to begin with.
 

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Hi everyone. I can see you're having a lively conversation about rape, so don't mind me but I just want to ask one simple question.

I need to know if Delilah (Fiona's younger sister) is female or not. I just started this recently and it's pretty good, but the one thing that annoys me is that every other character is a futa. I'm here for futa x female, so I very much need Delilah to NOT have a penis for me to continue being interested in her.
 
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Hi everyone. I can see you're having a lively conversation about rape, so don't mind me but I just want to ask one simple question.

I need to know if Delilah (Fiona's younger sister) is female or not. I just started this recently and it's pretty good, but the one thing that annoys me is that every other character is a futa. I'm here for futa x female, so I very much need Delilah to NOT have a penis for me to continue being interested in her.
Delilah, to everyone's knowledge and as far as I know, is entirely female.
You also have Zoey and Vanessa who are entirely female aswell.
 

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Hi everyone. I can see you're having a lively conversation about rape, so don't mind me but I just want to ask one simple question.

I need to know if Delilah (Fiona's younger sister) is female or not. I just started this recently and it's pretty good, but the one thing that annoys me is that every other character is a futa. I'm here for futa x female, so I very much need Delilah to NOT have a penis for me to continue being interested in her.
Here you can see which characters have a vagina and which ones have a penis.
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I mean we absolutely do since no two humans are alike, but it's not really a question of 'tolerance' and moreso what's morally and objectively reprehensible.
Just because certain individuals might normalize some behaviour doesn't mean that behaviour is acceptable.

As he said, if you're into coercion and sexual assault, that's great since there's a lot of content for you, but it doesn't mean that the content or the character is non-problematic even if it's fictional. I think where he, I and a fair few others start reacting is more towards individuals in the thread who tries to normalize that character and the actions and slap a huge "it's no big deal" on it when in fact they probably should consider it a bigger deal in terms of morality.

And again, sure it's fiction, there's no issue with finding it hot but trying to defend the morality of it kind of is an issue.
I will say it is kind of annoying seeing people cherry-pick arguments or certain words to gloss over the entire thing, clearly not understanding the point of the post to begin with.
It's just that if we get so extremely moralistic you take all the fun out of the game, you want Ashe to score with Rachel or her mother, burn sinner that's incest, you want to fuck Kate's mother, to jail for messing with a married woman, you can't mess with Delilah because Fiona told you to and a big etc., this isn't “Friends in Need” you are literally drowning in a glass of water.
 

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It's just that if we get so extremely moralistic you take all the fun out of the game, you want Ashe to score with Rachel or her mother, burn sinner that's incest, you want to fuck Kate's mother, to jail for messing with a married woman, you can't mess with Delilah because Fiona told you to and a big etc., this isn't “Friends in Need” you are literally drowning in a glass of water.
There's a vast difference between discussing moralistic consequences of fetishes and moralistic consequences of ignoring consent. This is kind of what I'm talking about with people not understanding the point, because even if you discuss something like incest, at a baseline you are still discussing and arguing from the point of view of consent which is MUCH easier to navigate from a moral standpoint because both parties are on the same page and one party won't be irrevocably fucked up due to the other.

You can find PLENTY of incestuous relationships in real life, you can find plenty of examples of cheating and such, but there's a reason why non-consent is only ever relegated to fantasy or roleplaying, because the reality of that situation is beyond morally reprehensible.

This is the core argument as to why me and a few others are noting that just saying "oh this character is fine" isn't exactly fine because you can't compare what's going on with that character with any other fetish representation in this game, and it's pretty messed up seeing people defend that.
Even with it being fiction, the fact that certain people in here can't even admit that "alright yeah it's fucked up but I like it" and instead try to defend that character is just nuts to me.
 

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Holly fuck! This table is amazing!

There are a few characters I either don't recall or never have seen Aya, Chanel or Brook or Banshee.

Are there characters that are exclusive to certain routes? I have not played the siren route yet.
Lexi is exclusive to the Siren route at the moment, most of the girls are in all routes.

Those characters, Aya, Chanel, Brooke, are porn stars that Ashe sees at the beginning, Banshee is from a porn horror movie.
 
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Holly fuck! This table is amazing!

There are a few characters I either don't recall or never have seen Aya, Chanel or Brook or Banshee.

