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The "Activate extra" option doesn't let me download the.rpy files, it opens another window with code and one of the first two links is deleted.
 

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When did Julia use Monica for her own nefarious reason? or Betty who Monica went to usurp giving Betty a reason to not like Monica? Or Dick who Monica treated like Crap?

You have a valid point for maybe Fred, Marcus, Steve and Biff.

But everyone else were not the antagonist in what is happening with Monica. So Monica being a Bitch to Julia and using her to gain something from it HAS NOTHING to do with what Steve did to her.

Your point is saying everyone deserves her attitude when it doesn't. And even if she was done wrong, not having the character grow from acknowledging her behavior is also bad. Only time was with Dick who basically went against her when all he wanted was to be treated with respect even if he was a simp.

Being a Nobody doesn't give justification to treat people who are not involved like crap or the person who is trying to help you.
Don't pretend you don't know how. Throughout the game, Julia blatantly tries to take advantage of Monica. Recklessly throws tantrums to force Monica to have sex with her, including humiliating Monica. (Toilet scene and more). Julia's problem is that she's not very smart and Monica sees through all these attempts to use her, yet Julia keeps doing it.

Here is the full list of characters and almost all of them (except for the very unimportant ones) are trying to use Monica.

And among them Monica has almost no real friends (except for the already mentioned Claire and maybe Melanie). Monica's secretary is also very nice to her, but that doesn't make much difference. The only people in this game who don't try to take advantage of Monica are perhaps only irrelevant characters like bank clerks.

I could list every single person who has tried (and at times unsuccessfully) to take advantage of Monica throughout the game, with arguments and examples of such behaviour, but it would be the size of an article in the New York Times.

Betty is an arrogant impostor who, together with Ralph, has taken over Monica's property and throughout most of the game has tried to boss Monica around, humiliate and dominate her. Ralph is an old fart who didn't mind getting in Monica's pants and cheating on Betty. But both of them are Monica's property grabbers, so they are a priori her enemies.


I do not justify Monica's bitchiness, however, unlike everyone else, she fights for her life and her freedom
...And fat bastard Dick just dumped Monica, trading her for two-faced Victoria, so don't need me to defend him here...

In the 1st episode (I remember it well) even if you make a mistake with the 1st single choice (i.e. Monica will be as polite as possible, won't be rude to Dick, etc., but somewhere will answer wrong ‘as it should be’) and that's it. This automatically leads to a final game where Dick throws Monica to the wolves.


But okay, let's go over some of the characters a little more.


Marcus is hardly the game's main antagonist, making Monica lose everything. Steve is a cheeky two-faced slimeball who framed Monica and subsequently stole all her financial assets. The list of his sins is long. That's why it's easier to shoot him.

Phillip - a scary man with ties to the Farmers, tries to use Monica as his personal whore, and later, as a willing slave.

Biff is a scumbag who illegally (with the permission of the Farmers++ conspirators) took possession of Monica's Fashion Magazine and bullied/blackmailed/e.t.c her throughout episodes 2 and 3 until he got his arse kicked by her (hopefully for good).

Fred is a lustful bastard who tries to use Monica for his own ends throughout the game by stalking her and setting her up to do inappropriate things, such as imposing a disenfranchised Monica on Julia as an ‘employee’ whose whims Monica is forced to fulfil the entire game (in exchange for ghostly promises of help with her papers/passport).

Victoria is a two-faced, conniving bitch who dirtily exploits and humiliates Monica (and Melanie) throughout the game. Works for Phillip.

Investors (Campbell and others) seek to get into Monica's trousers in an attempt to get reciprocity. Before doing so, they collectively (and illegally) seize shares in Fashion Magazine (Biff blackmails and threatens Monica into pursuing this outcome). Regularly humiliate Monica in her office, forcing her to wear lewd outfits, participate in totally lewd and lascivious photo shoots, and have sex with them.

So don't give me any more tales of "evil Monica"...I would see how you would behave in her shoes when everyone around you is trying to fuck you, enslave you, take advantage of you or even send you to a farm where you will be fucked by all sorts of animals and cattle...I wonder if you would be friendly to these people in that situation? I very much doubt it.
 
