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VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.0] [Caribdis]

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Dorfnutter

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Redd23 said:
Orion already was able to appear there and remember what happened later on. Something else needs to be switched, maybe in Orion's nature.
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It's implied that he remembers for a short while but eventually forgets as some time passes (kinda like how you wake up from a dream and you remember it vividly but as the minutes go on you start to forget some of the specifics until you forget it altogether). Also the difference you're looking for is that he enters Limbo while he's still alive. And now he's not. :HideThePain:

Also one of the reasons why I'm reluctant to say in finality that Orion's death and eventual resurrection is the "breaking" that Idriel wants is because it kinda runs counter to the whole "not dying is worse than death" spiel that she talked about prior to the Collector event. If anything, she likely is against any notion of prolonging or bringing life back in an unnatural fashion. And we've already seen in OIAL what a prolonged life does to a person, so there's a high chance she's against that (and is why she wants to liberate the dead from what's likely their unnatural extension of life in Eternum).

But I dunno, guess we'll see in 0.8 how that's gonna play out. Still think that a confrontation or long talk with her is long overdue, and Orion ending up in Limbo could provide that particular opportunity.
 
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Dorfnutter said:
It's implied that he remembers for a short while but eventually forgets as some time passes (kinda like how you wake up from a dream and you remember it vividly but as the minutes go on you start to forget some of the specifics until you forget it altogether). Also the difference you're looking for is that he enters Limbo while he's still alive. And now he's not. :HideThePain:

Also one of the reasons why I'm reluctant to say in finality that Orion's death and eventual resurrection is the "breaking" that Idriel wants is because it kinda runs counter to the whole "not dying is worse than death" spiel that she talked about prior to the Collector event. If anything, she likely is against any notion of prolonging or bringing life back in an unnatural fashion. And we've already seen in OIAL what a prolonged life does to a person, so there's a high chance she's against that (and is why she wants to liberate the dead from what's likely their unnatural extension of life in Eternum).

But I dunno, guess we'll see in 0.8 how that's gonna play out. Still think that a confrontation or long talk with her is long overdue, and Orion ending up in Limbo could provide that particular opportunity.
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Isnt Orion somehow reincarnating anyway? Or at least was in the past and this time its somehow the last try?

Thats how i interpreted the talks from idriel and the syndicate about how they tried everything already and how Orion (or a former version of him) could have been the guy in calypso's story.

I still think Orion will not die tho and Calypso will port him last second to her and heal him.
 
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Krytax123 said:
Isnt Orion somehow reincarnating anyway? Or at least was in the past and this time its somehow the last try?

Thats how i interpreted the talks from idriel and the syndicate about how they tried everything already and how Orion (or a former version of him) could have been the guy in calypso's story.

I still think Orion will not die tho and Calypso will port him last second to her and heal him.
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It's one interpretation, yes. Another would be that she has the gift of foresight and she could see or has seen all potential futures that Orion can walk, and that the one he's walking in is the ideal path. The infodump on Limbo being separate from time and space and Idriel being trapped there could be used to justify such development (and then there's also her blind seer look, which in certain media usually entail a person who can see beyond the present).

Also, given that this story is basically about the dead not staying dead, Orion still has a chance to get back in the saddle even if he does end up like a fucking dodo. The question right now tho is just how he gets back up (which we won't know until 0.8 hits).
 
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Dorfnutter said:
It's implied that he remembers for a short while but eventually forgets as some time passes (kinda like how you wake up from a dream and you remember it vividly but as the minutes go on you start to forget some of the specifics until you forget it altogether). Also the difference you're looking for is that he enters Limbo while he's still alive. And now he's not. :HideThePain:

Also one of the reasons why I'm reluctant to say in finality that Orion's death and eventual resurrection is the "breaking" that Idriel wants is because it kinda runs counter to the whole "not dying is worse than death" spiel that she talked about prior to the Collector event. If anything, she likely is against any notion of prolonging or bringing life back in an unnatural fashion. And we've already seen in OIAL what a prolonged life does to a person, so there's a high chance she's against that (and is why she wants to liberate the dead from what's likely their unnatural extension of life in Eternum).