Are there characters that are exclusive to certain routes? I have not played the siren route yet.
Most likely yeah, Stella is specific to the CQ route as far as I know for example.
I honestly don't remember seeing any of them either.
 
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I'm a little curious that an unknown mono called Kendra might cuck our Ashe. But then that's mainly from calling her RapeCop continuously, I forgot her name and was confusing her with RapeCop from Red Room.
I mean given the ties, it might be someone of familial relation to Evelyn, meaning probably a sister if it is.. not sure where any cucking could happen there but I guess it depends on how fucked up the CQ route gets.

EDIT- I honestly can't recall if Evelyn ever spoke of her family in the game before, so I can't remember anything to verify this theory at all.
 

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This last update, Ashe became more confident in the Siren Path, from banging Lexi on the beach to then having a sex call with Zoey to straight up asking Vanessa for a blowjob showing her dick to her (Vanessa grabbed it, heh) and then confidently kissing her later, which led to Venessa getting horny for Ashe (shame they didn't go further though), i want Ashe to just accept that devilish side of her and start going for girls she wants to fuck, Evelyn and Rachel are the first in mind, i'll wait to see what Morrigan has in store for the Siren Path because it's the only path there is for me and i'm liking Ashe's progression thus far
 

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I mean given the ties, it might be someone of familial relation to Evelyn, meaning probably a sister if it is.. not sure where any cucking could happen there but I guess it depends on how fucked up the CQ route gets.

EDIT- I honestly can't recall if Evelyn ever spoke of her family in the game before, so I can't remember anything to verify this theory at all.
My personal tinfoil theory is that it is Delilah and Fiona's other Mother, wife of Kate, Victoria. Victoria has been been away on business, we know Kate slept with Ashe twice pretty easily (if you chose for her to), so maybe that's part of their relationship history. Either an open relationship or Kate stepping out of their marriage. Maybe Victoria has a camera set up in their marital bedroom. The room where Ashe lost her virginity. A room that Ashe moved around in, trying to keep Zoey from seeing her duplo status, but never thinking about a potential camera.

Who could have an easier time recruiting Delilah to spy on Ashe, than one of her moms? Especially if Victoria framed it as something good for Ashe in the long run. But it would also be a situation that Delilah would struggle with, and feel guilty about. Let information slip that she wasn't supposed to, and have to lie to cover it up.

The timeline could work. There's a lot of room for motive, but the fact that the blackmail so far has been rather benign, as these things go, and mostly pushing Ashe to be more sexually confident, suggest that the blackmailer isn't purely out to hurt Ashe.

Victoria's been off-screen so far, but is a named character and a family friend. It balances out it not being completely out of left field, without also having the blackmailer under our nose the entire time.

I'd love if it could be disproven, because it's an itch in the back of my mind that won't be resolved for months if not years, depending on what chapter that plotline finishes up.

It could maybe be Aunt Kendra, or a secretly alive mom (Jane), but that seems far-fetched.
 
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My personal tinfoil theory is that Delilah and Fiona's other Mother, wife of Kate, Victoria. Victoria has been been away on business, we know Kate slept with Ashe twice pretty easily (if you chose for her to), so maybe that's part of their relationship history. Either an open relationship or Kate stepping out of their marriage. Maybe Victoria has a camera set up in their marital bedroom. The room where Ashe lost her virginity. A room that Ashe moved around in, trying to keep Zoey from seeing her duplo status, but never thinking about a potential camera.

Who could have an easier time recruiting Delilah to spy on Ashe, than one of her moms? Especially if Victoria framed it as something good for Ashe in the long run. But it would also be a situation that Delilah would struggle with, and feel guilty about. Let information slip that she wasn't supposed to, and have to lie to cover it up.

The timeline could work. There's a lot of room for motive, but the fact that the blackmail so far has been rather benign, as these things go, and mostly pushing Ashe to be more sexually confident, suggest that the blackmailer isn't purely out to hurt Ashe.

Victoria's been off-screen so far, but is a named character and a family friend. It balances out it not being completely out of left field, without also having the blackmailer under our nose the entire time.

I'd love if it could be disproven, because it's an itch in the back of my mind that won't be resolved for months if not years, depending on what chapter that plotline finishes up.

