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What? It's rather the siren route fans the more vocal, the ones who whined that Ashe wasn't dominant enough. Or the cuckquean route fans who complained it was just voyeur scenes or that the route doesn't make sense and change the characters.
I explicitly won't give my opinion on the cuck route because of that. Like I don't really understand cuckhold kink people enough to really give an opinion, but I would assume you wouldn't want to be cucked ALL the time. Yet it seems that what people want...or at least Morrigan so *shrug*. Same thing with the siren route people want to just be dominant 24/7 and the characters to just fall over. It makes sense like... getting a fap out of the way wise, but story wise its bad to me.
 

kinkyshin

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I have a somewhat crazy theory that would explain why Vanessa becomes enraged when discovering that Ashe is a duplo, and/or an answer to Ms. X's identity. Here it is:

Delilah installs malware on Ashe's phone, which gives her access to Ashe's pictures. (She learned about it from Fiona) (Perhaps this malware is what exposed SunnyXO):
-> In case it wasn't clear, Delilah can see Ashe's pictures, not her messages.
-> This is why every time Ashe runs into Delilah in public she's staring at her phone and immediately scrambles to hide it (especially when Ashe runs into her on the bus after she just took that underwear picture for Ms. X at the gym).
-> This is why she keeps sneaking off to check her phone at the party. Not because she's Ms. X, but because Ms. X is forcing Ashe to take pictures, and Delilah is seeing them all without context.

We know almost nothing about Moira's politics, and Morrigan makes a point of having Ashe say that she doesn't follow politics. (Many people have theorized that she is campaigning as pro-duplo, I agree with this theory):
-> Moira has been pressuring Vanessa to date a duplo as it would greatly benefit her campaign strategy.
-> This is why Vanessa has been pretending to have a girlfriend.
-> It's also why Vanessa freaks out when she learns Ashe is a duplo. If she had time to think about it, she would've realized Ashe has nothing to do with Moira.
-> Perhaps part of the reason why she refers to being the postergirl of the campaign as being a "slutty mascot". But keep in mind that dating a duplo clearly isn't a requirement for being the postergirl, because Vanessa was asked while she supposedly has a girlfriend and Ashe was asked as well.

After the incident with Jessica being drugged with Elysium, Moira uses her resources to investigate Ashe:
-> She has access to her medical files, and much to her delight/amazement, Ashe is a duplo. Problem is that the world doesn't know this... yet.
-> She has access to all of Ashe's text messages, but not her pictures (except for the ones that Ashe sends her).
-> Even if Ashe and Vanessa were to become a couple, the world would still need to know that Ashe is a duplo, or it doesn't help her, which is why she begins blackmailing Ashe as Ms. X.
-> Ms. X tells Ashe that she will eventually expose her. She wasn't lying. Things go sideways however when Ashe get's exposed at the party, somewhat foiling her plans.
-> Moira also just enjoys blackmailing Ashe and cucking her own daughter because she's a bit of a cunt.

There will be footage from Penny's stream of Brianna ripping down Ashe's pants, and of Vanessa screaming at her to get out because she's a duplo which goes viral:
-> What's worse is that there's evidence 'proving' that Brianna and Vanessa are friends, making it seem like they worked together to do this to Ashe.
-> What's also worse is that people will be out for blood with what happened to SunnyXO just days ago.
-> This is an absolute PR nightmare for Moira who has been campaigning on being pro-duplo.
-> Oriana works for Moira as her PR assistant, and will be desperate to come up with a solution to this nightmare of a problem.

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Urist McHorny

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I have a somewhat crazy theory that would explain why Vanessa becomes enraged when discovering that Ashe is a duplo, and/or an answer to Ms. X's identity. Here it is:

Delilah installs malware on Ashe's phone, which gives her access to Ashe's pictures. (She learned about it from Fiona) (Perhaps this malware is what exposed SunnyXO):
-> In case it wasn't clear, Delilah can see Ashe's pictures, not her messages.
-> This is why every time Ashe runs into Delilah in public she's staring at her phone and immediately scrambles to hide it (especially when Ashe runs into her on the bus after she just took that underwear picture for Ms. X at the gym).
-> This is why she keeps sneaking off to check her phone at the party. Not because she's Ms. X, but because Ms. X is forcing Ashe to take pictures, and Delilah is seeing them all without context.