But I dunno, guess we'll see in 0.8 how that's gonna play out. Still think that a confrontation or long talk with her is long overdue, and Orion ending up in Limbo could provide that particular opportunity.
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:)

That being said we need to wait the next update and see how things will unfold.
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Yup, as I said, just a random though that I wanted to share with you guys, nothing can be proven until next 6 months passes :D
Idriel for sure gotta receive a bigger role/scene, on that I 100% agree. As for all else (basicaly the true meaning and repercussions of Orion's death), we will see :)
 
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A gut shot is a gut shot! The blood loss that was visible indicated a lot of torn tissue. If the hero doesn't get medical help quickly, nothing in the real world can save him.
In order for the hero to be able to heal himself in some way, a complex process in the body would have to be initiated and extremely accelerated. A healing process is not a conscious process, but rather various automatic processes that intertwine. That's why I would push any explanation that the MC heals himself within minutes into the realm of fairy tales and myths.
In the game with Update 0.8, if an ambulance doesn't come rushing around the corner right at the beginning, the MC is dead. And even if this were the case, our hero would be out for weeks if not months. Of course our hero can also play in the hospital without a suit, ha!
Unless the so-called “real” world turns out to be “only” virtual. Then of course everything would be possible. Def Held would just have to rewrite its own code a bit.
I don't know what card game trick Cari will pull out of her hat, but if the hero suddenly heals himself in the real world, I'll just laugh.
 
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ruki0907

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How old is the discord account? The server isn't accepting accounts that are less than 1 or 2 days old
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My Discord account has been created for several years, and I haven't had any issues joining other servers.
Moreover, I've joined fewer than 100 servers.
Could it be that the server has reached its maximum capacity for accepting new members, and that's why I'm unable to join?
 
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Dorfnutter

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hzjujk said:
The moment magic can interact with technology, magic “dies”!
This is simply defined by the law of conservation of energy or conservation of information.
But of course it's a game and Cari can define what he wants in it.
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Well yes (though stories where Magitech exists disagree with that regard), but a setting's rules should be consistent, no? If you introduce magic to a setting then that element should still exist unless blatantly stated otherwise. And so far magic still has a play in the setting, given that William essentially revealed at the beginning of the update that Eternum isn't a Virtual MMO but something akin to the Astral Realm that's accessible via Astral Projections or Out-of-Body experiences (like dreaming), and that the Founder is inducing said experience using the Nerve Implant for his search of the Gems. If that doesn't sound like magic or occult-related to you, then I don't know what is.
 
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Dorfnutter said:
Well yes (though stories where Magitech exists disagree with that regard), but a setting's rules should be consistent, no? If you introduce magic to a setting then that element should still exist unless blatantly stated otherwise. And so far magic still has a play in the setting, given that William essentially revealed at the beginning of the update that Eternum isn't a Virtual MMO but something akin to the Astral Realm that's accessible via Astral Projections or Out-of-Body experiences (like dreaming), and that the Founder is inducing said experience using the Nerve Implant for his search of the Gems. If that doesn't sound like magic or occult-related to you, then I don't know what is.
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I am of the same opinion. I just want to make it clear that the hero's "reality" can have nothing to do with the reality that surrounds us and that we experience every day.
And any attempt to map the two “realities” onto each other is doomed to failure.
 
Dorfnutter

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hzjujk said:
I am of the same opinion. I just want to make it clear that the hero's "reality" can have nothing to do with the reality that surrounds us and that we experience every day.
And any attempt to map the two “realities” onto each other is doomed to failure.
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I don't think anyone's contesting that tho (e6mill's quip aside)? Just saying that there's more to the setting than meets the eye and that there are people in this thread who are aware about it, particularly those who've played the dev's first game and know that this one chronology takes place a long while after that.
 
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ruki0907 said:
My Discord account has been created for several years, and I haven't had any issues joining other servers.
Moreover, I've joined fewer than 100 servers.
Could it be that the server has reached its maximum capacity for accepting new members, and that's why I'm unable to join?
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It cannot be at maximum capacity because every single day more people join it. Perhaps you could post on Caribdis' itch.io page about it?
 
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