It could maybe be Aunt Jane, or a secretly alive mom (Kendra), but that seems far-fetched.
Well, I don't think that it could possibly be disproven given what we know thus far.. as in we don't really know much other than Delilah obviously being in on it to some capacity.
I guess it's just a bit difficult for me to see a reason for it for a few reasons that comes to mind when I start thinking about it.
What purpose would she have to blackmail Ashe? As you said it's a fairly benign type of blackmailing that seems to try to push Ashe out of her comfort zone but if we assume that it's Victoria then there are a few issues that pop up;
If her and Kate are in an open relationship, then Victoria wouldn't really gain anything from trying to blackmail Ashe.
If her and Kate aren't in an open relationship, then the blackmail would be FAR less benign.
And there's also the question of why she would involve Delilah to begin with given that Delilah is generally pretty naive and doesn't fully seem to understand right from wrong, so why would Victoria rope her into what she's doing when it doesn't really achieve anything besides giving Delilah some skewed morals and views on things?

I suppose that Victoria might be a complete fucking nutcase since the dev seemingly likes to create shitty personality characters, so that would explain why Victoria might include her simply for the "shits and giggles" but it seems kind of unlikely.


Honestly, the reason that it's so benign is why I've always leaned more towards Delilah since she.. well truthfully, she's basically a stereotypical naive anime protagonist in behaviour so she doesn't really know shit, and Fiona noting a few times that she gets a bit psycho in regards to Ashe.
This blackmail thing really is annoying me because it's either Delilah and no one will be surprised, or it's someone entirely out of left field that we probably haven't seen before and it'll just feel hollow because it's essentially character build up for a character we don't know. There's not really anyone else that has the knowledge/capacity/interest to blackmail..
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Well, I don't think that it could possibly be disproven given what we know thus far.. as in we don't really know much other than Delilah obviously being in on it to some capacity.
I guess it's just a bit difficult for me to see a reason for it for a few reasons that comes to mind when I start thinking about it.
What purpose would she have to blackmail Ashe? As you said it's a fairly benign type of blackmailing that seems to try to push Ashe out of her comfort zone but if we assume that it's Victoria then there are a few issues that pop up;
If her and Kate are in an open relationship, then Victoria wouldn't really gain anything from trying to blackmail Ashe.
If her and Kate aren't in an open relationship, then the blackmail would be FAR less benign.
And there's also the question of why she would involve Delilah to begin with given that Delilah is generally pretty naive and doesn't fully seem to understand right from wrong, so why would Victoria rope her into what she's doing when it doesn't really achieve anything besides giving Delilah some skewed morals and views on things?

I suppose that Victoria might be a complete fucking nutcase since the dev seemingly likes to create shitty personality characters, so that would explain why Victoria might include her simply for the "shits and giggles" but it seems kind of unlikely.


Honestly, the reason that it's so benign is why I've always leaned more towards Delilah since she.. well truthfully, she's basically a stereotypical naive anime protagonist in behaviour so she doesn't really know shit, and Fiona noting a few times that she gets a bit psycho in regards to Ashe.
This blackmail thing really is annoying me because it's either Delilah and no one will be surprised, or it's someone entirely out of left field that we probably haven't seen before and it'll just feel hollow because it's essentially character build up for a character we don't know. There's not really anyone else that has the knowledge/capacity/interest to blackmail..
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Some possible counter-points: If Victoria and Kate are in an open relationship Victoria may want a slice of Ashe herself, especially if Kate has filled her in on their extra-curricular activities. Getting a duplo as your unicorn third? Especially turning a platonic family friend and neighbour into your sexual plaything, that's a lot of juice for someone that gets turned on by any of that, and the only thing the blackmailer has touched on is sex. Bonus theory, Victoria is a secret duplo too, and wants to help Ashe reach her full sexual potential.

If they aren't in an open relationship then it definitely feels like it could be more malevolent, and it's motivated by revenge. Which is still a powerful motivation, and doesn't fully negate her potentially wanting Ashe for her self in some way, but that has a power play layered on top of it.