We know almost nothing about Moira's politics, and Morrigan makes a point of having Ashe say that she doesn't follow politics. (Many people have theorized that she is campaigning as pro-duplo, I agree with this theory):
-> Moira has been pressuring Vanessa to date a duplo as it would greatly benefit her campaign strategy.
-> This is why Vanessa has been pretending to have a girlfriend.
-> It's also why Vanessa freaks out when she learns Ashe is a duplo. If she had time to think about it, she would've realized Ashe has nothing to do with Moira.
-> Perhaps part of the reason why she refers to being the postergirl of the campaign as being a "slutty mascot". But keep in mind that dating a duplo clearly isn't a requirement for being the postergirl, because Vanessa was asked while she supposedly has a girlfriend and Ashe was asked as well.

After the incident with Jessica being drugged with Elysium, Moira uses her resources to investigate Ashe:
-> She has access to her medical files, and much to her delight/amazement, Ashe is a duplo. Problem is that the world doesn't know this... yet.
-> She has access to all of Ashe's text messages, but not her pictures (except for the ones that Ashe sends her).
-> Even if Ashe and Vanessa were to become a couple, the world would still need to know that Ashe is a duplo, or it doesn't help her, which is why she begins blackmailing Ashe as Ms. X.
-> Ms. X tells Ashe that she will eventually expose her. She wasn't lying. Things go sideways however when Ashe get's exposed at the party, somewhat foiling her plans.
-> Moira also just enjoys blackmailing Ashe and cucking her own daughter because she's a bit of a cunt.

There will be footage from Penny's stream of Brianna ripping down Ashe's pants, and of Vanessa screaming at her to get out because she's a duplo which goes viral:
-> What's worse is that there's evidence 'proving' that Brianna and Vanessa are friends, making it seem like they worked together to do this to Ashe.
-> What's also worse is that people will be out for blood with what happened to SunnyXO just days ago.
-> This is an absolute PR nightmare for Moira who has been campaigning on being pro-duplo.
-> Oriana works for Moira as her PR assistant, and will be desperate to come up with a solution to this nightmare of a problem.

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I don't think your theory is stupid and it would be cool if you were correct
 

Lynava

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I have a somewhat crazy theory that would explain why Vanessa becomes enraged when discovering that Ashe is a duplo, and/or an answer to Ms. X's identity. Here it is:

Delilah installs malware on Ashe's phone, which gives her access to Ashe's pictures. (She learned about it from Fiona) (Perhaps this malware is what exposed SunnyXO):
-> In case it wasn't clear, Delilah can see Ashe's pictures, not her messages.
-> This is why every time Ashe runs into Delilah in public she's staring at her phone and immediately scrambles to hide it (especially when Ashe runs into her on the bus after she just took that underwear picture for Ms. X at the gym).
-> This is why she keeps sneaking off to check her phone at the party. Not because she's Ms. X, but because Ms. X is forcing Ashe to take pictures, and Delilah is seeing them all without context.

We know almost nothing about Moira's politics, and Morrigan makes a point of having Ashe say that she doesn't follow politics. (Many people have theorized that she is campaigning as pro-duplo, I agree with this theory):
-> Moira has been pressuring Vanessa to date a duplo as it would greatly benefit her campaign strategy.
-> This is why Vanessa has been pretending to have a girlfriend.
-> It's also why Vanessa freaks out when she learns Ashe is a duplo. If she had time to think about it, she would've realized Ashe has nothing to do with Moira.
-> Perhaps part of the reason why she refers to being the postergirl of the campaign as being a "slutty mascot". But keep in mind that dating a duplo clearly isn't a requirement for being the postergirl, because Vanessa was asked while she supposedly has a girlfriend and Ashe was asked as well.

After the incident with Jessica being drugged with Elysium, Moira uses her resources to investigate Ashe:
-> She has access to her medical files, and much to her delight/amazement, Ashe is a duplo. Problem is that the world doesn't know this... yet.
-> She has access to all of Ashe's text messages, but not her pictures (except for the ones that Ashe sends her).
-> Even if Ashe and Vanessa were to become a couple, the world would still need to know that Ashe is a duplo, or it doesn't help her, which is why she begins blackmailing Ashe as Ms. X.
-> Ms. X tells Ashe that she will eventually expose her. She wasn't lying. Things go sideways however when Ashe get's exposed at the party, somewhat foiling her plans.
-> Moira also just enjoys blackmailing Ashe and cucking her own daughter because she's a bit of a cunt.

There will be footage from Penny's stream of Brianna ripping down Ashe's pants, and of Vanessa screaming at her to get out because she's a duplo which goes viral:
-> What's worse is that there's evidence 'proving' that Brianna and Vanessa are friends, making it seem like they worked together to do this to Ashe.
-> What's also worse is that people will be out for blood with what happened to SunnyXO just days ago.
-> This is an absolute PR nightmare for Moira who has been campaigning on being pro-duplo.
-> Oriana works for Moira as her PR assistant, and will be desperate to come up with a solution to this nightmare of a problem.

