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Krosos

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No one is saying the quality is bad. In fact,the quality is so good that even in the current situation,that the game has a lot of gacha bullshit,and most of the new content is locked behind the online harem mode,we still do not want to just drop this game and leave. I personally want to play this game very much. But the price is too high. I pay $36 and I get all those animations? Yeah sure why not. I pay $36 and still need a lot of effort and luck to get what I have already paid for? Fuck this shit. Why would I need to do so much more to get what I have already paid for? That's the problem here. That's what people are complaining about. It's not about quality,the quality is good. It's about the common sense of "we pay,then we get stuff",not "we pay,then we grind,and hopefully if we're lucky enough,we'll get stuff".
You would only do this if you want to keep them on the cloud structure and one reason for this could be data analytics or continuously selling them content and making this a Store for them or both.


On the same xvideo there is a video with an Asian model who is small in stature and with very small breasts. Looks like a real schoolgirl, but she's 30 years old. No one bans it. So your argument is complete bullshit
Because they most probably checked the 2257 release of that Model already or know that the producer can provide it

2257 can hardly be checked for Digital Characters except Clones, so we scientifically analyze for now and it's mostly trying to find out the intent and Project Helius already advertised with the intent.
 
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F95phex

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No, this is the beta test build. Someone already shared their findings about the encryption keys here, go back some posts to find it.
I searched and i couldn't found, also i was talking about the AES key for the files of the torrent you shared, for the cracked version i already had, i can extract new ones easily with the AES finder but not when the files are protected, which is the case of this new torrent content. If anyone know where to find or have the key, please share it so at least we can view the content and extract it too.

Thanks in advance. Greetings.
 

Krosos

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Ugh
Open beta test = free access, anyone can test if they want to
Closed beta test = you either need to get invite or purchase the access. So i think it fits closed beta test terminology.
I know in the old times closed beta was something that was invite only but those times are gone and often enough access to beta is sold. Hell nowdays they even include alpha access in the supporter packs.
Greed knows no boundaries anymore even as crazy as the ways are they are millions of idiots existing playing it that way.
Else this practice would die really fast, normally you should be payed, for Multiplayer though the cost you will generate on the Server side is calculated into the overall beta testing cost and so you compensate the beta test double ways you pay part of the data cost and you pay for reporting problems ;)

WIN/WIN on the Dev and Publisher side you are the absolute looser ;)

Once upon a time there was some Dr. Clever (Dr of Psychology) in the Office and said:
"Hey why you don't let people pay instead of paying them and make it something exclusive they gonna work but they don't gonna realize it anyways so put the risk on their side push it onto them and benefit double"

And it runs perfectly since years now.

The Urge to be part of something EXCLUSIVE earlier then others works perfectly to catch those and when we found out they even would pay for their own work JACKPOT :)

Dr. Clever comes by the Office from time to time now with more brilliant "ideas" how we can lower our risk and cost.

Some in the office said: "Wait isn't that ethical wrong ?"
the answer was "If you don't like it there is the door" often though before that the reply of many "I don't want to be part of this, this isn't anymore for me what it once was goodbye im going indie"
 
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Mr. Slave

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It's actually kind of sad what became of this game. The idea was there, the talent was there, I mean the game looks great, the physics are great, it could have really been something worthwhile. But the typical greed that is like the freaking bane of the adult videogame industry just destroyed it. I went from being pretty hyped for this to just losing all interest.

Like I said. Sad.
Ahh the good old Cyperpunk 2077 syndrome. All marketing crappy product.
 

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Greed knows no boundaries anymore even as crazy as the ways are they are millions of idiots existing playing it that way.
Else this practice would die really fast, normally you should be payed, for Multiplayer though the cost you will generate on the Server side is calculated into the overall beta testing cost and so you compensate the beta test double ways you pay part of the data cost and you pay for reporting problems ;)

WIN/WIN on the Dev and Publisher side you are the absolute looser ;)

Once upon a time there was some Dr. Clever (Dr of Psychology) in the Office and said "Hey why you don't let people pay instead of paying them and make it something exclusive they gonna work but they don't gonna realize it anyways so put the risk on their side push it onto them and benefit double"

And it runs perfectly since years now.

