I wonder if Project helius are they actually watching those over 700 pages and they will change their minds?
Unreal Engine Fallen Doll: Operation Lovecraft [v0.4.9 Cracked] [Project Helius]
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MaestreOfChaos This by the way is the definition of censoring though.
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They don't give a rat's ass about paying customers. What makes you think they're going to care what sailors of the seven seas say?
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Just watched the videos...I had no clue this is so serious. This is literally jail time material...
Even bigger shock is this game's position on Steam...
15K patreons...
They should change the name to Operation Amway or Operation SBF or...Operation cough*cough*cough*Epstein*cough*cough*cough*...
Even bigger shock is this game's position on Steam...
15K patreons...
They should change the name to Operation Amway or Operation SBF or...Operation cough*cough*cough*Epstein*cough*cough*cough*...
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Mind you, they come here from time to time to preemptively ban usernames and/or try to counter the negative trend. One of their yes men told us my username was banned there when I don't even have a Discord user under this alias
It's not that serious, that guy was seriously stretching by the time he got to that third video.
Like I'm 100% no fan of Helius, he's an incompetent dev and 95% of this project is just spit and tape holding together some purchased assets, but there's nothing to suggest there is or has ever been any such content in that Discord. Suggesting that they just don't moderate a channel is irresponsible but to equate it to explicitly permitting or encouraging child pornography is reprehensible clickbaiting by that YouTuber.
Right you're.
Normally i dont show up here anymore because all one can find is useless bickerung of butthurt ex-fanboys....
But since i was browsing the site anyway, i would like to give my 2 cents to that thing.
If you would shut down all sites on the internet that had ** posted on them by some idiot, the internet you know, wouldnt exist anymore. (that could actually be a good thing but thats not the point ,) )
Google, Bing, Instagramm, Facebook, Twitter, you name it, any imageboard any pornsite with upload content, any site with picture upload abillity will have had at some point in time some ** uploaded to them.
Google and bing were even the biggest sharer of ** at one point in time due to their unfiltered image searches....
also probably due to the fact that a lot of what is now illegal was legal around 20 years ago in regards of just nudity or posing.
That is just a fact.
Most sites have now upload filters installed and im sure Discord has something like that too.
As we are now in the dawn of AI CG a new challenge has arisen and upload filters that are based on hashes arent up to the task anymore and site will have to resort to ai filters themself... but those have to be trained themselve of course that will take time.
So there is bound to get some shit on your site, channel, board, chat, etc. that has to be cleared by mods.
Its pure malice and an lousy attempt at gaining clicks to spew filthy acusations of mass and wanted ** on any moderated discord channel, as all involved would incriminate themself.
If there were such a filthy thing going on mass and not moderated, im sure that Discord and authorities would/will take care of it.
Another example of the bullshit level of these vids, is his basis for proof that this a scam, which is also total bullshit.
His source is a butthurt translator, that claimed that there were no further text to translate so therefor there cant be further development progress, he isnt aware of.
That is complete bullshit!
Translations are more or less the last thing you do in game development and are not needed for any programming development stage.
The only input a game dev team might consider are technical issues like text boxes not big enough for text for example or if something doesent really makes sense in a language.
Most Game Studios just send excel files to professional translation services and then those texts get maybe some testing so is something isnt really fitting in the game context when translated purely text base things need fixing and talking.
So the translator source is therefor nothing but a butthurt fanboy that seeks revenge. As are most haters here that have spent more than they should have on this dumbster fire and have now buyers regret or are simps that just cant let loose.
Not that i wanna defend the Dev, the development is flawed and more of an amusement disaster to watch at this point.
But if something has less quality than project lovecraft, its those yt vids.
As for scam thing there is something like gamedevelopment hell and some games have very famously suffered from it and never delivered what was promised or teased. There really is no shortage of that but so is no shortage in sight of what fanboys dream up they get when they buy into these things and in what time frame and of course no risk of failing comes to their minds.
That said for the around 30 bucks one has to pay, everyone can decide themself if that is too much or not by buying into it or not. Noone has a gun at his temple and is pressured to pay more for this animation gallery and anyone that is paying for content that doesent exists and then is butthurt and cant let go that it doesent see the light of day should probably think about his own choices.
nuff said.
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I will just add to this that this doesn't take much time these days. I can train a simple CNN based classifier with >99% accuracy and virtually 0% false negative rate in a few minutes on a single workstation. Data prep is a little bit more involved to eliminate biases but it barely counts as a challenge if your main concern is identifying a single class.
Sites have accordingly been using this approach over (or more accurately in combination with) hashes for years. There is an issue with adversarial networks trained to mask images and mess with classification, see the University of Chicago's Nightshade as an example, but that's a whole different ball game.
