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benisfug

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I'm not too sure about that, remember how they cancelled Daisy in summer and the original FD rolling them into the next iteration.
Things weren't perfect but Helius was actually out in public communicating with people and the game had a pretty clear path forward. He only broke his extremely long silence recently to do damage control after that youtube video and the game part of the game has been cancelled and redesigned so many times I don't even know what it's supposed to be any more other than a gacha scam.
 

Nihil5320

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And clearly he's trying to damage control the shit out of this game so bad.
They are clearly concerned about the lack of subscriber growth. You can see PH has the lowest growth of any Patreon adult game dev in the top 30 or so , and he's about to get another drop in subs since it's month end and a lot of people still have their subs on the 31st.

They've also deleted everything even remotely negative on their Steam community pages. Disappointing if Steam allow this to continue as a new user visiting their page and getting herded to the Patreon is going to be completely misled about the development timeline, project goals, current state of the game etc.
 

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They've also deleted everything even remotely negative on their Steam community pages. Disappointing if Steam allow this to continue as a new user visiting their page and getting herded to the Patreon is going to be completely misled about the development timeline, project goals, current state of the game etc.
It's been discussed before. Steam won't do anything about it. Multiple people reported their gross abuse of power and the only response was "We allow developers to police their own communities." So yeah. They will continue to delete criticism and negative posts, ban users for absolutely no reason while leaving only the paid shills and literal mental cases that think this project is a success.

It's a losing battle on the consumer's side. Not much we can do ourselves. Thankfully this game is getting some negative spotlight from content creators and adult game sites. Every little bit helps and it's clearly hurting the scam in the long run.

Fight the good fight my brothers!!
 

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Man, just imagine.
You'd have a few girls going around doing x y z, you could ask them for some intimacy. Sometimes they'd agree, sometimes they'd say later, all depending on how you act when they sometimes reject you and how well you please them during sexy time.
You could add more places and animations to said virtual sandbox, it's yours to build the way a dev would animate and build a map.
Kinda sounds like a non-shitty version of AI Shoujo
 

HardcoreCuddler

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Kinda sounds like a non-shitty version of AI Shoujo
yea pretty much. Man that game sounded so good the first time I found it but GOD it was so shit.
The fucking building components wouldn't fit together properly no matter what you did lol, and there are certain areas of the maps where FPS drops by like 70% for absolutely no reason at all.
Nevermind the extremely infuriating moans that drove me fucking nuts.
Oh yea and none of the girls' mechanics worked properly. I think I stopped playing because the one girl I had just slept all daay and I couldn't stop her no matter how full her stats were XD Absolute trash of a game.
 
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Nihil5320

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yea pretty much. Man that game sounded so good the first time I found it but GOD it was so shit.
The fucking building components wouldn't fit together properly no matter what you did lol, and there are certain areas of the maps where FPS drops by like 70% for absolutely no reason at all.
Nevermind the extremely infuriating moans that drove me fucking nuts.
Oh yea and none of the girls' mechanics worked properly. I think I stopped playing because the one girl I had just slept all daay and I couldn't stop her no matter how full her stats were XD Absolute trash of a game.
The concept was pretty good but yeah the implementation was about what you would expect. AI in games has something of a tendency to turn into spaghetti code so you either end up with bugs or very limited and basic behaviour. Or both.

I'd love to see a game built on the same concept (even a non-porn game) that really went all out. Epic introduced learning agents into Unreal recently too which should make this easier, so instead of using behaviour trees you could train a DNN based model to optimize for certain goals with reinforcement learning. You could do this before but this definitely lowers the bar to entry, although it still comes with downsides like the need to retrain models and difficulties in modifying/explaining behaviours.

Combine it with stuff like conversational AI and physics based animation and you could end up with, at the very least, a fairly awesome (if janky) tech demo. The trick there would be mapping the LLMs output to actual in game actions and coming up with a reward function that can get your behaviour model to pick up basic actions then develop them into achieving more complex goals.

Kind of makes me wish I'd done game dev as it would be an amazing project, plus it would be fucking hilarious if the first title to actually implement some of these approaches was a porn game.
 

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The concept was pretty good but yeah the implementation was about what you would expect. AI in games has something of a tendency to turn into spaghetti code so you either end up with bugs or very limited and basic behaviour. Or both.

I'd love to see a game built on the same concept (even a non-porn game) that really went all out. Epic introduced learning agents into Unreal recently too which should make this easier, so instead of using behaviour trees you could train a DNN based model to optimize for certain goals with reinforcement learning. You could do this before but this definitely lowers the bar to entry, although it still comes with downsides like the need to retrain models and difficulties in modifying/explaining behaviours.

Combine it with stuff like conversational AI and physics based animation and you could end up with, at the very least, a fairly awesome (if janky) tech demo. The trick there would be mapping the LLMs output to actual in game actions and coming up with a reward function that can get your behaviour model to pick up basic actions then develop them into achieving more complex goals.

Kind of makes me wish I'd done game dev as it would be an amazing project, plus it would be fucking hilarious if the first title to actually implement some of these approaches was a porn game.
Actual AI AI would be interesting in games but I feel like that still far off...AI's are barely able to respond to extremely specific requests right not, let alone being able to interact with a player which may want a thousand things.
I really believe decision / behaviour trees are still the way to go and can be implemented properly with some care and proper separation, but it takes more skill than is usually available to do that...People that can implement that kind of thing cleanly don't seem to be working game dev jobs unfortunately...
 