The Urge to be part of something EXCLUSIVE earlier then others works perfectly to catch those and when we found out they even would pay for their own work JACKPOT :)
Buy in beta or early access didn't quite replace behind the doors testing. Else you might release your denuvo protected game with exe that does not have the protection applied....

I don't think it was invented by some office worker it either originates from influencers or competitive gaming.

Streamers/YT seek new games so naturally devs would offer them access to some early build of the game - they get views because it's game none has and the game gets publicity. And then people started begging publishers for access "Hey he is playing your game already , i want too , i will pay". People are impatient by nature

Competitive games - even if progression is reset beta access give you knowledge which means you can get ahead of the curve on release. Power sells.
 
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Krosos

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You are wrong it was invented and pushed into by connections between Psycho Doctors who where holding lectures at Game Dev conferences about it special companies that promoted actually "Use Manipulation to reach higher efficiency" many of the Game Shemes you seeing are coming from those it started with Achievements (What would you give the Dog to make him happy for this action, right a goodie and now the Dog will want a goodie all the time so he will stay involved getting them)

Gacha, lootboxes, Cards all these Psycho Manipulations followed

And some are really not aware that they are being Manipulated
We did Games for Fun not to expect certain reactions for maximum selling efficiency, many mega talents left after this started into other endeavors.
 
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Mr. Slave

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You are wrong it was invented and pushed into by connections between Psycho Doctors who where holding lectures at Game Dev conferences about it special companies that promoted actually "Use Manipulation to reach higher efficiency" many of the Game Shemes you seeing are coming from those it started with Achievements (What would you give the Dog to make him happy for this action, right a goodie and now the Dog will want a goodie all the time so he will stay involved getting them)

Gacha, lootboxes, Cards all these Psycho Manipulations followed

And some are really not aware that they are being Manipulated
We did Games for Fun not to expect certain reactions for maximum selling efficiency, many mega talents left after this started into other endeavors.
You don´t really need a PhD in anything to see that you can profit off the impatience of people or wanting something exclusive, e.g. buying early access/beta. I doubt that for example express delivery in contrast to standard delivery or paying to get exclusive access to a VIP lounge in a club was invented by scientists.
 

por12

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i dont get it
i cant buy the game from steam?what about the season pass?are they sold from patreon or steam?
 

StevieJobs

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i dont get it
i cant buy the game from steam?what about the season pass?are they sold from patreon or steam?
This is all going to be extremelly funny once Steam learns about what's going on with this game on the sidelines. I'm convinced PH told Valve only what they needed to know, nothing about how this game is being funded on Patreon or how people that invested money in such platform is going to earn benefits in the game without Valve knowing about it, or how the closed beta only works for those that PAYED outside Steam without the latter earing any cut on the profits. You can't buy the beta key on Steam, only on Patreon, remember this.

You see? Valve right now thinks this beta closed test is just free for those that signed up, when in reality, is a PAYED product OUTSIDE of the Valve platform and Valve hasn't got any kind of profit from these sales. I am extremelly surprised nobody at Valve hasn't called them out yet.

On the other hand, Wild Life has a demo available on Steam, but this game is single player and the demo is free, there's nothing to buy beyond going to Patreon and keep supporting them to get separate private builds not available on Steam, and that's that.

But Operation Lovecraft is making use of Valve's network and matchmaking to host this closed beta, without Steam earning a penny. Is not like Valve needs money, that's not the point. The point is that this goes against Valve's terms of service. This is pretty much like selling a premium pass or season pass OUTSIDE Steam, which Valve forbids. All DLC content or whatever for any game must be sold INSIDE the Steam store. This closed beta test was and is being sold OUTSIDE the Steam store.

Talking about cuckolds....
 

por12

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This is all going to be extremelly funny once Steam learns about what's going on with this game on the sidelines. I'm convinced PH told Valve only what they needed to know, nothing about how this game is being funded on Patreon or how people that invested money in such platform is going to earn benefits in the game without Valve knowing about it, or how the closed beta only works for those that PAYED outside Steam without the latter earing any cut on the profits. You can't buy the beta key on Steam, only on Patreon, remember this.

