Jehuty206
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It is a common 3D model indeed.Some of those are indeed fun, but none of those games have Carla anyway.
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Phase_01
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its blowing something other than my mind tooCouldn't agree more, the game is simply mind blowing as of right now, I'm eagerly awaiting v 0.6 never been so caught by a game before, Caribdis created an amazing work.
Phase_01
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jokes on you, i know some ppl that would happily be into that
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Even leaving aside what it does to the likability of the protagonist, it's just... not fun. This shit is fantasy. Of course in the real world it'd never happen, but we're playing harem games because we wish it would. If we can live in a world of step-twins and biological landladies we can certainly accept all these girls who are inexplicably throwing themselves at the dweeb MC also don't mind sharing. Fuck it. Live the dream. I'll also accept magic sensory technology & the government not minding a private company creating its own currency while I'm at it. Let's live the fucking dream and enjoy the story.
Dragon59
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I've been polyamorous all my adult life, so with some people, it does work. Of course, those people are not giving up their access to other lovers....
I mean this is the mindset I always try to have playing these types of games, but it can be hard sometimes to suspend disbelief when I pay attention to part of the story. Like the part that always gets me is MC telling Annie "I've had a crush on you for the longest time" and then the next day he eats out Nancy, asks Dalia for a blowjob, and a week later is telling Luna's dad he wants to pursue her romantically. It can be disorienting especially when the MC is never written to ever think about other girls before deciding to do something naughty (though I fully understand why people wouldn't enjoy the game if this were the case). It truly comes off as dishonest, so I get what Dragon59 is saying. People say that you can play the game how you want and not pursue everyone, which is true, but the harem path is essentially the main path of the game, and Eternum is written with the harem ending in mind.
Granted I'm not saying Caribdis should change how he writes the game or anything. I don't think these preferences align well with most people who play the game. It's also funny how I never felt the protagonist of OIALT to be unlikeable, but I do with Eternum. It's definitely because the Eternum girls are much more well written, and seeing the MC being dishonest with them annoys me.
Dragon59
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Yes, I definitely hope he can continue forward with responsible non-monogamy with the knowledge and consent of those involved, especially the seven stars of the game. On the other hand, Luna's father may have something to...say if he finds out.
this part of your post is quite similar to my own view on this. As a viewer, some of the dialogues is kinda immersion breaking yeah.
Also agree with you fully on the "you can just not choose that girl's path" counterpoint. Eternum is not about choosing between Path A and Path B, it's about whether you want to see the Main Path, or Skip it because you don't want to see that girl's path.
If a player doesn't do the harem playthrough, they are just cut off from stories, there is no adequate Path B.
So the idea that "you can just not pursuit (girl)" is not really an actual option, it's much more of a Skip Content.
Action is great though
I agree with the opinions above. I am a lot more forgiving of horndog tendencies for main characters in harem games but I hope the harem is established sooner rather than later and the game focuses on building these relationships within the harem properly instead of it being like once in a lifetime where everything happened at the end of the game. Also we can get more group sex and threesomes that way.
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Walter Victor
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I'm not sure what an "adequate Path B" would be. Yes, you would miss sexual content with girls if you avoided their paths. But that's the very point of giving you those choices. What else would you miss? Not story progression. That is independent of what happens sexually.
Do you mean having sex with Girl A INSTEAD OF Girl B? That IS what non-harem stories do, not this game. Try this though: make a playthrough for every girl. Concentrate on one girl for each route, ignoring all others. There - you have created a non-harem game out of this one.
But, no, you're not going to get situations where if you romance Girl A, she marries you, if you don't, she joins a convent or commits suicide or kills your puppy or some other path that completely changes the story. I say, thank goodness!
Forgive me if I am misunderstanding you, but you seem to be boiling everything down to what happens with potential LIs, which gives disservice to the actual game, which is almost worth playing without any sex.
As to whether you feel uncomfortable having the MC tell different girls that he is madly in love with them, I can empathize with that view, since I feel it myself in many games, especially when I try to make a harem game out of one that's not one.
But, I haven't had that feeling thus far in this game. But, maybe that's just me not being sensitive enough.one example would be we don't go to Andromeda Space Resort with Annie if not on Annie Path.I'm not sure what an "adequate Path B" would be. Yes, you would miss sexual content with girls if you avoided their paths. But that's the very point of giving you those choices. What else would you miss? Not story progression. That is independent of what happens sexually.