I think this is a little disingenuous as well, not everybody paid for an animation gallery. The game was originally advertised as something completely different and even now any user that visits the Steam store page certainly isn't going to be expecting a F2P animation viewer from descriptions like this:
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This thread has offered me more enjoyment and entertainment than this "game" could have ever hoped to. Is there a Patrion to keep this going?
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Users on this thread like to express different opinions on how they view the game.
well if you find that the opinions of others amuses you, i am happy for you.
Everyone tends to think differently on how they view a game.Here is their patron page.
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Yeah you can train an ai incredible fast. That doesent mean that its going to be 100% giving you the result you want.
And Discord is using some kind of ai to detect naughty stuff anyway and it works which one can see when you have your content filter on and cant see or recieve things. That doesent mean that it can 100% pick a legal from a borderline legal to an illegal ai pic off a hald naked woman.
And problem with training an ai for detecting illegal material is that you will have to feed it illegal material to begin with, which is illegal to possess if your not part of the authorities
So no not everyone can just make an ai filter for illegal content as the production of one would incrimminate you.
As for the Content the game promised and what is delivered there are about 3 major components im aware of.
1st group are the users that never wanted project lovecraft but paid for only fallen doll as single player game.
I dont know the promised scope of that game but it probably was a bit better than what was delivered in that last client for that project. So i feel for them but you cant really go back now and i think a big part of that group has come to terms which the new direction or left and wont look back anymore.
And that group isnt really in the pay 27 dollars for the beta group as they never paid for the lovecraft but for the fallen doll game.
2nd group are the ones that came for Gala. This is the group that i have to admit i dont give a shit about as gala will now come to the game as she is signed off on steam terms. Which wont make all of that group happy but noone sane cares about that or them. imo she was helios biggest idiocracy of this project to begin with.
3rd group is the one that wants sfw gameplay.
That can actually happen or not? Who knows at this point?
He said he tried and failed so far to make something good ... that doesent mean that hes not trying again or that he never tried.
And there are as i mentioned a lot of game out there that failed at delivering promises or are still in development with no end in sight.
I personally would be very surprised if that sfw part will make people happy tho if it ever comes into fruition and that is just based on the observation that all people have to base their expections on are some rumors and vague descriptions people can interpreted a lot into it and people always imagine more than what is brought to the table at the end.
And i dont want to defend it as a 100% not scam i wanted to put out that the youtubers 100% proof that he cited in the second vid was just horseshit.
The source was a sore looser that was seeked and gained revenge.
And the youtuber gained some clicks and those vids got a shitton more clicks than anything else hes making, so it worked.
(Edit add: I wouldnt be too suprised if those vids brought actually more people into helios patreon. As in even bad press is press).
I also have to admit that i think i never watched part 3 of that series as i had enough seen by part 2
And i dont care what that guy puts out since hes really talking out of his ass 90% of his time or picks a little fight with some random guy from a discord.I give you my 2cents whats going on with this shitshow of a game.
I think it is a given that helios is a bit of a weirdo compared to the general populous to being with for even doing a game like this and as one can see on the lovecraft part for the content of it.
Hes a liar (edit add: imo) and was overselling himself to begin with. The whole AAA industry Dev class shit when all you can find about him is some side project of also some translations or something of some shitgame noone in the west have heard or cared off. Not that all professional are known but he really has some serious dev flaws and i highly doubt you can survive in any company having these for more than 6 months.
Hes definetly not a good programmer and has some serious flaws when it comes to project management and quality/shit being bugfree.
Hes definetly not born to be a community manager or to handle one.
But the Discord wasent his to begin with so that whole thing isnt really his fault or was his problem to handle, or at least it wasent until a few month back. I guess hes now more involved or at least has the key to the Discord and therefor the responsibillity i guess. But im not a 100% on that could still be the original creater of that discord chan that holds the key to that.
He has a proven track record of switching from important dev matters to unimportant ones or of poor decision making in general. Just mention here for good measure some breast milk teasing on discord he did when that would have been the last thing anyone sane would have worked on at that point in time. But i guess he took a page of elons book and is now always seelling the next big thing to keep intrest and hopes up. Or take the whole fiasco of taking the game for a month offline after last years big refactoring/
And there are of course other things like the never to be realised motion capturing that was promised / teased.
You can still find some shitty youtube vid of his he probably produced via some playstation cam hack of some other low effort means as what is shown there seems to be easily achievable at home at low cost and no studio is needed.
