VN Ren'Py Abandoned Estate : Dominate [v0.36.1] [Henissart]

[Etheric]

I've been following this game from a distance after dropping my Patreon support months ago, but how is there still no update? So many times and so many months in which he said he was "nearly done"...
Instead of a porn game, this has turned into a game of stringing people along.

It's honestly sad to see this game has turned into yet another wallpaper engine. Patreon just doesn't seem to be the right way of financing games like these.

Never was. Many games here follow the same pattern.
Start with quick and great updates but after the 6º or 7º update they say that they are having personal issues and start delaying constants to the point of having year long waits.

 

[smokincandi69]

Never was. Many games here follow the same pattern.
Start with quick and great updates but after the 6º or 7º update they say that they are having personal issues and start delaying constants to the point of having year long waits.

you do know they might actually have personal issues right

 

[noway1]

you do know they might actually have personal issues right

Somehow I actually believe that people creating porn games might have an above average tendency to suffer from personal issues.

Nevertheless, probably totally normal that many creators lose their motivation over time. It starts with enthusiasm and probably in a moment of enough free time, but after a while things become boring, repetitive, and feel more and more like work. It is like when you play a computer game. Most likely after some time you stop playing it and you do something else.

Of course people who love the creation, like to have more and more and for free. And when the content does not come, they are angry, because "That guy gets like 1000$ per month and nothing is coming". They believe that the amount of money the authors get, should bind them to deliver content. But this is just not how it works. Most of the time, the angry people are no patreons themself. The money comes from people who thing different about their pledges as they should according to the angry people.

Also I see quite often authors engaging heavily with the community, even here at f95, but over the time they leave, pull back and reduce their communication to their own filter bubble in their discord or patreon chats. More often followed by even being less present there. Of course there are many many other examples, but it is some stronger trend among those authors that for some reasons lose interest and time for their project. I believe that behavior is pushed also by the angry people here, who demand things.

So: Porn game authors are often people with personal issues and hence predisposed to stronger suffer from a spiral down due to their fan base expectation not being matched. Nevertheless, there exist some ultra dumbass fucktards authors that rub their dick on the money piles from even more stupid fan boys. Furthermore, a simple minded group of selfish permanent angry assholes without empathy for the actual challenge of writing a game are losing their mind over the situation and are raging blindly against everything in this forum. And those shit discussions pop up again and again all over the forum, since nobody actually knows what is going on with the authors and hence, it is believe against believe, like century old religions fighting over meaningless stuff.

 

[Derrida]

I'm as eager as anyone for the next release of this game. I've supported it in the past and I will do so again when the next chapter releases. I get the desire to want it immediately, I do. What I don't understand is why people who contribute nothing to a game's development think they are owed an explanation or really anything. If you want to have a say, contribute. Otherwise, expect nothing and certainly don't go around berating the author while you wait for your pirated handout. Which is the boat I'm in with many other games, btw, which I will play but don't like enough to support. But I don't whinge on those forums about how long the game is taking to make. Food for thought.

 

[dedi33]

The milfy maid's legs

I hope not, IMO they are too skinny to be Anja's legs, looks like more Isabella's

 

[smokincandi69]

I hope not, IMO they are too skinny to be Anja's legs, looks like more Isabella's

I was thinking it was the mothers

 

[Kukipett]

Depends.
Sometimes people hate to switch roles.
Isabella seems secretly open to switch and become "sub" sometimes, but that's only her so far.
Some people take pleasure in being doms ONLY.
Some people take pleasure in being subs ONLY (and yes, that also includes men).

If you try to force one or the other (with the excuse of forcingly "switching table" or whatever), that would be Rape. Rape is not the point of this game (or I would not play this game). The magic of this game is that nothing is forced. The goal is for the characters to discover more and more things about themselves and to push their own limits.

Saying that nothing is forced in this game is wrong, everything is forced, the MC and his sister have no choice but obey. They are trapped in this manor with this femdom family.
They accepted it as a summer job and they ended up as prisoners, guarded by armed security men, spyed all day and night by security cams and tortured at masters will.
They can't just say no and go away, in fact they can go away, just as the former gardener, horizontaly with foot firts in a box!!