You see? Valve right now thinks this beta closed test is just free for those that signed up, when in reality, is a PAYED product OUTSIDE of the Valve platform and Valve hasn't got any kind of profit from these sales. I am extremelly surprised nobody at Valve hasn't called them out yet.

On the other hand, Wild Life has a demo available on Steam, but this game is single player and the demo is free, there's nothing to buy beyond going to Patreon and keep supporting them to get separate private builds not available on Steam, and that's that.

But Operation Lovecraft is making use of Valve's network and matchmaking to host this closed beta, without Steam earning a penny. Is not like Valve needs money, that's not the point. The point is that this goes against Valve's terms of service. This is pretty much like selling a premium pass or season pass OUTSIDE Steam, which Valve forbids. All DLC content or whatever for any game must be sold INSIDE the Steam store. This closed beta test was and is being sold OUTSIDE the Steam store.

Talking about cuckolds....
if its a closed beta i dont see nothing wrong,simply people can buy closed beta access through patreon
steam allow devs to playtest their games using closed betas
the passes are not online so all good there too
 

Izalith

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Yeah, I don't get it. Why fund your game on Patreon and release on Steam if the games content breaks their TOS. Galatea isn't new. She's been there since the start. Why is it only an issue now?

Edit: Holy hell it's too early for this and I can't spell haha.
bcuz greed. the plan was always to cheat steam's system by making an "all-ages" game with a day 0 adult patch.
patreon doesn't allow beastiality either, the dev just pretends not to know.
lol @ "loli baba" copout by dev. he gonna make her voiced by granny?

this game could easily be sold on dlsite, fakku, etc. with none of the issues described.
those sites were never an option bcuz they dont support mtx. dev planned this with mtx and shit-drm from the start, dont gaslight urself into believing his excuses.
 
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Izalith

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n to whoever said it's "japanese/chinese thing"

first of all, chinese/japanese patreon give u value for money. you get uncensored psd and no drm. of course if ur late u dont get to see previous months, otherwise ppl sub for 1 month and gtfo.
chinese/japanese game dont do mtx in porn game either. they do free update, look at sinistar, kung fu girl, etc.
and drm is a western thing. many asian game still have no drm today.

if theres stupid drm involved i expect 2 thing, big dev or en dev with big ego
if ur gonna talk about asian... asian-american in cali is as far as it gets from asian lol.
thats like playing smash and calling urself fighting game connoisseur

this game suck not bcuz its money first, players enjoyment second. thats fine bcuz restaurant only serve u after paying too, no prob w/ that
it sucks because it fucks players more than the girls get fucked. u have to keep payin and payin, this man need medal for creating subscription porn game. u heard of sub mmo but have u heard of sub porn game?

ppl sed diablo 3 was silly to be online-only.
well, diablo 3 made its match. online-only, mtx porn game, progress by circlejerking with other players
 
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por12

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n to whoever said it's "japanese/chinese thing"

first of all, chinese/japanese patreon give u value for money. you get uncensored psd and no drm. of course if ur late u dont get to see previous months, otherwise ppl sub for 1 month and gtfo.
chinese/japanese game dont do mtx in porn game either. they do free update, look at sinistar, kung fu girl, etc.
and drm is a western thing. many asian game still have no drm today.

if theres stupid drm involved i expect 2 thing, big dev or en dev with big ego
if ur gonna talk about asian... asian-american in cali is as far as it gets from asian lol.
thats like playing smash and calling urself fighting game connoisseur

this game suck not bcuz its money first, players enjoyment second. thats fine bcuz restaurant only serve u after paying too, no prob w/ that
it sucks because it fucks players more than the girls get fucked. u have to keep payin and payin, this man need medal for creating subscription porn game. u heard of sub mmo but have u heard of sub porn game?

ppl sed diablo 3 was silly to be online-only.
well, diablo 3 made its match. online-only, mtx porn game, progress by circlejerking with other players
whats the problem with subcriptions porn games?lol
all patreons one are that
u look at the tree but not the forest it seems
 

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Devil hides in the details.
Subscription can be a fair model - it gives devs steady/predictable income that they can use to develop content and users have a steady stream of new content to enjoy without caveats.