AS for development time frames. Well that one is really hard to have a take on as there are quite a lot of factors that goes into that. For one the Skill of the Dev handling the engine and the management, which we have established isnt that great in both parts. So he wastes a lot of time and he does makes a shitton of errors Or at least he has a proven track record of being super sloppy and doesent give a shit what he presents to his customers. That part really is just an insult at times.
I would not tell anyone to buy into this if they cant loose 30 bucks for some drama and fap animations and not being salty about it if nothing else will ever come of this
edit: add so i think its pretty save to say that hes not the most trustworthy dev out there
If something is then a scam or not is at this point in time more of an interpretion of scam and at which point in time you bought into this shitshow and what your expectiotions are.
Same could be said about something like star citizen a project that is also called a scam by a large portion of its commnunity and still loved by the other.
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Yeah I was just highlighting that it's not difficult and the approach has been in widespread use for years, as your original comment seemed to suggest that it was something we're only now transitioning to. Imagenet was a decade ago now. ML isn't a new approach, especially for computer vision. It's just the media attention around generative models that is recent.Yeah you can train an ai incredible fast. That doesent mean that its going to be 100% giving you the result you want.
And Discord is using some kind of ai to detect naughty stuff anyway and it works which one can see when you have your content filter on and cant see or recieve things. That doesent mean that it can 100% pick a legal from a borderline legal to an illegal ai pic off a hald naked woman.
And problem with training an ai for detecting illegal material is that you will have to feed it illegal material to begin with, which is illegal to possess if your not part of the authorities
So no not everyone can just make an ai filter for illegal content as the production of one would incrimminate you.
As for your last comment the typical approach is to just build two classifiers. One to classify pornographic content, which most platforms need anyway, and an additional one to put age of subjects in a range. Both types of classifier can be trained very easily or you can just download the weights for a model online (there are quite a few).
As an aside I don't think anybody ever wanted SFW gameplay. They wanted a NSFW game with a functional gameplay loop incorporating adult content.
Helius' proposal to split the game into NSFW and SFW was weird as fuck to say the least and I don't think any but the hardest superfans/Helius alt accounts had anything positive to say about it.
Your right about the ai part.
I was thinking about whole picture use for training and didnt had in mind that you can train on partial components and then merge those results.
Kind of a brainfart on my part and due to the fact that its not my area of expertise in training ai myself.
But i can see that training on just faces as identifier and then on nude content and merge those identifiers will most likely give you a pretty good hit chance of illegal content.
There is still a small amount of pics that may make it thru to that kind of filter at least for now.
Discord at least has a filter that can detect nudity and it may also include a illegal filter but thats not bulletproof.
Otherwise we wouldnt even have to talk about it or heard of it.
As for the sfw gameplay.... yeah there are people out there waiting on it or at least constantly calling it out not come to fruition.
There is of course a 4th group when it comes to this board and that is the group that is unhappy cause the cant get new content for free anymore. But i really dont think its worth much talking about as that is another game ... as in devs try to protect and pirates try to get stuff for free.
In the end, there really isnt much to play anyway and you may watch a pornhub video of the game instead and may get a better fap out of it than actually playing the good damn game at this point.
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I can't say whether I wanted it or not because they never actually made it or revealed any info about it other than the most basic concepts. I know it was supposed to be a turn based tactical RPG, the girls were involved somehow, and I think it was supposed to be the main progression system before they did a 180 into gacha fomo grinding. What little I know about it still sounds better than what we ended up getting though.
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Meta-complaining. You must have skipped most of the thread (which is understandable), since you also didn't add anything to the discussion that we haven't said several times before.
I guess the average online interaction is so hollow that now it's baffling when someone expresses an opinion with actual arguments to back it up.
Why not ask the vendor themselves instead of some backwater pirate forum?
Wrong again and this is a perfect example of why it's so hard to have a discussion these days, people will try to play and bend words to fit whatever their narrative is:
Scam (verb) = to cheat somebody in order to get something, especially money, from them.
It is safe to say Scamlius has repeatedly incurred in lies, promises, silence, and doing whatever they please instead of what they promised to do, to gain supporters. Ergo, this is a scam. #alwayshasbeen
As with the other guy, I'd also tell you to take your own advice, since half of your argument was meta-complaining.
I'd say this is one of the few places where you can get somewhat unbiased reviews. Steam has none since they haven't officially launched, Steam discussions are Scamlius-controlled, same for their Discord. From the Ye's and No's in this thread people can get a general idea of where they are putting their money.
Add to your personal notes a fifth group, people that are sticking around for the show
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Since it would be work for mods to change this from post to reply i edited this to clarify.
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I dont think its ok to change wording in a quote.
That is something one shouldnt do in quotation marks.