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Don't pretend you don't know how. Throughout the game, Julia blatantly tries to take advantage of Monica. Recklessly throws tantrums to force Monica to have sex with her, including humiliating Monica. (Toilet scene and more). Julia's problem is that she's not very smart and Monica sees through all these attempts to use her, yet Julia keeps doing it.

Here is the full list of characters and almost all of them (except for the very unimportant ones) are trying to use Monica.

And among them Monica has almost no real friends (except for the already mentioned Claire and maybe Melanie). Monica's secretary is also very nice to her, but that doesn't make much difference.

Betty is an arrogant impostor who, together with Ralph, has taken over Monica's property and throughout most of the game has tried to boss Monica around, humiliate and dominate her. Ralph is an old fart who didn't mind getting in Monica's pants and cheating on Betty. But both of them are Monica's property grabbers, so they are a priori her enemies.

The only people in this game who don't try to take advantage of Monica are perhaps only irrelevant characters like bank clerks.
I could list every single person who has tried (and at times unsuccessfully) to take advantage of Monica throughout the game, with arguments and examples of such behaviour, but it would be the size of an article in the New York Times.

I do not justify Monica's bitchiness, however, unlike everyone else, she fights for her life and her freedom...And fat bastard Dick just dumped Monica, trading her for two-faced Victoria, so don't need me to defend him here...

In the 1st episode (I remember it well) even if you make a mistake with the 1st single choice (i.e. Monica will be as polite as possible, won't be rude to Dick, etc., but somewhere will answer wrong ‘as it should be’) and that's it. This automatically leads to a final game where Dick throws Monica to the wolves.


But okay, let's go over some of the characters a little more.


Marcus is hardly the game's goaive antagonist, making Monica lose everything. Steve is a cheeky two-faced slimeball who framed Monica and subsequently stole all her financial assets. The list of his sins is long. That's why it's easier to shoot him.

Phillip - a scary man with ties to the Farmers, tries to use Monica as his personal whore, and later, as a willing slave.

Biff is a scumbag who illegally (with the permission of the Farmers++ conspirators) took possession of Monica's Fashion Magazine and bullied/blackmailed/e.t.c her throughout episodes 2 and 3 until he got his arse kicked by her (hopefully for good).

Fred is a lustful bastard who tries to use Monica for his own ends throughout the game by stalking her and setting her up to do inappropriate things, such as imposing a disenfranchised Monica on Julia as an ‘employee’ whose whims Monica is forced to fulfil the entire game (in exchange for ghostly promises of help with her papers/passport).

Victoria is a two-faced, conniving bitch who dirtily exploits and humiliates Monica (and Melanie) throughout the game. Works for Phillip.

Investors (Campbell and others) seek to get into Monica's trousers in an attempt to get reciprocity. Before doing so, they collectively (and illegally) seize shares in Fashion Magazine (Biff blackmails and threatens Monica into pursuing this outcome). Regularly humiliate Monica in her office, forcing her to wear lewd outfits, participate in totally lewd and lascivious photo shoots, and have sex with them.

So don't give me any more tales of "evil Monica"...I would see how you would behave in her shoes when everyone around you is trying to fuck you, enslave you, take advantage of you or even send you to a farm where you will be fucked by all sorts of animals and cattle...I wonder if you would be friendly to these people in that situation? I very much doubt it.

Fully ignoring that I agree with the ACTUAL antagonist and yet you still list them is insulting because it shows you didn't read anything I said. I will not talk about the actual people who are after her because I already stated and you ignored.

Let me fully explain to you why Monicas attitude towards specific individuals is wrong.

Julia: Julia was a maid for Monica in which you can treat her wrong or right, however even with Julia having a crush on Monica there is nothing there. Afterwards Monica is set to flirt with Julia because of FRED. This means Julia is the victim being played with emotionally and Physically with Monicas antics to please Fred. If they become a couple, Julia wants PROOF that Monica actually wants to be with her, I don't see no manipulation or malice or antagonistic behavior from wanting your partner to show affection sexually and emotionally. Julia is actually a victim of Monica, using her to have an advantage with home and using her for her uncle for the documentation.

Betty/Ralph: These individuals acquired the house fair and square from the bank, it had nothing to do with Monica and they did not know who she was. Regardless if Ralph is a pervert, he wouldn't cheat if Monica doesn't initiate because Ralph wants affection from someone who wants him and not his money. It also does not matter if Ralph knows Steve because Ralph did nothing to Monica and has no involvement with her downfall. Betty is Ralphs wife, being spiteful and entitled to want her old property back is why Monica went after ralph to take things away even if betty was a bitch. Monica manipulated her way in and took back what wasn't hers in the first place. Once the Bank takes your stuff it is no longe yours, her entitlement that it is hers is what lead to the events.