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Not a bad theory, at least something interesting came out of this update.
 

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I have a somewhat crazy theory that would explain why Vanessa becomes enraged when discovering that Ashe is a duplo, and/or an answer to Ms. X's identity. Here it is:

Delilah installs malware on Ashe's phone, which gives her access to Ashe's pictures. (She learned about it from Fiona) (Perhaps this malware is what exposed SunnyXO):
-> In case it wasn't clear, Delilah can see Ashe's pictures, not her messages.
-> This is why every time Ashe runs into Delilah in public she's staring at her phone and immediately scrambles to hide it (especially when Ashe runs into her on the bus after she just took that underwear picture for Ms. X at the gym).
-> This is why she keeps sneaking off to check her phone at the party. Not because she's Ms. X, but because Ms. X is forcing Ashe to take pictures, and Delilah is seeing them all without context.

We know almost nothing about Moira's politics, and Morrigan makes a point of having Ashe say that she doesn't follow politics. (Many people have theorized that she is campaigning as pro-duplo, I agree with this theory):
-> Moira has been pressuring Vanessa to date a duplo as it would greatly benefit her campaign strategy.
-> This is why Vanessa has been pretending to have a girlfriend.
-> It's also why Vanessa freaks out when she learns Ashe is a duplo. If she had time to think about it, she would've realized Ashe has nothing to do with Moira.
-> Perhaps part of the reason why she refers to being the postergirl of the campaign as being a "slutty mascot". But keep in mind that dating a duplo clearly isn't a requirement for being the postergirl, because Vanessa was asked while she supposedly has a girlfriend and Ashe was asked as well.

After the incident with Jessica being drugged with Elysium, Moira uses her resources to investigate Ashe:
-> She has access to her medical files, and much to her delight/amazement, Ashe is a duplo. Problem is that the world doesn't know this... yet.
-> She has access to all of Ashe's text messages, but not her pictures (except for the ones that Ashe sends her).
-> Even if Ashe and Vanessa were to become a couple, the world would still need to know that Ashe is a duplo, or it doesn't help her, which is why she begins blackmailing Ashe as Ms. X.
-> Ms. X tells Ashe that she will eventually expose her. She wasn't lying. Things go sideways however when Ashe get's exposed at the party, somewhat foiling her plans.
-> Moira also just enjoys blackmailing Ashe and cucking her own daughter because she's a bit of a cunt.

There will be footage from Penny's stream of Brianna ripping down Ashe's pants, and of Vanessa screaming at her to get out because she's a duplo which goes viral:
-> What's worse is that there's evidence 'proving' that Brianna and Vanessa are friends, making it seem like they worked together to do this to Ashe.
-> What's also worse is that people will be out for blood with what happened to SunnyXO just days ago.
-> This is an absolute PR nightmare for Moira who has been campaigning on being pro-duplo.
-> Oriana works for Moira as her PR assistant, and will be desperate to come up with a solution to this nightmare of a problem.

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Certainly no crazier or shit than some of the rubbish I've read in here.
 

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I have a somewhat crazy theory that would explain why Vanessa becomes enraged when discovering that Ashe is a duplo, and/or an answer to Ms. X's identity. Here it is:

Delilah installs malware on Ashe's phone, which gives her access to Ashe's pictures. (She learned about it from Fiona) (Perhaps this malware is what exposed SunnyXO):
-> In case it wasn't clear, Delilah can see Ashe's pictures, not her messages.
-> This is why every time Ashe runs into Delilah in public she's staring at her phone and immediately scrambles to hide it (especially when Ashe runs into her on the bus after she just took that underwear picture for Ms. X at the gym).
-> This is why she keeps sneaking off to check her phone at the party. Not because she's Ms. X, but because Ms. X is forcing Ashe to take pictures, and Delilah is seeing them all without context.

We know almost nothing about Moira's politics, and Morrigan makes a point of having Ashe say that she doesn't follow politics. (Many people have theorized that she is campaigning as pro-duplo, I agree with this theory):
-> Moira has been pressuring Vanessa to date a duplo as it would greatly benefit her campaign strategy.
-> This is why Vanessa has been pretending to have a girlfriend.
-> It's also why Vanessa freaks out when she learns Ashe is a duplo. If she had time to think about it, she would've realized Ashe has nothing to do with Moira.
-> Perhaps part of the reason why she refers to being the postergirl of the campaign as being a "slutty mascot". But keep in mind that dating a duplo clearly isn't a requirement for being the postergirl, because Vanessa was asked while she supposedly has a girlfriend and Ashe was asked as well.

