VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.7.5 Public] [Caribdis]

[Monstrous Moonshine]

OIAL was pretty backloaded though...

Just like the girls!

 

[Monstrous Moonshine]

Is it me or is Mr. Hernandez really intent on setting you up with his daugther?

 

[ArDZer]

Is it me or is Mr. Hernandez really intent on setting you up with his daugther?

He might be onto it. He's also noticed how Luna's been smiling more often (also teasing her whenever the opportunity arises). Not to mention he's also stated what he'll do if the protagonist dares to break his beloved daughter's heart.

Spoiler: In case the protagonist has forgotten

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[Dylan741]

Dang, I just replayed the lunch scene and now I want to see Desperado once again, Caribdis is a genius!!!

 

[deapfoo]

I just "finished" the game, cant wait for next update... God damn what ive been missing..

 

[ArDZer]

Dang, I just replayed the lunch scene and now I want to see Desperado once again, Caribdis is a genius!!!

If you mean the lunch at the mountain, then I can't get that song from out of my head.

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What would've happened if the tacos had Pepper X instead? It's said those are 2 times even hotter than the Carolina Reaper. Pretty sure his head (and the rest of his body) would've been like this

 

[Dylan741]

If you mean the lunch at the mountain, then I can't get that song from out of my head.

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What would've happened if the tacos had Pepper X instead? It's said those are 2 times even hotter than the Carolina Reaper. Pretty sure his head (and the rest of his body) would've been like this
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Yes I meant the lunch at Luna's Grandma and 'Pa and I agree with you, I'm sure Orion seen something similar if not worse, those tacos are a myth already!!

 

[talion777]

It's the "porn discount" in action. People won't play a decent VN or an RPGM game just because it's decent. It must have something to offer, something that sets it above the competition. But if it's a porn game, people will play everything that is below average or better.

Of course, Eternum is way above average for a porn game. It actually has a plot and memorable characters. Production quality-wise it's better than most non-porn VNs out there.

Very true. You have to manage your expectations and bear in mind that it IS a porn game, and as such most other shortcomings will be dealt with tolerantly and even affectionately if there are enough high quality lewd scenes. You're also right in that Eternum is definitely above average within the AVN genre. Still, it's not an original storyline even though the story has largely been well executed so far, and it's too easy to fall in the trap of quality dilution for the sake of easy gratification. The genre is relatively new as well, and the age of quality models is even newer. It behooves us who are going to be using the product to set up our expectations and ask that devs continue to improve the genre by demanding higher minimum standards and voting with our feet/wallets if they aren't being delivered. Of course, it's also necessary to distinguish between the true AVNs, which I don't really view as a "game" and the hybrids that have both story and gaming elements. Priorities will be different depending on which we're discussing. Everyone is demanding better porn, animations, voice acting etc, and they're getting it. Why shouldn't there also be better writing and game features?

 

[talion777]

In this site where people are ready to crucify devs if they release a game with little to no fap material (the exception being if the renders are above average and/or the dev has a decent track record), then sure.

If you're a game-first/story-centric porn game dev though, you might have more luck in places like Steam where they value the game part of the porn game more (i.e. the case of Subverse's Early Access release where it got 2/5 star average rating in this site and a "Very Positive" rating on Steam, with most reviews on the latter citing that the space combat was fun but found the ground combat and sex scenes "eh").



If by formulaic you mean writers who know when to use tropes they've used before to full effect, then yes.

But I get why King and Christie got formulaic though: they're prolific as fuck (I mean, have you seen how many books they've published? Kee-rist). It's like it doesn't matter to them that what they're writing is reminiscent to what came before. What matters is the love for the process, that desire to just write and get something out of the door, originality and artistic aspirations be damned.

(I wish they could pass some of that must-publish-no-matter-the-quality energy to GRRM though. Like, c'mon George, it's been years. No amount of rewriting is going to wash away the pain inflicted by the show's damnable last season but I'm still invested in knowing if Tyrion will ever find his ex-wife or not. Just...just release Winds you're not getting any younger please don't follow in Robert Jordan's footsteps ffs-)

/clears throat

Anyway, I'm getting off track. At the end of the day, I suppose it's up to Caribdis if he wants to escalate or scale back a bit in the next game (at least I'm hoping there will be a next game). All I'm hoping is that he doesn't just rest on his laurels like some devs often do when they become popular enough, and instead try to continue to do better in terms of quality and not just quantity (I mean he's already better than most devs IMO and I have not much complaints in his storytelling...but there's always room for improvement). And if doing that means that he has to scale back or scale up, then I'm all for it I suppose.

Amen to the GRRM thing. He truly comes across as a self centered, self important man at times too. He repeatedly breaks promises and then tells everyone to fuck off if they don't like it. He goes off and does whatever project tickles his fancy without giving a thought to ASOIF and is addicted to fan conferences. He's having a grand time. It's been 10-11 since the last book and most authors could have written the entire series in that time. Of course we forgive him because the books are brilliant, but he still pisses us off. lol. I haven't forgiven David Gerrold either. He's even WORSE than GRRM, unbelievable as that is.