The reason to involve Delilah would be assistance and logistics. Victoria is off, wherever, on a business trip (or 'business trip'), while her daughter with an ill-hidden crush on Ashe is right there. Maybe Victoria, with her connections, helped Delilah get that internship. Maybe she's convinced herself and Delilah this is all for Ashe's benefit in the long run. Maybe she's taking advantage of Delilah's crush and using her to better plot and enact her revenge. But tracking Ashe, observing her date with Vanessa, these are much harder to do if you don't have someone on the ground to help. My theory is drones for surveillance, combined with Delilah moped(motorcycling)ing around behind Ashe, finding a place to set up, then piloting the drone. Someone seeing one of the places Ashe and Vanessa went on their date, not too difficult, but both? Some random rooftop patio and then the college girl house? That's much trickier, in my book.

Delilah seems too involved to be a pure red herring, and the whole scheme seems a bit too far for her to have done by herself, especially with how in this last chapter we see her behaving conflicted. Which is why it seems likely to me she is involved, but not the mastermind. And who could she possibly accept that dynamic with, when Ashe, her longstanding crush, is the target. Someone she deeply trusts. Family. Kate seems unlikely, since she walked in on Ashe and Zoey, and is already 'corrupting' Ashe, making the blackmail redundant. Fiona...it seems like a stretch she'd collaborate with Delilah on something like this, or have a plan with so many moving parts. Who else does Delilah know? Evelyn, Rachel, probably Isabella. And Victoria. I don't see Evelyn ever being a part of this, she'd rip them apart with her mama-bear paws. Rachel...that'd be a fucking betrayal and a half if it was her, especially with the distance she's put between herself and Ashe, and I don't see Delilah getting roped in to something that messy. And I can't see how Delilah would side with Isabella against Ashe. So, by process of elimination, Victoria comes up again.
 

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Well, I don't think that it could possibly be disproven given what we know thus far.. as in we don't really know much other than Delilah obviously being in on it to some capacity.
Moira, Natasha, and Marita have all been mentioned as possibilities, but the motivation and timing for Moira seems especially weak. The method seems like too much effort for Natasha, she's happy using more blunt types of coercion. And I never really understood why some commenters thought it could be Marita, unless it's just the 'last person you'd expect' type of thing, and then we could throw Spike or some of those other randoms on the bottom row I can't recall where they're from.

Victoria and Kendra are the two biggest characters close to Ashe we haven't seen yet in the story. And of those two, Victoria has the potential opportunity to discover Ashe's secret the same night the first blackmail message comes in.
 

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Some possible counter-points: If Victoria and Kate are in an open relationship Victoria may want a slice of Ashe herself, especially if Kate has filled her in on their extra-curricular activities. Getting a duplo as your unicorn third? Especially turning a platonic family friend and neighbour into your sexual plaything, that's a lot of juice for someone that gets turned on by any of that, and the only thing the blackmailer has touched on is sex. Bonus theory, Victoria is a secret duplo too, and wants to help Ashe reach her full sexual potential.
I mean at that point, Ashe is already technically intimate with Kate so all Victoria would have to do is to just.. ask?
Going out of her way to blackmail Ashe seems so roundabout compared to just sending a text being all like "Hey, I know you're fucking my wife, I find it hot and we're in an open relationship so let's organize something".

I dunno, I don't think I'm buying this possibility, it seems so contrived and unnatural, so let's see the other points.

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If they aren't in an open relationship then it definitely feels like it could be more malevolent, and it's motivated by revenge. Which is still a powerful motivation, and doesn't fully negate her potentially wanting Ashe for her self in some way, but that has a power play layered on top of it.
That's possible, power-play or coercion could be a type of kink for her, though I feel like it should be more malevolent if her blackmail comes from a perspective of "hey, you fucked my wife you piece of shit". Usually those types of blackmails attempt to land the victim in a much bigger mess, but as noted it's been very benign thus far.