But then the subscriptions can take form of season pass and is used to further psychologically entrap people.
Season pass often offer exclusive content and have very good value. Let's say normal cosmetic is 10$ well in season pass you will get 5 cosmetics for 10$ plus other shit. But here is the kicker you don't just get it, you need to log in daily or semi daily and play/grind to get those rewards essentially keeping yourself addicted. If you were to stop not only you would miss on the exclusive rewards but it would mean you wasted money by purchasing the pass.
 

Mr. Slave

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whats the problem with subcriptions porn games?lol
all patreons one are that
u look at the tree but not the forest it seems
Well my friend works of art and passion rarely turn out great if profit was the main motivation. It´s in beta and the first taste we get is a broken mess and gacha mechanics before the actual gameplay loop "Operation Lovecraft is a Cthulhu mythos inspired erotic rogue-lite tactical game" my ass
 

Krosos

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whats the problem with subcriptions porn games?lol
all patreons one are that
u look at the tree but not the forest it seems
Now you realize the problem, congratulations.
When you see how a big amount of devs abuse it, yea it sucks ass.
Tiers for Cheats Subscription Tiers for uselessness Tiers for being an idiot they have all the time new ideas how to milk more and more out and Patreon is compliant of this.
Those are the Scum of our Society, you pay for something unfinished horrendous amounts in the END with the RISK it never gets finished.

And this needs to get more into Mass Media as well how this System works and how it manipulates and consumer's awareness strengthened what is happening there and how to detect when something is fishy or get a sense when someone is abusing their good will for supporting someone and make them understand that they finance a business idea not some hungry artist.

But yeah in that case Project Helius is still on the "At least we deliver something really of value" side and that's true but in the end you finance something which is build to bring others into even more dependencies and manipulate them and you as a "supporter" backer now are in this boat, you have been kept in the impression this boat moves another way, but its path changed over and over again getting greedier and greedier over time, because they understood they have control of you now, and they can do everything they want, you will follow (now you are suddenly being manipulated and abused without most probably even suspecting it).

That's a very shadowy side of Patreon this whole abuse which isn't always Scam.
Though the Scam side of it is huge as well, special organized groups abuse it as well where it is never intended to finish anything.
Some people see it as a business platform it was never intended to be that, at least not officially it was marketed as "Support Artists" since a long time it has nothing todo with this anymore.
Subscription Products and Scams are sold as well with the risk entirely on the users side and some things get planned this way (with full intent) to abuse the psychological part of some as much as possible for maximum earning.
Patreon needs heavier regulatory hurdles for this abuse to be successfully countered, especially the organized Scam Groups and their Manipulation Schemes.
 
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loler69

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so netflix is evil too? :eek: :eek: u too like the trees but not the forest
btw u totally missed the conversation here
I think the context here is extremely important, when you compare netflix or any other big streaming service that has actual use for subscriptions with consumers actually spending their time using the service, with a small dev team porn game, its pretty obvious why people are mad.

Operation Lovecraft was meant to be a pay once and play whenever game, and the people who supported them on patreon honestly were kind of in a weird situation, where the dev team kept saying "next month we'll release an update" and the patreons basically said "ok, ill wait", rinse and repeat about 6 months back from June to today, they've forced their patreons to adopt an online only game that they were also forced to wait for an unneeded 5 extra months, considering those extra months were dealing with steams beta test keys problem.

Comparing an actual service like Netflix which already has content and reason to spend money and more importantly time on, to an indie porn game that not only made their consumers wait for a feature no one asked for nor was advertised 6 months ago, but to also make them spend even MORE time to rack up ingame currency to even play the damn animations, its a spit in the face to their community, if you cant see whats wrong with that, then you should might as well pay for it and see for yourself.
 
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