Natasha is almost completely avoidable if the player decides to avoid. There is no rape in the game.
Sure if you are into being completely submissive (or enjoy netorare) probably is hot, no idea because it way out of my own tastes but I will never judge, each one with their own. Guess I'm "vanilla" and "crazy" like that hehe if I have the choice to be dominant/switcher/submissive, I always choose the switcher, sometimes a bit more dominant and sometimes a bit more submissive.
In the case of this game only give me the choice of dominant (Siren, this path is where there is more to work with) or submissive (Kitten, won't enjoy it much because there is a char like Natasha and her extreme behavior) and as such I always will chose a dominant path (actually on my first playthrough only had that path open), in the kitten she is way too submissive for my taste and I don't see much to work with because it is Ashe natural trait, and in the CQ well simply is not for me.
On another note it doesn't bother me in the Siren path Fiona to be more dominant than Ashe, and at the current point of character development it makes more sense, maybe Ashe can be a switcher with Fiona in the future hahaha hope so.
Completely agree with this even though I won't mind a little of blackmail plot IF it doesn't extend too much thru the story and make it feel like a constant psychological "torture" and stressing, hope that sub plot end in the next update or max in 2 updates or else I'll simply quit this game, enough is enough. I'm sure the dev/author have creativity enough to start other more pleasant sub plots than blackmail.
For me since I prefer the Siren path, I wish I could deny the blackmail(er) and own what I (MC Ashe ofc) am, a Duplo and proud of it and careless about what others will think of it and face any of the consequences like a dominant trait would do. And then discover and confront the blackmailer (whoever it is, I won't even speculate about it, there is already too many theories) and make them "suffer" back
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I feel the same way as you in terms of switching but I do enjoy both sides of the coin. Natasha is absurdly hot and the fact that Kitten Ashe gets off on being dominated by her is, to me at least, extremely erotic. Horses for courses, you do you and all that. I don't get the hate for Natasha though, she is almost entirely avoidable if you want to, thus far. And given some of the other games on here, holy shit, she's mild.
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I for one have commonly seen people shove their dicks practically in other peoples faces in the gym’s locker rooms. Completely normal behaviour…
Things can be sexual harassment/assault without being full on rape. But sexual assault and harassment do fall squarely in the rapey vibes category.
And having to completely avoid a character to prevent rape (or attempted rape) still means it’s in the game.
Yeah, ok, there's groping and abuse of power as a police officer. Not saying that's OK in the real world, of course it is not. Not saying Natasha is a saint, she certainly isn't. But there's no rape, attempted or otherwise. The dynamic between Ashe and Natasha can be largely avoided unless the player chooses to explore it on Ashe's behalf. In this fictional world where there are no men and many woman are born with dicks, the player can choose for Ashe to fantasise about the groping and get off on being dominated. That may not be everyone's cup of tea but for some it is definitely very erotically charged. The player can also avoid those choices on Ashe's behalf. It's voluntary, not mandatory.
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Why did Ashe have to kick Natasha in the balls to leave in ep.5 when she said no? Seems like Natasha was kinda close to forcing herself on Ashe there and stopped chasing her cause her neighbor was in the hall.
You're right there's no rape but Natasha does get pretty close...
Well, maybe, but we just don't know what would have happened had the neighbour not been there. Had the dev intended for Natasha to be a rapist, she could easily have made that happen. The fact that she hasn't done that so far implies that it is not what she intends. There's clearly an unbalanced power dynamic. Part of the eroticism of the Kitten end of that dynamic comes from how overwhelming Natasha is for Ashe, both physically and in her attitude. But again, it's all avoidable if the player chooses to avoid it. Ashe can either submit to Natasha voluntarily or she can choose not to. If she chooses not to then so far there is no sign of any consequences (other than missing out on creaming her knickers
)As I said she's not a rapist just very very close to becoming one. And I really can't see a full rape scene (Ashe being forcefully penetrated against her will) fitting in the tone of the game, so yeah she'll never be a full rapist. Just a piece of shit who abuses her position of power to get really close to raping her victims.Well, maybe, but we just don't know what would have happened had the neighbour not been there. Had the dev intended for Natasha to be a rapist, she could easily have made that happen. The fact that she hasn't done that so far implies that it is not what she intends. There's clearly an unbalanced power dynamic. Part of the eroticism of the Kitten end of that dynamic comes from how overwhelming Natasha is for Ashe, both physically and in her attitude. But again, it's all avoidable if the player chooses to avoid it. Ashe can either submit to Natasha voluntarily or she can choose not to. If she chooses not to then so far there is no sign of any consequences (other than missing out on creaming her knickers
What I find annoying is that if you refuse her in the kitten route or if you are in the siren route you are put in the Natasha enemy route so unfortunately she'll still be in the game and she'll be hostile towards Ashe. I was really hoping this would be her last appearance in the game for those who don't want Ashe to be on her route.
No, I don't see such a scene as likely either, and I'd agree that it would be very out of place in the game and in any of the routes. I think it's fair to say that one wouldn't bring Natasha home to meet one's mother! Although, now I think about it, maybe Cuckquean Ashe should
.Is there an Natasha enemy path? I don't know anything about that but I can see why some might dislike having her pop up again. I guess though it fits into the anti-duplo discrimination background of the world and Ashe's difficult life. It might be strange for Natasha to simply disappear if Ashe turns her down, given Natasha's character.
EDIT: Just ran through the game again. Stopped Natasha during the patdown, ran away from her at the gym and kicked her in the face during the cleaning scene. Still got on to the Kitten route, but yeah, does seem likely that Ashe has made an enemy there.