After the incident with Jessica being drugged with Elysium, Moira uses her resources to investigate Ashe:
-> She has access to her medical files, and much to her delight/amazement, Ashe is a duplo. Problem is that the world doesn't know this... yet.
-> She has access to all of Ashe's text messages, but not her pictures (except for the ones that Ashe sends her).
-> Even if Ashe and Vanessa were to become a couple, the world would still need to know that Ashe is a duplo, or it doesn't help her, which is why she begins blackmailing Ashe as Ms. X.
-> Ms. X tells Ashe that she will eventually expose her. She wasn't lying. Things go sideways however when Ashe get's exposed at the party, somewhat foiling her plans.
-> Moira also just enjoys blackmailing Ashe and cucking her own daughter because she's a bit of a cunt.

There will be footage from Penny's stream of Brianna ripping down Ashe's pants, and of Vanessa screaming at her to get out because she's a duplo which goes viral:
-> What's worse is that there's evidence 'proving' that Brianna and Vanessa are friends, making it seem like they worked together to do this to Ashe.
-> What's also worse is that people will be out for blood with what happened to SunnyXO just days ago.
-> This is an absolute PR nightmare for Moira who has been campaigning on being pro-duplo.
-> Oriana works for Moira as her PR assistant, and will be desperate to come up with a solution to this nightmare of a problem.

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But why would Moira blackmail Ashe, threaten her, and give her tasks if she wants to support the duplos and make Ashe and Vanessa a couple?
 

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But why would Moira blackmail Ashe, threaten her, and give her tasks if she wants to support the duplos and make Ashe and Vanessa a couple?
I assume the logic of the theory is to build Ashe's confidence up and make her more proud of her duplo identity to then use it for her political gain. And maybe to make Ashe a better gf for Vanessa
 

kinkyshin

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But why would Moira blackmail Ashe, bully her, and give her tasks if she wants to support the duplos and make Ashe and Vanessa a couple?
Because Ashe is currently only secretly a duplo.

If the world thinks her daughter is dating a mono futanari (which Ashe pretends to be) this does not benefit her campaign strategy.
If the world thinks her daughter is dating a duplo futanari, this does help her. Helps her even more if she acts like her daughter's lover was targeted and ousted like SunnyXO was.

But why would Moira blackmail Ashe, bully her, and give her tasks if she wants to support the duplos
Yea, I mean she's not intending to get caught as Ms. X lol
 
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Chillout1984

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I have a somewhat crazy theory that would explain why Vanessa becomes enraged when discovering that Ashe is a duplo, and/or an answer to Ms. X's identity. Here it is:

Delilah installs malware on Ashe's phone, which gives her access to Ashe's pictures. (She learned about it from Fiona) (Perhaps this malware is what exposed SunnyXO):
-> In case it wasn't clear, Delilah can see Ashe's pictures, not her messages.
-> This is why every time Ashe runs into Delilah in public she's staring at her phone and immediately scrambles to hide it (especially when Ashe runs into her on the bus after she just took that underwear picture for Ms. X at the gym).
-> This is why she keeps sneaking off to check her phone at the party. Not because she's Ms. X, but because Ms. X is forcing Ashe to take pictures, and Delilah is seeing them all without context.

We know almost nothing about Moira's politics, and Morrigan makes a point of having Ashe say that she doesn't follow politics. (Many people have theorized that she is campaigning as pro-duplo, I agree with this theory):
-> Moira has been pressuring Vanessa to date a duplo as it would greatly benefit her campaign strategy.
-> This is why Vanessa has been pretending to have a girlfriend.
-> It's also why Vanessa freaks out when she learns Ashe is a duplo. If she had time to think about it, she would've realized Ashe has nothing to do with Moira.
-> Perhaps part of the reason why she refers to being the postergirl of the campaign as being a "slutty mascot". But keep in mind that dating a duplo clearly isn't a requirement for being the postergirl, because Vanessa was asked while she supposedly has a girlfriend and Ashe was asked as well.

After the incident with Jessica being drugged with Elysium, Moira uses her resources to investigate Ashe:
-> She has access to her medical files, and much to her delight/amazement, Ashe is a duplo. Problem is that the world doesn't know this... yet.
-> She has access to all of Ashe's text messages, but not her pictures (except for the ones that Ashe sends her).
-> Even if Ashe and Vanessa were to become a couple, the world would still need to know that Ashe is a duplo, or it doesn't help her, which is why she begins blackmailing Ashe as Ms. X.
-> Ms. X tells Ashe that she will eventually expose her. She wasn't lying. Things go sideways however when Ashe get's exposed at the party, somewhat foiling her plans.
-> Moira also just enjoys blackmailing Ashe and cucking her own daughter because she's a bit of a cunt.

