VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.7.5 Public] [Caribdis]

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SerHawkes

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MAGO-DAG said:
I just wrote the true logic, everyone is so confident in Orion’s reincarnation, but they forget that he will also have to grow up, and while he’s running around in diapers, will Eternum survive? :coffee: :HideThePain:
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Clearly, the cheat code will be Caly, who will probably sense the new Orion, and power level the kid to level 9000. It was all foretold.
 
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Klezyr said:
I'm new to this post, but I saw that you're a genius with theories, I'd like to discuss with you what I have in mind, are you up for it?

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I'll have to preface this by saying that I'm not a genius, I'm just a slightly unhinged theorycrafter who's dug a little too deep in trying to piece together the lore of this game.
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(PS. To anyone wondering: yes I wrote this on the phone. Yes, my thumbs fucking hurt. Brb, going to dunk them on ice to numb the pain. :HideThePain: )
 
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SerHawkes

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MAGO-DAG said:
May be. But what about milfs such as Orion's mother (Alex), aunts Penny and Dalia, as well as adult babysitter Annie and grandmother Nancy? :HideThePain:
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Naturally they all hook up and marry each other. Penny with Lunes. Nova and Annie. Alex and Dalia. And Nancy totally looks after them all.
 
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yinAzura said:
The problem right now is that there is a confirmed scene that will happen very soon (if not 0.8, then wouldn't be pass 0.9) and that is the Ski Trip and Dalia's Birthday. Which in my opinion, those should be held in the real world rather than in Eternum, which means the NPC Orion is most unlikely (it also scraps my vegetable Orion theory completely too). And factoring in mind that he is still in student exchange program timer (thanks to Dorfnutter), Orion has to somehow continue the Pirate server and gathering Gems as normal if Caribdis wants to have the entire story held within the exchange timeframe.

So, with the ending of 0.7, I'm fairly confident that the only way to progress forward in 0.8 is Orion still retains his body in real world in some way shape or form, and must be supernatural because there's no way he can recover normally within that timeframe, according to this lovely guy's explanation.

Now the only open ended question will be; Will Orion get anything from this incident?

This is where most people think he will be stuck in the Limbo for some time before his body is fully recovered, or somehow he got help externally like having Calypso port his body into Eternum and heals him that way (the second option in pure Deux Ex Machina imo). As much as the 0.7 ending is super great, it poses a big problem to fix, and potentially a big plothole to patch.

But reading your 8th assumption, I wouldn't pass that possibility. I'm not saying that "Orion is the SCP guy" is an optimal option, but doable nonetheless.
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MC can still become an NPC and leave Eternum, he just can't lose his memory and not be able to see the system like other NPCs, because he is "special", has the help of Calypso and other tools besides the girls , it's not that unrealistic that this could happen, it would still be a way for him to discover the truth about death's interaction with Eternum...

Your theory of him staying in vegetative mode is also not unrealistic, he could stay in a "coma" for some time, even if it's just hours, since he would probably be taken to limbo and there "time" does not exist, he could face anything there for years and also get answers from Idriel before returning to reality without time passing...

This is the exact problem that I mentioned earlier, these small flaws in the story that have not been explained from the beginning until now are what allow all of this to be viable and possible.
However, I started thinking again about my theory n.8 and it increasingly makes more sense and would also be even more interesting and complex to have in the story, it literally fills in all the gaps and would delve deeper into the mysteries of Astral energy even before the interference of "Founder".
 
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SerHawkes said:
Either reincarnated as one of our possible child (Alex, Nova, Penny) or (Geralt From Rivia) if your no engaged in pro-creation your fucked and reincarnated as Maximo's kid.

Or the most amount of pussy either from the hospital or Eternum pussy via Caly save.
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I'm still not having enough with any of those girls at their teens, not to mention Annie, Luna, and Calypso. So no, I'll pass.

 
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Dorfnutter said:
I'll have to preface this by saying that I'm not a genius, I'm just a slightly unhinged theorycrafter who's dug a little too deep in trying to piece together the lore of this game.
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(PS. To anyone wondering: yes I wrote this on the phone. Yes, my thumbs fucking hurt. Brb, going to dunk them on ice to numb the pain. :HideThePain: )
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I really thank you for your opinion on this, several good points that despite maybe not being able to be implemented are still cool to imagine...
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Klezyr said:
MC can still become an NPC and leave Eternum, he just can't lose his memory and not be able to see the system like other NPCs, because he is "special", has the help of Calypso and other tools besides the girls , it's not that unrealistic that this could happen, it would still be a way for him to discover the truth about death's interaction with Eternum...