I would like you to edit this and put either the original text there or delete this.
And put your interpretion under it.
I have nothing against your interpretation tho, as i see it as valuabe feedback and gives me reflection of my words, which indeed may have been a bit on the harsh side and i always have to remind myself that written text and wording sometimes cut deeper or is more hurting than one intends.
It was/is not my intend to shut this discussion down or convince people of one side or the other.
I stated my reason why i dont come here very often.
And i didnt called people stupid, called em butthurt. Which i should have phrased just as "hurt" in hindsight.
I added the fanboys part, cause i see fans often as more vulnerable of being hurt and ending in frustration when they dont get what they expected or want.
As for the scamming:
I tried to put this in words when i said " If something is then a scam or not is at this point in time more of an interpretion of scam "
thanks to my limited english its not 100% what i think about this or what i really meant.
I was/am more trying to say, i hope this is clearer, that the lines of where a scam begins, or a project turns out to be scam or if it was intended to be a scam are a matter of facts and or personal interpretation and therefor where the line is if someone identifies something as a scam for themself or not. And this is clearly diffrent for people.
Just look at something like star citizen and how divided the discussions about that project are, if it is a scam or not.
When it comes to Fallen Doll now Lovecraft project the facts are what you can see on the outside, but there are no trustworthy insider facts to base an opinion on.
Imo as i stated the translator wasent in a position to make a statement of further development based on the text he had to work on.
Discord Steam mod related stuff and Public relations communications are also a bit of a thing themself.
There was that modder that was supposedly joining the project and stated there was more than i thought or something. But how trustworthy is that?
Its all rumors from where i stand.
Some screenshots and the like one can see on old patreon posts are also more or less useless to see the current stage or stages or development for diffrent game modes.
That leaves us with the facts we can see and got and what the project was and has become in its diffrent stages and its creators behaviour and output.
And the interpretation of each and everyone of us of what we have witnessed or got.
And that also differs for people very much due to the fact that people joined this at diffrent points in time and with diffrent expectations.
I could produce a probably even longer text about how i see this all went down and how i see things but the text is already again in the tldr region and therefor i stop myself here.. and thats by the way why i said "nuff said"..
not to shut people up ... but to shut myself up
nuff said for now from me
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but i edited outside in a textdocument and then posted in as post
Since it would be work for mods to change this from post to reply i edited this to clarify.
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I dont think its ok to change wording in a quote.
That is something one shouldnt do in quotation marks.
I would like you to edit this and put either the original text there or delete this.
And put your interpretion under it.
I have nothing against your interpretation tho, as i see it as valuabe feedback and gives me reflection of my words, which indeed may have been a bit on the harsh side and i always have to remind myself that written text and wording sometimes cut deeper or is more hurting than one intends.
It was/is not my intend to shut this discussion down or convince people of one side or the other.
I stated my reason why i dont come here very often.
And i didnt called people stupid, called em butthurt. Which i should have phrased just as "hurt" in hindsight.
I added the fanboys part, cause i see fans often as more vulnerable of being hurt and ending in frustration when they dont get what they expected or want.
As for the scamming:
I tried to put this in words when i said " If something is then a scam or not is at this point in time more of an interpretion of scam "
thanks to my limited english its not 100% what i think about this or what i really meant.
I was/am more trying to say, i hope this is clearer, that the lines of where a scam begins, or a project turns out to be scam or if it was intended to be a scam are a matter of facts and or personal interpretation and therefor where the line is if someone identifies something as a scam for themself or not. And this is clearly diffrent for people.
Just look at something like star citizen and how divided the discussions about that project are, if it is a scam or not.
When it comes to Fallen Doll now Lovecraft project the facts are what you can see on the outside, but there are no trustworthy insider facts to base an opinion on.
Imo as i stated the translator wasent in a position to make a statement of further development based on the text he had to work on.
Discord Steam mod related stuff and Public relations communications are also a bit of a thing themself.
There was that modder that was supposedly joining the project and stated there was more than i thought or something. But how trustworthy is that?
Its all rumors from where i stand.
Some screenshots and the like one can see on old patreon posts are also more or less useless to see the current stage or stages or development for diffrent game modes.
That leaves us with the facts we can see and got and what the project was and has become in its diffrent stages and its creators behaviour and output.
And the interpretation of each and everyone of us of what we have witnessed or got.
And that also differs for people very much due to the fact that people joined this at diffrent points in time and with diffrent expectations.
I could produce a probably even longer text about how i see this all went down and how i see things but the text is already again in the tldr region and therefor i stop myself here.. and thats by the way why i said "nuff said"..
not to shut people up ... but to shut myself up
nuff said for now from me