sexypeanut

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It just seems to me like this game is close to done. Unless the game is much longer, or the Dev jams in a ton of scenes with each girl in the back half of the game, this game will not meet standards set by other big titles. Nothing necessarily wrong with that... If your dream is to make a 2-3 star porn game, great, dream achieved.
The game will reach at least the 0.12 update, which means 5 updates and more or less between 2 and 3 years. There's a lot of story yet to be told.
And why every single AVN must meet the standards set by other games? I rather have a game like Eternum than a BaDIK or Summer's Gone that will never be completed.
 

Dorfnutter

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Why does it have to be one or the other. It seems like most people are saying the game can either have a great story and characters, or a lot of sex; not both. Why not both?
I mean there are plenty of people outside these forums that are vocal with the idea of playing this game WITHOUT the porn, so...

Also as I've posted the dev himself had said that he wanted to focus on the story more so than ramping up the lewds. People like that he's focusing more on the story even at the cost of number of lewds.

In fact he's already mentioned on his Discord channel that once we hit the threesomes not every possible combination will be touched upon if the story didn't provide the setup/foreshadowing for it. Really goes to show where his priorities lie.
 
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Why not both? Are you seriously saying that if characters like Nancy or Nova, who have very little sex content beyond teasing,
What do you mean very little sex content beyond teasing ? Both had intense lewds in the recent updates, Nancy is even the first girl to get the full package in the real world. At this point they don't have less sexual content than Alex, Penny or Annie.

I get that some people would enjoy that each love interest get a scene in every update but It not only would mean more work to put but it would also diminish the expectations for the next scene and become a bit redundant after a while. Waiting ( as long as it's reasonable ) is part of the pleasure in a sense
 

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Nova also has only one sex scene, with the first two scenes being teasing. The second tease being total blue balls, like Nancy's first scene, which in my opinion is a cardinal sin in a slow burn AVN. When things finally spice up, NEVER put on the breaks full stop. That is poor writing.
Sounds like a "you" problem to me than actual fact, considering that you've been very vocal so far that you want more lewds despite the story not always supporting the matter (such as the case of the scenes you've criticized as "blue balling" when the reasons for those are basically fair/can't be helped).
 

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Why does it have to be one or the other. It seems like most people are saying the game can either have a great story and characters, or a lot of sex; not both. Why not both? Are you seriously saying that if characters like Nancy or Nova, who have very little sex content beyond teasing, had their lewd content end at what is already in the game that you would be fine with that? No one would be upset, even a little?
I never implied one or the other. But it seems that your number of optimal h-scenes differs from ours. How many would you like?

I'd settle for like 5 per character, but I know it might not reach that number. The story conditions who gets a sex scene and how many of those. I rather have a game with great story and sex scenes that make sense than one filled with them but that matter little to the big picture.
 

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We're at about the half way point, assuming the game ends at 1.4. My worry is that due to the larger cast of main LIs, as opposed to only having 3 in the dev's last game, that characters who it would make sense to have more sex scenes, won't end up getting them.
AFAIK, OIALT only had 2 main LIs (the sisters). All the others were SIs.

So its possible we gonna take Luna and Dalia virginity in the next update
Dalia, pretty much so. Luna? Doubt it.
IIRC, the main contenders for h-scenes are Nancy, Dalia, Annie and probably Calypso.
 

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I'm more worried about the opposite by now: That Cari will feel obligated to put in scenes that don't really flow well with the story just to fulfill a certain scene count per update (which seems to be between 3 and 4 by now).

Also this is a slow cooker and we're only around roughly two thirds through the story. So obviously the amount of sex scenes will be rather back-loaded. By now slightly more than half the girls have crossed that particular Rubicon, with Dalia and Annie likely crossing theirs in the next update, which would leave only one LI without a full scene (keeping the best for last and all that :HideThePain: ). So comparing it to OiaLT, we will see probably a lot of scenes in future updates and every girl will likely get at least 3-4 more scenes, depending on the number of overall upgrades, average scene counter per update and number of threesomes this can even rise to 5 or more. And considering you'll be able to get ALL the scenes in one good playthrough compared to games like BaDIK in which you end up missing out on 70% or more of scenes depending on your path...that should be enough for everybody. :WeSmart:
 
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Yeah good luck with that.