Do you mean having sex with Girl A INSTEAD OF Girl B? That IS what non-harem stories do, not this game. Try this though: make a playthrough for every girl. Concentrate on one girl for each route, ignoring all others. There - you have created a non-harem game out of this one.
But, no, you're not going to get situations where if you romance Girl A, she marries you, if you don't, she joins a convent or commits suicide or kills your puppy or some other path that completely changes the story. I say, thank goodness!
Forgive me if I am misunderstanding you, but you seem to be boiling everything down to what happens with potential LIs, which gives disservice to the actual game, which is almost worth playing without any sex.
As to whether you feel uncomfortable having the MC tell different girls that he is madly in love with them, I can empathize with that view, since I feel it myself in many games, especially when I try to make a harem game out of one that's not one.
I would want to see the MC experience Andromeda Space Resort even if the MC isn't on Annie's Path.
I don't care about the adult scenes. Not for this game at least. Not for most games for that matter.
But I want to see the story.
Dropping off someone's path means not seeing their story events.
"Path B" as in, still go, but as a friend.
Anyway, it's minor.
I can live with it.
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You cannot have multiple paths with 7 possibly 8 love interests. It would be far too much in terms of development time resulting in long updates with tiny amounts of content which would only make people unhappy.
I like this approach. The game is clearly a harem game and it stays true to that vision. With every update you feel like the story is advancing in contrast to many other games where it feels like the story is stuck and progress is extremely slow.
The only thing I want from this game is for the harem to be established sooner rather than later. As others pointed out the MC can come off as a bit insensitive if he keeps doing stuff behind the girls backs.
Walter Victor
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Ahh! You want to be able to remove a girl completely from the MC's experience if he's not on a romantic path with her.
I don't really know of games that do that. They may become friends or enemies, but not ghosts, unless they actually do die.
I'm afraid I'm not interested in what you're looking for. But that's on me. Carry on.
i think you misunderstood my post. I meant it the other way around.
I want to still be able to see Andromeda Space Resort even if the MC is not on Annie's Path.
In this game, if you are not on Annie's Path, you skip the entire Andromeda Space Resort event completely.
So "Path B" as in, still go, but as a friend.
Some games change around the dialogue while having largely the same renders.
Like if you're on a girl's path, you get the adult scenes, and if you're not, you skip the adult scenes but you could still get the events.
Mostly I agree with Jocoyo's post, particulary this part:
> but it can be hard sometimes to suspend disbelief when I pay attention to part of the story. Like the part that always gets me is MC telling......
as a reader, I'm confused how I should view the MC.
It's really all about how the dialogues is written in Eternum.
I agree with their take that MC says A to Annie one day, and then the next also says A to Luna.
So how should I view the MC as a reader?
Should I view him as duplicitous?
Or should I just ignore what MC said to Annie on Annie's day, while Luna's day is happening, and view those 2 days and the dialogue as "2 separate events unrelated to one another" because this is a harem game?
I don't know.
It breaks my suspension of disbelief a bit, but again, eh, it's minor.
I do still think we should be able to go to Space Resort even without being on Annie's Path though.
just change around the scripts a bit.
Dylan741
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Something that both of you seems to not grasp completely ( and it's understandable if you don't have that mindset in real life) is that the MC can say to Annie he had a crush on her for the long time and, at the same time, he can romance Nancy, Dalia and the other girls without finding it strange, because the romantic feelings coexist in his mind without causing him doubt or restraining his actions.
When he's with Annie in that moment only her is important to him, but the moment he's with Nancy or the other girls the same thing happen.
This doesn't mean he's faking love for Annie, or he's compartmentalizing, he just truly love all of them at the same time, and that's what clash with your own ability to read the situation, because you didn't experienced that irl, you can't really accept that completely that's why at a certain point you have issues with it.
We aren't educated to polyamorous relationships, our society is constantly focused on prioritizing the monogamy instead ( I don't want to list all the various influences that concur to create this mindset, religions, families, etc etc, this is not the right place to talk exhaustively of this), so as much as we try to evade it with these games, we always find the MC somewhat of a cheater consciously or not.
Especially when in the story he's not being honest and upfront saying to the girls that he want an open relationship, but to his partial justification Orion at this point of the story is still living in the moment not really thinking to settle it, as a figure of speech the soil is being prepared ( see the jealousy between Dalia and Penelope where Orion is present, Penelope saying to Nova he likes Orion and her realizing she have a crush on him, Dalia and Alex talking about guys they like, I think Nancy already suspect something like it happened with Carla in OIAL and the other hints about it), for when the times of confrontation will happen, but it's still early to see that.