 

[Kukipett]

I was thinking it was the mothers

It's Isabella we can recognize her by the form of her pointy nails

 

[Etheric]

you do know they might actually have personal issues right

Obvious that many Devs have personal issues, the question is how they act.
People support on patreon expecting updates and improvements so if the Dev for some reason stop or slowdown working on the project is expect to them communiate this and not saying "hey guys the update is almost ready" for months.

For a Dev that used to release updates in a spam of 2-3 month to have only release 1 update since march of 2020 I see that he lost interest. I used to support the game and always giving shoutout for this game every time I could but now I prefer investing in other projects.

Edit: Forgot to mention that the Dev said to have issues related to job in the last year before last update explaining the delay and supposed he found another job so this update delay doesn't really have a clear explanation.

 

[Etheric]

I'm as eager as anyone for the next release of this game. I've supported it in the past and I will do so again when the next chapter releases. I get the desire to want it immediately, I do. What I don't understand is why people who contribute nothing to a game's development think they are owed an explanation or really anything. If you want to have a say, contribute. Otherwise, expect nothing and certainly don't go around berating the author while you wait for your pirated handout. Which is the boat I'm in with many other games, btw, which I will play but don't like enough to support. But I don't whinge on those forums about how long the game is taking to make. Food for thought.

As far I know, this forum is the biggest forum specifically for these types of game where people can talk, review, suggest and specially create popularity for new supporters, a lot of Devs know this very well and because of this many of them are present in this forum. So, saying that this is just an pirate site that "steal" games is very poor argument and as far I know no one is demand explanation but criticizing how the Dev turning the game in a Wallpaper machine. Like you, everyone here in this thread want this game to be updated, if you are fine of how the Dev are dealing and working on the game, good for you, but a lot of people are frustrated by these delays since febuary, so I think that everyone has right to express their feeling about i.

Edit.

 

[Derrida]

As far I know, this forum is the biggest forum specifically for these types of game where people can talk, review, suggest and specially create popularity for news supporters, a lot of Devs know this very well and because of this many of them are present in this forum. So, saying that this is just an pirate site that "steal" games is very poor argument and as far I know no one is demand explanation but criticizing how the Dev turning the game in a Wallpaper instead of a game. If you are fine of how the dev deal with the game good for you but I don't think you should tell other how they should feel.

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you made this site, I thought you were just a user. The site absolutely has value for marketing purposes, discovery, inspiration, maybe even, very occasionally, useful feedback. The users, the ones that claim a game to which they are contributing nothing is a "wallpaper game" can say, of course, say whatever they want. But I'm also free to find their complaints absurd/laughable given how they have no skin in the game. My opinion on how this dev handles development are currently irrelevant -- that's the point. I'm not supporting him, he doesn't owe me anything. So, so many, in so many threads, seemed to be confused about this point.

 

[Etheric]

I'm sorry, I didn't realize you made this site, I thought you were just a user. The site absolutely has value for marketing purposes, discovery, inspiration, maybe even, very occasionally, useful feedback. The users, the ones that claim a game to which they are contributing nothing is a "wallpaper game" can say, of course, say whatever they want. But I'm also free to find their complaints absurd/laughable given how they have no skin in the game. My opinion on how this dev handles development are currently irrelevant -- that's the point. I'm not supporting him, he doesn't owe me anything. So, so many, in so many threads, seemed to be confused about this point.

Like you said, the Dev problably doesn't care about my opnion and problably doesn't care much about any of this site since last year. As common sense, anyone can criticize anything , that what we call "opinion", what we don't have is the right to demand since the Dev own me nothing and no one is demand nothing, if you think that is "laughable" that people have negative opinion and doesn't support the dev attitude, in my opinion your afirmation is pathetic.

Edit:If you think that is laughable you should visit the Milf City Thread, those people think they have right to criticize the dev for delaying a update for 2 years and they doesn't even support the game. You probably will die laughing there.

 

[Anon595]

Depends.
Sometimes people hate to switch roles.
Isabella seems secretly open to switch and become "sub" sometimes, but that's only her so far.
Some people take pleasure in being doms ONLY.
Some people take pleasure in being subs ONLY (and yes, that also includes men).

If you try to force one or the other (with the excuse of forcingly "switching table" or whatever), that would be Rape. Rape is not the point of this game (or I would not play this game). The magic of this game is that nothing is forced. The goal is for the characters to discover more and more things about themselves and to push their own limits.