Your theory of him staying in vegetative mode is also not unrealistic, he could stay in a "coma" for some time, even if it's just hours, since he would probably be taken to limbo and there "time" does not exist, he could face anything there for years and also get answers from Idriel before returning to reality without time passing...

This is the exact problem that I mentioned earlier, these small flaws in the story that have not been explained from the beginning until now are what allow all of this to be viable and possible.
However, I started thinking again about my theory n.8 and it increasingly makes more sense and would also be even more interesting and complex to have in the story, it literally fills in all the gaps and would delve deeper into the mysteries of Astral energy even before the interference of "Founder".
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True, Orion is special, but I'm not counting on whatever his powers can potentially do to recover from death, still. Because we don't know exactly who he actually is, could be an Immortal like the Founder, or a complete new entity with a different set of abilities. If it's none of the two and is just a human who has 100% compatibility, then chances of him becoming an NPC and can leave Eternum is very slim.
Dorfnutter said:
Would it? I would argue that spending a long time trapped in eternity in a place that you think you can't escape from can change a person quite well. Would give Orion a lot more pause when it comes to making decisions should he escape, especially if fucking up the second time results in him being trapped there again for god knows how long, even more so if the way he escapes there the first time is a one-time thing that can no longer be repeated.
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I guess that depends on the individual. In my opinion, if there is no direct consequences in real world, there is nothing to prevent him to just say "See, nothing changed!" and forgo anything learned from staying in the Limbo, even if it's a one time escape ticket. Having time lost that he failed El Coyote's quest is the most reasonable, doubling down the consequences aside from getting stuck in a fraction of eternity in Limbo will reassure Orion not to make mistakes further.
 
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yinAzura said:
True, Orion is special, but I'm not counting on whatever his powers can potentially do to recover from death, still. Because we don't know exactly who he actually is, could be an Immortal like the Founder, or a complete new entity with a different set of abilities. If it's none of the two and is just a human who has 100% compatibility, then chances of him becoming an NPC and can leave Eternum is very slim.
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yinAzura said:
I guess that depends on the individual. In my opinion, if there is no direct consequences in real world, there is nothing to prevent him to just say "See, nothing changed!" and forgo anything learned from staying in the Limbo, even if it's a one time escape ticket. Having time lost that he failed El Coyote's quest is the most reasonable, doubling down the consequences aside from getting stuck in a fraction of eternity in Limbo will reassure Orion not to make mistakes further.
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Again, not possible given that Cari is planning to continue the pirate questline next update and the other factors involved (i.e. December events). Also, failing El Coyote's quest would completely make the Chop Chop - Wenlin encounter somewhat pointless as not only would it render the map meaningless but also make us lose a portion of our Eternals for nothing (and yes, I know around 10 eternals is a pittance, but money is money). You can argue that all of it was just fluff and that you're supposed to buy the Polyjuice to make up for it, but if that's the case then maybe the encounter should've just been held off until the next server.

Furthermore, El Coyote's Mcguffin could be of some grave importance if he's willing to exchange his gem for that. So I just think it's weird if Cari threw that plot thread in only for it to not be brought up again because Orion was scripted to fail the quest due to his untimely hiccup at a random alleyway in Kredon.
 
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Dorfnutter said:
Again, not possible given that Cari is planning to continue the pirate questline next update and the other factors involved (i.e. December events). Also, failing El Coyote's quest would completely make the Chop Chop - Wenlin encounter somewhat pointless as not only would it render the map meaningless but also make us lose a portion of our Eternals for nothing (and yes, I know around 10 eternals is a pittance, but money is money). You can argue that all of it was just fluff and that you're supposed to buy the Polyjuice to make up for it, but if that's the case then maybe the encounter should've just been held off until the next server.

Furthermore, El Coyote's Mcguffin could be of some grave importance if he's willing to exchange his gem for that. So I just think it's weird if Cari threw that plot thread in only for it to not be brought up again because Orion was scripted to fail the quest due to his untimely hiccup at a random alleyway in Kredon.
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Limbo is a distortion of space and time, "IF" Mc breaks the limbo "chains", he can returns before being shot?
Maybe Idriel didn't see his death because he doesn't really die with Limbo interaction...
 
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