This time Caribdis is writing the story way better than in OIAL imho, he's slowly building the moment where everything will be in day broad daylights and things will be settled ( and also where he need to have the girls in love with him and open to accept sharing him).
About the possibility to visit different servers even without being on a girls path, well that's a bit of a slippery rope, because that would mean to have a more open world where the MC can roam Eternum freely, and honestly I think that would subtract time to the development of both the main story and also romancing the girls ( especially considering already how much big is the game as is), since he don't need to get there to farm money or other objects like it happen on other games to advance the story ( like in NLT games for example).
Of course this is only my point of view, but I think this is what happening to you, it's not simple to really believe in real love when you have it with more that one girl, but this is the paradox with polyamorus/harem games you either accept it as true or else you will have problems accepting it completely.
Lewyn Collins
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Alright, now I see the problem. I was writing Lancester, not Lancaster. My thanks to you, too.
Takkatakka
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Yeah, the "problem" is, that in the real world, most women probably wouldn't be too okay with a guy that comes on to them and pretty much moves into a position to start a committed relationship while doing the same with 5 or so other women as well.
Just as in OiaLT were everybody somehow was just okay with it and when you have characters that are otherwise written believable and well than it is a bit harsh to swallow the "oh, they are all just okay with it" pill if indeed that is the part we are going.
So, we have to see what happens when the "bomb goes off" and how the different characters react. I hope it will not simply be an "I'm okay with it" kinda reaction.
And about visiting the servers without the girl: That is just not possible. It would mean writing a parallel story (why would the MC even be in there without one of the girls asking to meet him there) and all of the pictures would have to be changed and rendered again...that would just be tons of additional work for little benefit.
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Dylan741
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Agreed, but as I said, imho, it's a cultural issue first and foremost in real life and it can reflect on how you perceive a fictional work that goes against it.
If you are accustomed by everything around you to see polyamorous relations as wrong, and be frowned upon and considering all the other psychological pressure to get your mindset on the monogamy as the only positive value, you will get that issue ( and girls and women are especially forced to undergo that from young age).
I'm not saying I'm a pro polyamorous at all costs, but I think that a big role in making these themes popular is that we are conditioned to see them as taboo, and it's in human nature to be curious about it, and these games can offer at least a taste of it without having to do that in real life, only one thing is never made clear enough for me in these works ( or it's rarely done).
Being in a polyamorous relation doesn't mean you're granted to have sex with as many women as you want without having nothing to fear, instead is committing yourself to an even more engaging role, because you need to love ( and when I write love I mean love, respect, treat them good and make all the women you are in a relations with feel really loved and respected) women like you will do in a monogamous relation.
Talothral with his works made a very good work on that in my opinion.
And yes, that was one of the weak parts of OIAL for me as well ( but I think it was due to it being Caribdis first work so he payed a little bit of inexperience) I agree, something that I'm seeing treated way better in Eternum, he's more careful and is planning everything with a good balance as of right now, at least to me.
We need to see when the time comes what he planned, but I think it would be good, I don't think there would be too unnecessary drama, but the right amount of it and a good ending to everything.
And yeah I agree and I said the same, freely roam in a story like Eternum with all the amount of things that are already in the plate would be an overkill, and I don't think it would add anything to the game, since it's heavily store focused and like you said the benefits would be minimal if non existent.
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Realistically, yeah, an harem in a modern era is absurd. But you are ignoring two facts, being the first that this is not a realistic story and second that, even rare and absurd, harem relationships have been existing and exist in the real world. How is gonna do it Caribdis is a good question, but is not something impossible, only extremely rare.
In my opinion something is gonna happen to the MC just after the bomb drop up, maybe being kidnaped or seriously injured, the girls are gonna ignore the harem problem and they will focus on MC's problem, and then with more time just accept that the harem is not a bad situation, just strange, and maybe even hot (Caribdis is giving clues about threesomes and more, maybe my dreaming threesome MC-Dalia-Penny is impossible, but MC-Penny-Nova is gonna happen 100% sure).
But even with that I really expect Alex kicking the MC in the balls for that, and maybe Dalia chasing him for the house when she finds he's been with Penny and with her at the same time. I want drama, but the funny one.