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The reason to involve Delilah would be assistance and logistics. Victoria is off, wherever, on a business trip (or 'business trip'), while her daughter with an ill-hidden crush on Ashe is right there. Maybe Victoria, with her connections, helped Delilah get that internship. Maybe she's convinced herself and Delilah this is all for Ashe's benefit in the long run. Maybe she's taking advantage of Delilah's crush and using her to better plot and enact her revenge. But tracking Ashe, observing her date with Vanessa, these are much harder to do if you don't have someone on the ground to help. My theory is drones for surveillance, combined with Delilah moped(motorcycling)ing around behind Ashe, finding a place to set up, then piloting the drone. Someone seeing one of the places Ashe and Vanessa went on their date, not too difficult, but both? Some random rooftop patio and then the college girl house? That's much trickier, in my book.
That's fair but it also seems a bit strange from the perspective of a parent to not just hire someone. If it's mainly for surveillance then using someone who Ashe knows quite a lot is very much a double edged sword as Ashe likely wouldn't even realize if she saw some random chick more than once while being out on the town, but she knows Delilah and would be able to recognize her fairly easily, meaning that if Ashe spotted her more than once in conjunction with the blackmails then her naturally anxious personality would instantly start to raise red flags.

Plus, wouldn't Fiona potentially pick up on it aswell? Delilah quite obviously sucks at a poker face so even just a random "hey, where have you been?" question from Fiona towards Delilah after Del was out spying on Ashe & Vanessa would likely have her acting REAL suspicious.

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Delilah seems too involved to be a pure red herring, and the whole scheme seems a bit too far for her to have done by herself, especially with how in this last chapter we see her behaving conflicted. Which is why it seems likely to me she is involved, but not the mastermind. And who could she possibly accept that dynamic with, when Ashe, her longstanding crush, is the target. Someone she deeply trusts. Family. Kate seems unlikely, since she walked in on Ashe and Zoey, and is already 'corrupting' Ashe, making the blackmail redundant. Fiona...it seems like a stretch she'd collaborate with Delilah on something like this, or have a plan with so many moving parts. Who else does Delilah know? Evelyn, Rachel, probably Isabella. And Victoria. I don't see Evelyn ever being a part of this, she'd rip them apart with her mama-bear paws. Rachel...that'd be a fucking betrayal and a half if it was her, especially with the distance she's put between herself and Ashe, and I don't see Delilah getting roped in to something that messy. And I can't see how Delilah would side with Isabella against Ashe. So, by process of elimination, Victoria comes up again.
There have been plenty of criminals being conflicted with what they're putting someone through, so it isn't really an indication that she's not the mastermind. If anything, it feels like it is more indicative of it given that her thought process is likely along the lines of "I don't want to put her through this, but it's for <insert reason here>". I'll delve more into it below.

I think the main issue of it is the severity or lack thereof. We've both noted that it's too benign to be done with harmful intent, and it seems to be geared towards mentally cornering Ashe and becoming more sexual and if we look at it from that perspective, we know that the blackmailer is someone who stands to gain from Ashe in that scenario and given that also focuses on stressing her out and mentally cornering her, it seems to more point to someone in Ashe's immediate surrounding that also could theoretically find out about Ashe's duplo status.

-Victoria, following that logic, wouldn't really fit as she doesn't really gain anything from blackmail if her and Kate is in an open relationship, and it's too benign to be revenge aswell if her and Kate aren't in an open relationship. Plus, while we don't know much about her, I doubt that she would pull Delilah into something as illegal as blackmailing. It's hard to thumb on the bonds of family like that, it would mean that Victoria doesn't really value her daughter much as a hired goon would be much easier to do and to deal with that also wouldn't have any annoying strings. She's also far away and wouldn't really gain something from blackmailing Ashe into becoming more sexual right now unless it's to fuck Kate more? But at that point, as said, it would be easier to just talk to Ashe about it?

-Delilah herself still, in my eyes, remains a candidate solely for how benign the blackmail has been. We know that she's way too into Ashe and that she's weird about it, she's woefully naive and seem to have some sort of romanticization towards her. One of my running theories is that she's gotten herself into a "knight in shining armor" complex where she wants to corner Ashe to make her come to Delilah with her problem so Delilah can "magically" fix it. It would explain why she's so conflicted about it, and why she blurted out about knowing that Ashe is a duplo, to reassure Ashe that "hey, you can trust me, I just want what's best for you" type deal.

-Fiona could potentially want to monopolize Ashe herself. She's been telling Ashe to get laid for a long time but she's also more or less ALWAYS been at Ashe's side, she could have seen Ashe during the sleepover and she might be telling Ashe that Delilah is weird to make sure that Ashe doesn't end up with Delilah. Her infatuation might be for Ashe herself, or she might be projecting Rachel onto Ashe and figuring "it's close enough". It's a weaker theory given that Fiona doesn't really behave in a way that would indicate her doing any blackmailing.