An interesting observation but I must disagree this game is heavily focused on rape and sexual abuse, play this scenario in the real world and it would be sexual abuse however the game is played. These people are monsters, if you believe it's anything else then I worry about your morality (I like how you pointed out that men enjoy the sub role too).

 

[Walnutt]

People support on patreon expecting updates and improvements so if the Dev for some reason stop or slowdown working on the project is expect to them communiate this and not saying "hey guys the update is almost ready" for months.

And at that point it's up to the person paying to either stop the payment or accept the wait.

 

[apex31]

you little perv.. like to be punished?

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Or maybe I am just trying to please you

 

[zh]

Saying that nothing is forced in this game is wrong, everything is forced, the MC and his sister have no choice but obey. They are trapped in this manor with this femdom family.
They accepted it as a summer job and they ended up as prisoners, guarded by armed security men, spyed all day and night by security cams and tortured at masters will.
They can't just say no and go away, in fact they can go away, just as the former gardener, horizontaly with foot firts in a box!!
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An interesting observation but I must disagree this game is heavily focused on rape and sexual abuse, play this scenario in the real world and it would be sexual abuse however the game is played. These people are monsters, if you believe it's anything else then I worry about your morality (I like how you pointed out that men enjoy the sub role too).

well, don't forget that both MC and Heather are free to leave at any time.
In real life, BDSM games always have a safe word.
Leaving the Estate is equivalent to the "safe word" guys So there are a lot of fucked up things, but nothing is actually forced I think, they are not prisoners... unless I missed something (english is not my first language so)

 

[Kukipett]

well, don't forget that both MC and Heather are free to leave at any time.
In real life, BDSM games always have a safe word.
Leaving the Estate is equivalent to the "safe word" guys So there are a lot of fucked up things, but nothing is actually forced I think, they are not prisoners... unless I missed something (english is not my first language so)

Free to leave really !!!! Did you see any dialogue or an option to be able to leave, all your stuff is locked in a safe, phone and such.
You have no way to access to the outside world and there is no option to go ask the Mistress to leave.
I guess that you are dreaming my friend, you just do not want to aknowledge that you are trapped because you are to afraid to admit it !
That one principle of controlling people, let them dream they can leave, even if the can't, so you can control them better.

 

[Among Us]

Will this game ever get an update?

 

[DanThaMan]

No, just wallpapers releases every month just like Come Inside game)))

The dev even creates polls for wallpapers.. you would think they are the same person

 

[quorkboy]

well, don't forget that both MC and Heather are free to leave at any time.
In real life, BDSM games always have a safe word.
Leaving the Estate is equivalent to the "safe word" guys So there are a lot of fucked up things, but nothing is actually forced I think, they are not prisoners... unless I missed something (english is not my first language so)

They were coerced. Found themselves in a very difficult financial situation and agreed to something they didn't understand. On arrival at the estate and finding out what was really required, they probably could have left. But when you're in that level of financial difficulty, the choice isn't so easy. Particularly when you're heavily in debt to the people with whom you've made the agreement.

There have also been, at least in my memory, subtle hints that they're not really free to leave.

It's true that in the real world (at least in the US and most if not all developed countries) they could have declared themselves bankrupt, and none of this would be happening. But within the context of the story, they're most definitely not there of their own free will.

I play my MC as someone who has become willing, because he's discovered a sadistic streak and is willing to be sub (even though he does not enjoy it) for the chance to dominate Heather, and the enticing possibility that he will also soon be able to dominate Isabella. He's under no illusions about the other two. The chance of being able to dominate either Elisabeth or their mother seems slim. But Elisabeth's games, when they're not targeted on him, are fun.

Of course there are those playing this purely for the sub experience because they enjoy that. And I have little doubt the game is delivering for them.

This doesn't change that they were forced into this position. And so far I don't see how anyone can claim Heather is either willing or enjoying what's being done to her.

It may never be a game with a pure "turn the tables" path (and nor does it need to be. That is far from the only reason for this type of game to exist.) I hope that will be an option (because as sweet as dominating Isabella will be, there's a different type of pleasure to be had dominating Elisabeth and Mrs. Von Stern.)