VN Ren'Py Eternum [v0.8.5 Public] [Caribdis]

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KanyeT

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TangerineTango said:
what do yall honestly think of Thanatos?

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Cause honestly for me his character is kinda getting stale and boring already. I get his supposed to be this intimidating and looming threat for Orion and the gang but I'm just at a point where every time he's mentioned or appears on screen I groan and say "ah shit, here we go again" in a disappointed tone. Learning his backstory in that one update was cool and all but he's a one trick pony for me as of now. He just appears, does some OP shit, kill someone (usually Jerry) then dips over and over again. Lastly, idk but the more I see him, he's kinda looking like a bargain bin yoshimitsu cosplay.

Don't know if my take is controversial or not, feel free to roast me if it is but Im just meh to this guy XD
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I was expecting more out of the next encounter. We spent all this time tracking down his real name and family, learning about his past and his status as a dead NPC, and it felt like it meant nothing.

Orion mentioned it to him during their fight, and it just rolled off his shoulders like nothing. He didn't seem to care whatsoever.

I was kind of hoping we would get some more characterisation. Learn a bit more about his motives, his past and history, and more about his side of the story. But instead, we got nothing.
 
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Always with the fucking cliffhangers in these games.

We're gonna be playing the next part anyway, there's really no need for them.
 
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Dorfnutter said:
Not really? The lines preceding this was Orion telling her that she's not supposed to be there as it's the real world, and not Eternum. She agrees to this, and also says it's the reason why he was going to die. In that context, "no coin, no reset" sounds more like he doesn't get second chances in real life unlike in Eternum where there's a lot of ways to survive and that he could deal with dying because it's his projection that dies, not him.


He never had a vision of Caly except a few that were shown with her in "weapon" form (that orb thingy that Idriel showed when she was doing that infodump about the weapons). His headaches of the Founder are less "visions" and seemingly more about the dead trying to warn him about him and telling him not to trust the guy.


Again, either they've witnessed it in person or they've seen every single possible future there is because they have foresight (or at least, they thought they did until Orion basically chose tails). Either could be true.


Part of me thinks it's cryptic symbolism of what will be (or what came before if you subscribe to the loop theory). There's a render there that shows Caly in "weapon" form similar to the Idriel infodump, yet when we bust her out we see she doesn't look like that. We see him bleeding with his powers activated while in a morgue, which could symbolize him surviving/reviving from his "death" with his powers (which he did technically). Now that I think about it, Caly being in those renders could also symbolize that his survival/revival was going to involve her.

Would be funny tho if this is the reason why Idriel thinks it's pointless to tell Orion shit, because most of what they see are cryptic bullshit to any normal person, and only someone versed in interpreting said visions would understand what they mean. Couple that with Orion not remembering his dreams, and it truly would be totally pointless.


I don't think she can do that. The infodump on Limbo makes it sound more like she is (or they are, if the Syndicate also happens to be there) in a unique position to view past, present, and future. Being able to project herself (or themselves) from there to everywhere, anywhere, all at once could also explain how she (or they) could seemingly pop in and out during convenient moments in the story, and why she (and/or the Syndicate) have some sort of prescience on events that would yet come to pass.
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I think you're overlooking the no coin no reset. I mean, Idriel is flipping the coin throughout the game and keeps bringing it up so we know it's an object she has, and it's unrelated to how people can come back if their astral projection dies. It'd be an oddly specific thing to say if it was meant more as a metaphor for second chances. There's something she can do in Eternum that's saved Orion's ass before, but can't do that in real life, or how that's how interpret it.

Eternum is full of magic where anything is possible, and considering how we now know Orion can live in both worlds all the same, then her powers can be significant to Orion's past and origins.

All we know about the Limbo is that it's Idriel's prison. I like your theory about the Syndicate, but no way to know if it's true. Although, to me, all those comments like "we've already tried" or "will this time be different" doesn't line up with just having foresight, they're more concrete, like they've been there witnessing events happening and tried to physically influence them multiple times, so I don't think we're talking just visions.

You mentioned Orion not remembering his dreams, which is brought up half a dozen times in the game. I always thought it's weird because he seems to remember it immediately after it happened (like feeling his neck when he was chained), but then never thinks of them again and seems to believe the next dream is always a first. It's definitely a clue for something. His headaches when something important is happening. Idriel wanting him to remember. His dance with Penny and feeling like he learned to dance in another life.