I guess it's all dramatic tension in the end.
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IIRC, both refusing to work for Natasha (siren route) and running away from her in the kitten route sets her as an enemy.
Yeah, I can believe it. I don't mind that in terms of the game (particularly as my preferred route for Ashe involves a lot of Natasha's mommy-dick) as Natasha will make a good enemy but I get that if some dislike the character then they will want to see Natasha get punished or not even appear.
No, I don't see such a scene as likely either, and I'd agree that it would be very out of place in the game and in any of the routes. I think it's fair to say that one wouldn't bring Natasha home to meet one's mother! Although, now I think about it, maybe Cuckquean Ashe should
Is there an Natasha enemy path? I don't know anything about that but I can see why some might dislike having her pop up again. I guess though it fits into the anti-duplo discrimination background of the world and Ashe's difficult life. It might be strange for Natasha to simply disappear if Ashe turns her down, given Natasha's character.
EDIT: Just ran through the game again. Stopped Natasha during the patdown, ran away from her at the gym and kicked her in the face during the cleaning scene. Still got on to the Kitten route, but yeah, does seem likely that Ashe has made an enemy there.
I guess it's all dramatic tension in the end.
These are the natasha variables in the game. As you can see there are 3 possible routes with her: the sub, the cuck and the enemy route. The sub and cuck route are self explanatory, the enemy route you are put in the siren route automaticaly or in the kitten route if you kick her in the balls. The only good outcome from this is if you can send her to jail, then I'll tolerate having her in the siren route, as long as she learns that no means no.
OK, I see, thanks. Yeah, she'll be a good enemy and defeating her will be satisfying for the Sirens and some of the Kittens.
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It doesn't matter what the dev intended. Forcing yourself on someone who isn't consenting is rape/sexual assault (or attempted rape). She gets away by kicking her in the nuts. Natasha literally tries to chase Ashe down.Well, maybe, but we just don't know what would have happened had the neighbour not been there. Had the dev intended for Natasha to be a rapist, she could easily have made that happen. The fact that she hasn't done that so far implies that it is not what she intends. There's clearly an unbalanced power dynamic. Part of the eroticism of the Kitten end of that dynamic comes from how overwhelming Natasha is for Ashe, both physically and in her attitude. But again, it's all avoidable if the player chooses to avoid it. Ashe can either submit to Natasha voluntarily or she can choose not to. If she chooses not to then so far there is no sign of any consequences (other than missing out on creaming her knickers
It literally doesn't matter if you can choose not to interact with Natasha, preventing you from ever getting to the point where she tries to rape you.
If someone has a rape fetish, that still doesn't mean they literally want to be raped. I'm completely okay with people getting off on fantasising or role-playing that sort of scenario. If that's your fetish and someone wants to do that with you, great. Doesn't matter here.
Natasha tries to rape Ashe. There are no two ways about it.
Your arguments are on the level of "well if you didn't dress provocatively, you wouldn't have been raped" or in this case "well if you just run away you won't be raped".
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In the end, future will show which theory is right and how MorriganRae executes it.
I don't think Delilah works for either the plot being simple in regards to the blackmailing situation or if it's a more complex setup. If it were a simple setup, we'd probably already know even if Ashe didn't. If it's a complex setup, she's too obvious of a suspect. Thus I am of the opinion that she's a red herring when it comes to the blackmail bits.
Also honestly it's a waste of a character to make her the blackmailer. The freaky maybe yandere little sister of Fiona makes for a great contrast with their mom also being an option which makes Ashe's relationship with Fiona even more complex. Especially since Fiona had dated Rachel previously.
Also honestly it's a waste of a character to make her the blackmailer. The freaky maybe yandere little sister of Fiona makes for a great contrast with their mom also being an option which makes Ashe's relationship with Fiona even more complex. Especially since Fiona had dated Rachel previously.
the game is clearly tagged as blackmail, if you are so bothered by rape why are you here?
preach your moral values?
Ashe isn't raped at any point. That's simply a fact.
At no point does Natasha attempt to force her penis into Ashe. that's also a fact.
Does Natasha grope Ashe?
Yes, during the pat-down, especially if the player allows it to continue.
And yes, during the housecleaning scene, whereupon the player has the option to kick Natasha in the face and leave early or let it continue and kick Natasha in the balls later on.
Natasha's intentions after being kicked either in the face or in the balls are open to interpretation, as we simply do not know what she would have done.
None of this amounts to rape and pretending it does is silly. Is Natasha's behaviour good or legal? No, of course not. But this is a porn game we are talking about. The player is given the option to determine whether Ashe is turned on by Natasha and her dominance or whether she is not.
And in either case Ashe is not raped, nor does Natasha attempt to rape her.
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These two sentences are mutually exclusive. When we don't know what would have happened, you cannot conclusively say that there was no attempt either, as I don't think her reaction amounted to someone who would "just want to talk about it" so to speak.
You also need to consider her character to begin with, she's someone who clearly doesn't enjoy taking no for an answer and clearly has no qualms with using her position of authority as leverage to get what she wants, to say that she would never even attempt to rape someone is, again, not exactly something we can claim.
All we can say is that she hasn't raped Ashe yet.
Being kicked in the face or balls is apt to provoke a reaction. Having said that, I agree when you say she doesn't enjoy taking no for an answer and uses her position abusively. And I never said she would 'never' attempt something like that, merely that so far in the game, she hasn't.