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Nihil5320

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Actual AI AI would be interesting in games but I feel like that still far off...AI's are barely able to respond to extremely specific requests right not, let alone being able to interact with a player which may want a thousand things.
I really believe decision / behaviour trees are still the way to go and can be implemented properly with some care and proper separation, but it takes more skill than is usually available to do that...People that can implement that kind of thing cleanly don't seem to be working game dev jobs unfortunately...
It's not as far off as you think. Getting an agent to respond to specific requests is a bit tricky, as mentioned above matching an LLMs output to actual actions is not always straight forward, but you can mitigate this to some extent by very strictly limiting the dialogue flow and available actions. for example is a service recently announced for exactly this and their dialogue manager will do stuff like trigger new quests based on keywords, which is a fairly basic approach, but the application could additionally run sentiment analysis on the output (and/or user input) to only trigger events in a given context.

It's the same with behaviour trees. You aren't going to get a completely free ranging agent capable of doing absolutely anything in an environment but one making higher level decisions like what to do or where to move to? That's arguably easier to achieve with ML these days than a complex behaviour tree, and even in environments with a very large action space you can use parameterized actions or action masking to keep things reasonable. Setting up the training environment and reward function is the hard part but once you've got that the model can figure out all the really finicky bits.

Finally layer on to generate animation dynamically in situations that require it, perhaps dodging items or traversing obstacles, and you can end up with a pretty convincing facsimile of a genuinely intelligent agent even if it is perhaps more limited than the sci-fi fever dreams some are expecting when they see the word "AI."

That said I work with ML, in fintech specifically, and your last comment is probably on point. This is changing though as more and more universities introduce machine learning modules, better and easier to use libraries become available etc. Obviously we almost certainly won't see this stuff first in porn games but it wouldn't surprise me if indie devs are quicker to test it out than larger firms.
 

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yea pretty much. Man that game sounded so good the first time I found it but GOD it was so shit.
The fucking building components wouldn't fit together properly no matter what you did lol, and there are certain areas of the maps where FPS drops by like 70% for absolutely no reason at all.
Nevermind the extremely infuriating moans that drove me fucking nuts.
Oh yea and none of the girls' mechanics worked properly. I think I stopped playing because the one girl I had just slept all daay and I couldn't stop her no matter how full her stats were XD Absolute trash of a game.
It's not so bad modded, but that's usually how Illusion games are in general. Base game is okay, modded is superior.
 

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They are clearly concerned about the lack of subscriber growth.
It's pretty pathetic that their primary concern at this point is still subscriber growth. They've had minimum 14k+ monthly subs for over 2 years now. Several millions of dollars in funding and still no full release, previews of any actual content, or even a roadmap. Only a tech demo that has hardly any more content than 0.34 released 2 years ago.
Somehow all that money wasn't enough it seems. I'm certain they would just abandon the game if the current trend continues and sub counts tank. I guess we're supposed to fund Project Helius's entire development cost until they milk out even more profit post-release, if this game ever releases.
 

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It's not so bad modded, but that's usually how Illusion games are in general. Base game is okay, modded is superior.
I mean yea, but are there mods / plugins / whatever that make the actual game part of AI any better? (ignoring the studio, that's basicaly the same as HS2 afaik)
I myself don't know any mods that make AI's game better but I'd like to know if you do, because I may just give it another crack
 
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benisfug

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it always drops on payday for everyone, no?
If you look at their graph they used to have monthly growth to offset the drop. It was trending down but only by a couple hundred month to month. Now there's no growth, it's just a flat line and a straight drop of 1k-ish subs.
 
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I mean yea, but are there mods / plugins / whatever that make the actual game part of AI any better? (ignoring the studio, that's basicaly the same as HS2 afaik)
I myself don't know any mods that make AI's game better but I'd like to know if you do, because I may just give it another crack
Last I had AI Shoujo installed I was just using the repack IIRC. There were some mods included in the repack that made the building a little more enjoyable like removing building placement restrictions, free form building or snapping things into place(iirc), and lessening material costs/removing material costs. There were other mods that made personalities more varied IIRC, but none that drastically changed gameplay. I know there was a mod that add survival elements with the girls needing to eat/drink/sleep, pregancy(the girl temporarily leaves the island after being pregnant for some time), but other than that not too many gameplay altering mods I remember atm. I remember I just turned on the survival mod and increased the number of girls that could be spawned at once and just played it like a management game. Building a house with interactable stuff for the girls to mess around with or to interact with each other and making food sources, that kind of thing.
 
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HardcoreCuddler

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Last I had AI Shoujo installed I was just using the repack IIRC. There were some mods included in the repack that made the building a little more enjoyable like removing building placement restrictions, free form building or snapping things into place(iirc), and lessening material costs/removing material costs. There were other mods that made personalities more varied IIRC, but none that drastically changed gameplay. I know there was a mod that add survival elements with the girls needing to eat/drink/sleep, pregancy(the girl temporarily leaves the island after being pregnant for some time), but other than that not too many gameplay altering mods I remember atm. I remember I just turned on the survival mod and increased the number of girls that could be spawned at once and just played it like a management game. Building a house with intractable stuff for the girls to mess around with or to interact with each other and making food sources, that kind of thing.
Ah okay, I had that stuff as well. Wasn't too enjoyable to me though...I only really wanted one single girl and she was just broken all the time. I remember being able to free place building blocks as well but my issue was they never fit together properly lol As in I couldn't get them to look good at all
 
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