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Not sure if I misunderstand your point but if you do the math; with 5-7 updates left, and 3.5 lewd scenes per update, and with quite a few of those being threesomes, that ends up being 3+ proper sex scenes per girl in the end.

On another note; I somewhat agree that blue-balling scenes like that with Nancy in the baths and Nova at the party can be infuriating, but I don't care as much since we've gotten lewd scenes elsewhere in the very same updates. I do think that if you release shorter updates and the only scene(s) in an update are these blue-balling scenes, that would be a mortal sin of AVN-making.
 
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Takkatakka

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On another note; I somewhat agree that blue-balling scenes like that with Nancy in the baths and Nova at the party can be infuriating, but I don't care as much since we've gotten lewd scenes elsewhere in the very same updates. I do think that if you release shorter updates and the only scene(s) in an update are these blue-balling scenes, that would be a mortal sin of AVN-making.
Teasing the player with those scenes is the point of those scenes anyway. It also is a good way of aligning the feelings of the MC with the feelings of the player...can we call that "feelings"? You know, what I mean... :HideThePain:
 

Dorfnutter

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Nope, my point is totally valid. There are tons of ways to write a scene not being able to go all the way to sex, without making the audience think sex is going to happen, and then pulling the rug out from under them. That is a cheap trick, and bad writing.
Then we'll have to agree to disagree. You think it's bad writing, I think it's a valid technique to build anticipation since it's being used in a lot of AVNs. And it'll likely be used by Cari again in the next game, as is tradition.

Not sure if I misunderstand your point but if you do the math; with 5-7 updates left, and 3.5 lewd scenes per update, and with quite a few of those being threesomes, that ends up being 3+ proper sex scenes per girl in the end.
Point being it's possible that we'll have an uneven number amongst the girls in the end. Also there's the fact that Caly is counted as an LI but it's more than likely she only gets fewer scenes compared to the main LIs (and I don't think she'll join any sort of threesome either).
 
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Why does it have to be one or the other. It seems like most people are saying the game can either have a great story and characters, or a lot of sex; not both. Why not both? Are you seriously saying that if characters like Nancy or Nova, who have very little sex content beyond teasing, had their lewd content end at what is already in the game that you would be fine with that? No one would be upset, even a little?
It doesn't have to be one or the other - if you're okay waiting twice as long, or more, for updates.

Honey Select is a ball ache for animations. I'm pretty good with blender, but the finicky nature of IK and FK, along with the only dope sheet options being mods, make HS2 really long winded to animate in. It IS much better than DAZ for the output (with mods), but is ridiculously time consuming to make custom animations.

I recently spent a whole day, outputting just two 3 second animations in HS2. If you want a good scene, it will take weeks to produce the same "playtime" you would get from a couple of days of writing and posing static renders.

There has to be some balance, and priorities set. These games cannot build teams. Developers are lucky to have a partner to work with - and Caribdis even sacrifices his own profit to employ an animator to keep dev times reasonable (as of the last two updates).

What you are asking for is unreasonable, until the profit for making one of these games actually allows for a real business. There are two guys making enough that that would be possible, and they're both dick holes.
 

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I don't think you get what I'm talking about. I'm asking for more of the scenes to be actual sex scenes, not for the dev to increase the total amount of scenes in the game. I'm sure there will be plenty in the finished product.
I like sex scenes as much as anyone but personally I think he's done a great job pacing the game, including having a decent number of early lewd scenes and then leading up to some full sex scenes (most of which are really top notch IMO). I don't mind that Annie and Dahlia haven't fully given it up yet. They'll get there, and have already had some lewd scenes, just haven't fully sealed the deal yet. I assume we'll get some threesomes in the somewhat near future as well based on his previous game and some of the dialog we've seen from the girls in this one already. We already sort of had one if you count voyeurism (the Matt scene).

I think my only real complaint if I had to nitpick would be that the game is pretty linear. I'd like to see a bit more branching so that choices seem to make more of a difference even if many of those paths re-converge at some point but the story is good as it is anyway.
 
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