-Kate is pretty much written off for me, I really can't see any reason as to why she would blackmail Ashe given that she's already (potentially atleast) intimate with her so she doesn't need Ashe to become more sexualized and I don't really think she even knows that Ashe is holding back due to her status.

-Zoey is also someone that I've written off, she seems to just be into dicks and wants to fuck around as much as humanly possible, it would be out of character for her to focus so intently on one person when she can just devour a random dick at will like some sort of turbo succubus.

-Moira has the means of finding out Ashe's duplo status due to her status and potentially accessing medical files. She might have picked up an interest from the ill-fated dinner date and wants to fuck around with someone her daughter likes, or she might want to put Vanessa in her place by manhandling Ashe as a sort of 'hey, I can get to whomever I want, obey me' type of spiel. However she doesn't come across as someone who seems to stoop to that level and it feels like she'd view blackmailing as a waste of time for someone like Ashe when she could just sic bodyguards or hire people for shit as you said, it just feels off.

I think out of the people we are aware of, Delilah still feels like the most logical culprit thus far out of the people we know, but it feels like it's going to be someone we've never heard or seen of before. Or it might be tied in with information that we haven't gotten to know in the game thus far which would be.. kind of annoying and underwhelming.
Rachel would be a fucking WILD twist and it would thoroughly cement that character as my most hated in any form of media. Kind of praying that it isn't something like that.

EDIT- out of the characters we do somewhat know, I would rank Victoria second solely due to your arguments making more sense than any of the other characters for sure, but it doesn't click well enough for me to be convinced to push her to a #1 culprit status.
 
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There's a vast difference between discussing moralistic consequences of fetishes and moralistic consequences of ignoring consent. This is kind of what I'm talking about with people not understanding the point, because even if you discuss something like incest, at a baseline you are still discussing and arguing from the point of view of consent which is MUCH easier to navigate from a moral standpoint because both parties are on the same page and one party won't be irrevocably fucked up due to the other.

You can find PLENTY of incestuous relationships in real life, you can find plenty of examples of cheating and such, but there's a reason why non-consent is only ever relegated to fantasy or roleplaying, because the reality of that situation is beyond morally reprehensible.

This is the core argument as to why me and a few others are noting that just saying "oh this character is fine" isn't exactly fine because you can't compare what's going on with that character with any other fetish representation in this game, and it's pretty messed up seeing people defend that.
Even with it being fiction, the fact that certain people in here can't even admit that "alright yeah it's fucked up but I like it" and instead try to defend that character is just nuts to me.
Not sure many would argue that Natasha is a good person or behaves well, or that her actions are legal. But equally, there are those on here who bang on about her being 'RapeCop' when, if the player chooses it, the most she does is grope, drop her towel in a gym changing room and then grope, for which she is kicked in the face. Low grade sexual assault? Yep. Wrong? Yep. Worth all the preaching? Nope.

If Ashe is turned on what happens with Natasha and allows it to continue and escalate then we have a very exciting consensual dynamic. If not, we don't. End of, so far.
 

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You make a lot of good points. Thanks for bouncing ideas around, it's fun!
I mean at that point, Ashe is already technically intimate with Kate so all Victoria would have to do is to just.. ask?
Going out of her way to blackmail Ashe seems so roundabout compared to just sending a text being all like "Hey, I know you're fucking my wife, I find it hot and we're in an open relationship so let's organize something".

I dunno, I don't think I'm buying this possibility, it seems so contrived and unnatural, so let's see the other points.
Why blackmail, when you can just ask? That is a great point, and I think whoever is revealed to be the blackmailer it will revolve around the nature of the blackmail being centred on sexual pedagogy for Ashe. Why is it so benign and sexual? Finding that combination will be the key. As for Victoria, she may have seen how messed up Ashe is, how harsh on herself, how insecure, etc., and this whole production is a way to open her doors and come to grips with her own sexuality. A bit like her dream demon self. Maybe Victoria wants to either prepare her for Delilah, or show Delilah how Ashe isn't going to be a good fit for her? I don't know, but I don't think the theory is necessarily blown up, but it does need more nuance. It could even be a shotgun of motivations, with some altruistic, some inherently selfish and sexual. The form of the blackmail, 'try out this anal plug,' 'take sexy pics of yourself,' 'try and get laid on your date,' really don't match the seriousness of blackmail. It's more like a game, some kinky foreplay that Ashe has been coerced into.

