Ozymandias037

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Whoa whoa whoa, hang on. Just wait a goddamn minute. After reading all this discussion about the Gems and the nature of Eternum and breaking the cycle, something hit me.

I am sure that I am not the first person to come up with this idea, but I am suddenly seized by a giant "oh shit, what if" moment:

We've got the Syndicate and Idriel and (I think?) others all hinting about cycles and iterations and events happening the same way every time, wanting to change things so they happen differently... what if that's not just a time loop? We know Eternum isn't just a game, and the servers aren't just servers. Only... what if they are? What if the entire story of the game is taking place in a computer simulation and everything, including Eturnum and Hyril'ar and the "real world" and all the rest, is actually a simulation? What if Orion and Thanatos and the Founder, et al, are AI programs that have found a way to rewrite their own code, consciously or otherwise, and transcend the boundaries of the simulation? What if the people who want to break the time loop are programs who want to escape the confines of the simulation and live free? And whatever force or larger monitoring program or unknown experimenter is controlling the simulation is trying to eradicate that free will, and that's why the time loop happens, because the simulation gets restarted when the simulated minds get too out of hand? Or, perhaps even more interesting, what if that entity in control of the simulation is trying to encourage the simulated minds to grow beyond the simulation? What if collecting all the Gems is deliberately impossible with the way the simulation is originally written and the simulated minds (i.e. Orion, the Founder, and everyone else) have to learn how to rewrite the laws of their universe to make it happen?

...Now. Do I actually believe this theory? Not necessarily. I haven't played through the whole game in a couple of years and I'm way too lazy to go find hints and evidence just for the sake of a momentary glimpse of potential. And I'm honestly not sure that I'd like it as a player -- there's a chance that it could come off as sloppy or unimaginative writing, unless Caribdis did it right. But he's a pretty decent writer, I wouldn't rule it out... But meh. It's just a random thought.

But still, what if? Wouldn't that be a mindfuck?
 
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Dorfnutter

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What if the entire story of the game is taking place in a computer simulation and everything, including Eturnum and Hyril'ar and the "real world" and all the rest, is actually a simulation?
It would imply that the secret ending in OIAL is canon and Cari lied that it wasn't (I mean, I know he lies about cliffhangers and shit but that one will particularly sting, and not in a good way). Don't think that would sit well with people, especially those who played OIAL (as it would mean their entire experience was meaningless and a waste of time).
 

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We've got the Syndicate and Idriel and (I think?) others all hinting about cycles and iterations and events happening the same way every time, wanting to change things so they happen differently... what if that's not just a time loop? We know Eternum isn't just a game, and the servers aren't just servers. Only... what if they are? What if the entire story of the game is taking place in a computer simulation and everything, including Eturnum and Hyril'ar and the "real world" and all the rest, is actually a simulation? What if Orion and Thanatos and the Founder, et al, are AI programs that have found a way to rewrite their own code, consciously or otherwise, and transcend the boundaries of the simulation?
o_OIf something like this were to happen, this is what then would happen
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This could be worse than cliffhangers:HideThePain:
 
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It would imply that the secret ending in OIAL is canon and Cari lied that it wasn't (I mean, I know he lies about cliffhangers and shit but that one will particularly sting, and not in a good way). Don't think that would sit well with people, especially those who played OIAL (as it would mean their entire experience was meaningless and a waste of time).
Are we talking about the Jail ending, where older orion mentions Calypso?
 

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Are we talking about the Jail ending, where older orion mentions Calypso?
No, the Maidenless ending where it's revealed in the end that the entirety of OIAL was just a simulation played by Orion while logged in Eternum. Cari already said that was a non-canon ending and was just there to promote Eternum (the VN).
 

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It never occurred to me that the world of Eternum might be cyclical. My interpretation is that someone (the Founder?) is playing reality, including both Earth and Eternum, like a game. That someone tries to find the optimal outcome, in which Orion wins all the gems without any irreversible disasters on the way. To achieve this, this someone saves at critical moments, tries various approaches and restores when they don't work. Idriel is aware of this because she is part of the main menu (edited: of Eternum, the fictional VR game). She transcends the individual play-throughs of reality in the same way that the Ren'Py settings transcend individual play-throughs of a visual novel.
so something like the anime re:zero
 
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Ozymandias037

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No, the Maidenless ending where it's revealed in the end that the entirety of OIAL was just a simulation played by Orion while logged in Eternum. Cari already said that was a non-canon ending and was just there to promote Eternum (the VN).
Oh, I didn't remember that ending.

But that's not really what I was talking about... I was going more with the whole "the entire universe could be a computer simulation and we'd have absolutely no way to know" theory.

Or, I guess, you're not wrong, I suppose it doesn't invalidate that OIAL ending, it's just.... think one step further, and Orion is an AI in some other simulation. Again, not at all sure I'm actually advocating that theory, but it grabbed me and wouldn't let go till I put it here.
 

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Oh, I didn't remember that ending.

But that's not really what I was talking about... I was going more with the whole "the entire universe could be a computer simulation and we'd have absolutely no way to know" theory.

Or, I guess, you're not wrong, I suppose it doesn't invalidate that OIAL ending, it's just.... think one step further, and Orion is an AI in some other simulation. Again, not at all sure I'm actually advocating that theory, but it grabbed me and wouldn't let go till I put it here.
I mean, I can see Cari using this for the Maidenless ending in Eternum just for the lulz.

Canon tho? Big fucking doubt.
 

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Any theory or guess on who will have a lewd scene next update? (Im dying for a calypso penetration scene)
 

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Any theory or guess on who will have a lewd scene next update? (Im dying for a calypso penetration scene)
Personal guess is:

-Calypso foreplay stuff (still no penetration, best case is that it will probably come close but they'll be cockblocked)

-Luna penetration

-Alex and Dalia threesome (they're being featured heavily in the recent sneaks so really makes you think)

-Still too early to call this since no idea what the next sneaks will cover, but possibly a Penny scene
 

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Personal guess is:

-Calypso foreplay stuff (still no penetration, best case is that it will probably come close but they'll be cockblocked)

-Luna penetration

-Alex and Dalia threesome (they're being featured heavily in the recent sneaks so really makes you think)

-Still too early to call this since no idea what the next sneaks will cover, but possibly a Penny scene
What am I expecting in EP 9:

I can't say anything about Calypso. It depends on what the developer has planned for her. However, I've already decided that I won't start with Lorelei in either my harem route or my non-LI route.

Otherwise, I expect content from at least two of the girls:

1. Luna
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2. Alex
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Both of them only have 4 hearts, while all the others already have 5. It will be exciting to see when a girl gets the 6th heart and see the effects. Everything else is just a bonus for me.
 

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What am I expecting in EP 9:

I can't say anything about Calypso. It depends on what the developer has planned for her. However, I've already decided that I won't start with Lorelei in either my harem route or my non-LI route.

Otherwise, I expect content from at least two of the girls:

1. Luna
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2. Alex
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Both of them only have 4 hearts, while all the others already have 5. It will be exciting to see when a girl gets the 6th heart and see the effects. Everything else is just a bonus for me.
You messed up some choices ig, all girls should have 5 hearts by now

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