It all points to a lot having happened in the past, and there's only so much that could've happened in a 18 year old's life. If you ask me, there either has to be a loop (maybe even during the game we don't know about) or he's lived multiple lives.
 
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KanyeT said:
I was expecting more out of the next encounter. We spent all this time tracking down his real name and family, learning about his past and his status as a dead NPC, and it felt like it meant nothing.

Orion mentioned it to him during their fight, and it just rolled off his shoulders like nothing. He didn't seem to care whatsoever.

I was kind of hoping we would get some more characterisation. Learn a bit more about his motives, his past and history, and more about his side of the story. But instead, we got nothing.
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To be fair, I like the way he introduced him to this update. This whole update was about him slowly but surely getting to all the finishing touches with the girls and showing how he was getting progressively stronger, and then BAM, he shows up before him.

and the story is absolutely great.
 
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I really think that in the next chapter is gonna be about the winter arc where orion gonna train in the calypso world for some time hopefully not years or it might be years waiting for calypso to recover and then try to go back to the earth and find all the girls pregnant or at least the ones that he cummed inside, it sounds crazy but its my theory
 
Dorfnutter

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topshelf said:
I think you're overlooking the no coin no reset. I mean, Idriel is flipping the coin throughout the game and keeps bringing it up so we know it's an object she has, and it's unrelated to how people can come back if their astral projection dies. It'd be an oddly specific thing to say if it was meant more as a metaphor for second chances. There's something she can do in Eternum that's saved Orion's ass before, but can't do that in real life, or how that's how interpret it.
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The full line was "there is no coin HERE. No reset." I thought that HERE meant real life, hence my interpretation as to what she meant.

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All we know about the Limbo is that it's Idriel's prison.
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Also the lines were "because we've seen it. Because we've tried." You could interpret that as them witnessing the event in person, but the Limbo infodump implies that they could be viewing things from there and projecting themselves into Eternum just as how Idriel does when she projects herself into the Nexus (she does mention that outside of Limbo she's basically a "hollow shell.")

topshelf said:
You mentioned Orion not remembering his dreams, which is brought up half a dozen times in the game. I always thought it's weird because he seems to remember it immediately after it happened (like feeling his neck when he was chained), but then never thinks of them again and seems to believe the next dream is always a first. It's definitely a clue for something. His headaches when something important is happening. Idriel wanting him to remember. His dance with Penny and feeling like he learned to dance in another life.

It all points to a lot having happened in the past, and there's only so much that could've happened in a 18 year old's life. If you ask me, there either has to be a loop (maybe even during the game we don't know about) or he's lived multiple lives.
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One of the issues with the loop theory is that it implies Idriel and the Syndicate have no fucking clue what they're doing to rectify the issue of being in a loop. On one hand, their support basically implies that they're laying down the path Orion needs to follow in order to help him with the gem hunt and ultimately break the loop. But then there's Idriel conditioning Orion to always choose differently even when things are inevitable with the heads or tails talk. Then when Orion gets shot in the alley, she tells him that "this was not foreseen" as if that was a bad thing and that his fate in that alley is the end instead of reminding him about the heads or tails talk (which would've clued him in and made him want to live and thus made the discovery and use of the new ability all the more natural). And then there's the Valley of Kings guy being astonished that Orion doing something NOT inevitable...as if they weren't trying to pave the path to him breaking shit in the first place.

Another issue with Orion being in a loop is that usually at this point he should start feeling a sense of deja vu that grows stronger as the story nears its climax. We have tentatively 5 chapters left and Orion still doesn't have that feeling except that one time with Penny (which one could also possibly construe as him having some sort of prescience like Idriel and the Syndicate but since he forgets his dreams the only thing lingering is in the subconscious). Multiple lives may work but there's nothing in the story other than that throwaway line in Penny's Ekabar path that foreshadows that (unlike Orion's new ability which tracks since it feels like a natural evolution to Orion projecting himself in Eternum without the headset and also answers the question why the Founder hasn't been seen in real life and is only seen in Eternum).
 
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