-Delilah herself still, in my eyes, remains a candidate solely for how benign the blackmail has been. We know that she's way too into Ashe and that she's weird about it, she's woefully naive and seem to have some sort of romanticization towards her. One of my running theories is that she's gotten herself into a "knight in shining armor" complex where she wants to corner Ashe to make her come to Delilah with her problem so Delilah can "magically" fix it. It would explain why she's so conflicted about it, and why she blurted out about knowing that Ashe is a duplo, to reassure Ashe that "hey, you can trust me, I just want what's best for you" type deal.
Delilah as a white knight is a very interesting theory. I like that. Not sure if it's how it will play out, but the pieces are there. That implies that she found out when Ashe and Zoey fucked at the sleepover, and she came up with the plan on the fly. Possible, but I get the feeling Delilah would need more time to mentally build herself up to that.

-Fiona could potentially want to monopolize Ashe herself. She's been telling Ashe to get laid for a long time but she's also more or less ALWAYS been at Ashe's side, she could have seen Ashe during the sleepover and she might be telling Ashe that Delilah is weird to make sure that Ashe doesn't end up with Delilah. Her infatuation might be for Ashe herself, or she might be projecting Rachel onto Ashe and figuring "it's close enough". It's a weaker theory given that Fiona doesn't really behave in a way that would indicate her doing any blackmailing.
Fiona seems pretty stoked for Ashe's hookups, like Lexi, and so determined to keep themselves casual, I can't quite see it. But good to look at every possibility. I'd be very surprised, as it just doesn't feel like her style. Her style was to watch porn with Ashe and eat her out. And hang out and fuck her another day. It's so 'go with the flow' compared to the manipulation and effort of the blackmail plot.

Agreed on Kate and Zoey. Neither feel like good suspects.

-Moira has the means of finding out Ashe's duplo status due to her status and potentially accessing medical files. She might have picked up an interest from the ill-fated dinner date and wants to fuck around with someone her daughter likes, or she might want to put Vanessa in her place by manhandling Ashe as a sort of 'hey, I can get to whomever I want, obey me' type of spiel. However she doesn't come across as someone who seems to stoop to that level and it feels like she'd view blackmailing as a waste of time for someone like Ashe when she could just sic bodyguards or hire people for shit.
Moira has the means, but I think circling back to the nature of the blackmail being almost a soft sexual bootcamp, it doesn't match her cutthroat potential. I'd expect something more definitive, rather than this cat playing with its food style of things. And pushing for her to sleep with Vanessa and the tone around it...I'd expect more snark or a patronising tone to have snuck in. It all seems too small fry for her, in my book. As you say, she has many more efficient ways of pushing Ashe out of her daughter's life, if that was the goal.

And I agree, I think all the clues pointing towards Delilah means there's more to the story than it just being Delilah (though if that had been revealed in Chapter 5, I would have been very happy). And the logical conclusion of it being someone we haven't seen yet is why Victoria jumped out at me as a candidate.

If it turns out to be Rachel, then yes, that's about as evil and conniving as a character can get. I can't see how it wouldn't destroy Ashe and blow up the family, especially with the incongruity of that kind of betrayal with the asks of the blackmail. That'd be so brutal, and I hope it's anyone else.
 

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If it turns out to be Rachel, then yes, that's about as evil and conniving as a character can get. I can't see how it wouldn't destroy Ashe and blow up the family, especially with the incongruity of that kind of betrayal with the asks of the blackmail. That'd be so brutal, and I hope it's anyone else.
I hadn't even considered Rachel myself, but the more I think about it the more it seems to be inline with her behaviour on non-siren routes. I kind of hope it is really her now. She does have access to the mansion and could reasonably know a lot of the goings-on.

It could well fall in line with the "I disappear for a year"-type of "solutions", she's thought up before. Being piss-poor at taking other people's feelings into consideration.
 
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