 

[teamur]

Hola Caribdis, amazing game!

Regarding the update 0.5:

1. The new "Eternum login animation" is fancier but less dynamic, so I might prefer the old one. If you want to improve the new one, maybe make it faster or spinning more or swinging? (PS. Or just overlay the old one semi-transparent on the new one?..)

2. I think "masseuse" is feminine, at least when singular, and the male person giving massages would be "masseur".

Thank you so much and Good Luck of Destiny to you creating the nexy update!

 

[Monstrous Moonshine]

Weird, my gallery has reset, and my sound settings reset, should I be concerned that it might have also reset my 'pregnancy content settings' (even though those are not yet relevant, I'm just concerned about future content)?

 

[Lordcasquenoir]

Still, it's not an original storyline

Being original is never a quality when it comes to tell a story, it is how you tell it that is important. You can have the most original plot ever, if you can't deliver it in a way that appeal to your audience it still will be crap.

And Caribdis is very good at using tropes and clichés. For example, all the part in the last update with Luna is cliché over cliché, but as he is playing with our expectations you never know if he will fully dive into the cliché or use it as a diversion, which make all the experience fun because you never know how the cliché will be treated.

 

[Lordcasquenoir]

Hola Caribdis, amazing game!
2. I think "masseuse" is feminine, at least when singular, and the male person giving massages would be "masseur".

You are correct, masseur and masseuse are French words, and masseuse is indeed the feminine of masseur. But I'm pretty sure the gender confusion is intended to play with the idea that some massage parlors are just prostitution in disguise (and as we know most of the time prostitutes are females).

 

[talion777]

Being original is never a quality when it comes to tell a story, it is how you tell it that is important. You can have the most original plot ever, if you can't deliver it in a way that appeal to your audience it still will be crap.

And Caribdis is very good at using tropes and clichés. For example, all the part in the last update with Luna is cliché over cliché, but as he is playing with our expectations you never know if he will fully dive into the cliché or use it as a diversion, which make all the experience fun because you never know how the cliché will be treated.

I'm not really sure why you'd cut off the 2nd half of my sentence in your quote, where I say it has largely been well-executed, and then proceed to tell me that it's not about the story it's all about the execution. Also, to be fair, pretty much every porn game out there is absolutely riddled with cliches. Having cliches is almost a cliche in itself.

 

[Cherubin25]

I'm not really sure why you'd cut off the 2nd half of my sentence in your quote, where I say it has largely been well-executed, and then proceed to tell me that it's not about the story it's all about the execution. Also, to be fair, pretty much every porn game out there is absolutely riddled with cliches. Having cliches is almost a cliche in itself.

Man, you really are on a mission, huh?

 

[Monstrous Moonshine]

I'm not really sure why you'd cut off the 2nd half of my sentence in your quote, where I say it has largely been well-executed, and then proceed to tell me that it's not about the story it's all about the execution. Also, to be fair, pretty much every porn game out there is absolutely riddled with cliches. Having cliches is almost a cliche in itself.

This has better writing, higher production values, and more immersive scoring than almost any other game or VN on this website (aside from maybe "Being a DIK"). I really don't understand this 'crusade' of yours, and certainly not in this instance. Why not find something truly subpar to rag on? There's plenty of that on this website.

 

[Lordcasquenoir]

I'm not really sure why you'd cut off the 2nd half of my sentence in your quote, where I say it has largely been well-executed, and then proceed to tell me that it's not about the story it's all about the execution. Also, to be fair, pretty much every porn game out there is absolutely riddled with cliches. Having cliches is almost a cliche in itself.

Because it seemed to me that your main point was that it is not original. Maybe I was wrong and so forgive me for misunderstanding what you said.

And for the clichés, there is being cliché and knowing how to use cliché to entertain your audience. Caribdis falls in the second category.

 

[talion777]

This has better writing, higher production values, and more immersive scoring than almost any other game or VN on this website (aside from maybe "Being a DIK"). I really don't understand this 'crusade' of yours, and certainly not in this instance. Why not find something truly subpar to rag on? There's plenty of that on this website.

What crusade? Are you such a snowflake that no aspect of the VN is subject to criticism? Go back and read what I wrote in my previous comments. I loved the first 4 chapters. This is an above average VN. For whatever faults it has the story has been well executed. I have been enjoying it and will continue to play it. The art and animations are great. Does that sound like "ragging" to you? I "ragged" on a single aspect of it (and still will, if you ask), and then got a complete explanation, breakdown and solution for a problem I never presented about a point I never made. You've got a problem with my 85% positive outlook of the game as being too negative? Tough shit.

 

[talion777]

Because it seemed to me that your main point was that it is not original. Maybe I was wrong and so forgive me for misunderstanding what you said.

And for the clichés, there is being cliché and knowing how to use cliché to entertain your audience. Caribdis falls in the second category.

No problem, and you're absolutely correct.

 

[Exterant]

I just "finished" the game, cant wait for next update... God damn what ive been missing..

Same, put the game off for a while since I was playing other ones but I'm glad I've been able to play it now.