There will be footage from Penny's stream of Brianna ripping down Ashe's pants, and of Vanessa screaming at her to get out because she's a duplo which goes viral:
-> What's worse is that there's evidence 'proving' that Brianna and Vanessa are friends, making it seem like they worked together to do this to Ashe.
-> What's also worse is that people will be out for blood with what happened to SunnyXO just days ago.
-> This is an absolute PR nightmare for Moira who has been campaigning on being pro-duplo.
-> Oriana works for Moira as her PR assistant, and will be desperate to come up with a solution to this nightmare of a problem.

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Sounds interesting. The only thing I'm curious about is why she would target Vanessa specifically for the Valkyrie's Blessing if you're on the cuck route... Maybe as payback for what happened during the dinner?
 

kinkyshin

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Sounds interesting. The only thing I'm curious about is why she would target Vanessa specifically for the Valkyrie's Blessing if you're on the cuck route... Maybe as payback for what happened during the dinner?
Good point. I explained it with this line here:
-> Moira also just enjoys blackmailing Ashe and cucking her own daughter because she's a bit of a cunt.
 

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Because Ashe is currently only secretly a duplo.

If the world thinks her daughter is dating a mono futanari (which Ashe pretends to be) this does not benefit her campaign strategy.
If the world thinks her daughter is dating a duplo futanari, this does help her. Helps her even more if she acts like her daughter's lover was targeted and ousted like SunnyXO was.
It's still unclear why Moira is blackmailing her. She could have just talked to Ashe and offered her support, including money. That would have been much simpler, more effective, and more reliable. People like Moira are using money and buying everyone off, not blackmailing and assigning tasks with sexual connotations, which makes no sense for the goals you attribute to Moira. Moreover, it's odd for a defender of duplos to use phrases like "duplo slut."
I also think Moira is a very likely candidate for the blackmailer, because she wields a lot of power, but her goals are clearly different, and she should be much more hostile to duplos and Ashe.
 

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It's still unclear why Moira is blackmailing her. She could have just talked to Ashe and offered her support, including money. That would have been much simpler, more effective, and more reliable. People like Moira are using money and buying everyone off, not blackmailing and assigning tasks with sexual connotations, which makes no sense for the goals you attribute to Moira. Moreover, it's odd for a defender of duplos to use phrases like "duplo slut."
I also think Moira is a very likely candidate for the blackmailer, because she wields a lot of power, but her goals are clearly different, and she should be much more hostile to duplos and Ashe.
It's just a theory, brother. It could be wrong. (y)

It's still unclear why Moira is blackmailing her. She could have just talked to Ashe and offered her support, including money.
Okay, so she supports Ashe. And if Ashe still says no? The blackmail feels more like a guarantee, especially considering at the date Ashe took Vanessa's side over hers on everything. Also, as I already mentioned, having her get socially ousted like SunnyXO is possibly more ideal than have a strong, confident duplo that comes out of the closet so-to-speak. And, even if Ashe were to tell everyone that she is a duplo (which she is) maybe public thinks it's a lie? If her photos are leaked, there's no denying it. (Which is why Ms. X was requesting her to take pictures of her plugged rear, etc)

And, perhaps Moira wants a nice juicy bite of Ashe herself. Vanessa told Ashe that her mother never cared about any of her girlfriends (who were tall/successful/athetlic/etc) but she took a surprising interest in Ashe, don't you think?

Err... lastly, she already did offer Ashe money to be her mascot. And she said no.

Moreover, it's odd for a defender of duplos to use phrases like "duplo slut."
You seem to be stuck on this.

There's a certain dictator around that campaigned on tightening defense. Just before the election, he placed several bombs.
Crazy that a guy that campaigned so hard on tightening defense would secretly bomb his own people, huh?
 

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There's a certain dictator around that campaigned on tightening defense. Just before the election, he placed several bombs.
Crazy that a guy that campaigned so hard on tightening defense would secretly bomb his own people, huh?
It's quite a common tactic by politicians that play dirty, and Moira really felt to me like she loves to play dirty as well.
 
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Her anger is imo near certain because of the general villainization of duplos in this game's universe (or at least the country) and probably also because of her own bad experiences.

I've read that usual cycle is indeed about 6 months, but now it took about 12 because of personal issues.
I just assumed it was related to her mother/father being a duplo since her reaction was clearly extremely emotional far beyond just general prejudice and it seems her parents are the main source of turmoil within her.
 
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