Hostel Manager: You went to the Hostel and promised money, lying to the manager then robbed someones clothing. Since you are poor, that is why the Manager used that leverage to take advantage. It was monicas fault and again, had nothing to do with the Manager if Monica was able to pay or show actual respect.

Dick: Dick is a set outcome for the game to progress, but that is why my initial statement of her character growing needs to be a thing. Even if you play nice you are still a bitch, and if you play bitch you are still a bitch. Insulting Dick or not, Monica treats him badly and like a money bag which after the events he states those facts. Monica has no respect and lost Dicks who is the only one who went out of his way top try and help with 0 connection to the Farmers or the people who went for her downfall.


Her attitude is misplaced towards people who don't deserve it, so you trying to defend it by showing examples of those who actuyally are antagonist makes no sense to my point. She has no growth, even towards people who have no involvement with her until she puts herself in their life.

So don't bring up a villain when I am talking about civilians.
 
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Fully ignoring that I agree with the ACTUAL antagonist and yet you still list them is insulting because it shows you didn't read anything I said. I will not talk about the actual people who are after her because I already stated and you ignored.

So don't bring up a villain when I am talking about civilians.
They are all getting pretty soft now in the later chapters, probably something to do with that big 'consent must be obvious and frequent' purge patreon did along with what feels like half the game locked into the extras. Things like betty isnt a rival you can 'best' and then do the controlling etc. Whilst their are some scenes characters dont really seem to have repercussions to choices like they used to.
 

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But about Steve - he`s about making money over another things. Nice Monica`s pussy? Lets make money from it.
But yes - this ending breaks a lot - Steve`s connection with farmers. he wouldn`t hide her if he connects with them.
Steve is a serious businessman. He could have made much more money from Monica than from just turning her into a nameless escort girl.

More than that back in Ep.1 there was that funny banter between Monica and Steve where she threatened him that he would suck a dog's dick if he lied.
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That was like an important choice - when you start Ep.3 with no saves you have to choose it again. So, Decent Monkey certainly saved some variable to be used later. I thought it would have consequences.

For example, when Monica lied to him in this episode, Steve could have brought a dog into the office and say something like: "Do you remember what you said to me back then? Now, it is time for you to pay for your words and your lies."

All right, such content with animals is against Patreon rules. But Decent Monkey might not have showed anything. Monica could have just screamed, then the black screen, and we hear her say: "You will pay for that, Steve!" and then sucking sounds. That is all. At least it would have been funny and made that choice matter.

Or for example, Steve might not make Monica suck dog's dick, but said something like: "All right, I'm joking". And then force Monica to put on a dog's costume (similar to the one in Marcus' branch) with a huge butt plug up her ass in the shape of a dog's dick and fuck her there in his office.

That would be something. It would be unusual. But the current ending has nothing. Just a couple of dull scenes.
 
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Fully ignoring that I agree with the ACTUAL antagonist and yet you still list them is insulting because it shows you didn't read anything I said. I will not talk about the actual people who are after her because I already stated and you ignored.

Let me fully explain to you why Monicas attitude towards specific individuals is wrong.

Julia: Julia was a maid for Monica in which you can treat her wrong or right, however even with Julia having a crush on Monica there is nothing there. Afterwards Monica is set to flirt with Julia because of FRED. This means Julia is the victim being played with emotionally and Physically with Monicas antics to please Fred. If they become a couple, Julia wants PROOF that Monica actually wants to be with her, I don't see no manipulation or malice or antagonistic behavior from wanting your partner to show affection sexually and emotionally. Julia is actually a victim of Monica, using her to have an advantage with home and using her for her uncle for the documentation.

Betty/Ralph: These individuals acquired the house fair and square from the bank, it had nothing to do with Monica and they did not know who she was. Regardless if Ralph is a pervert, he wouldn't cheat if Monica doesn't initiate because Ralph wants affection from someone who wants him and not his money. It also does not matter if Ralph knows Steve because Ralph did nothing to Monica and has no involvement with her downfall. Betty is Ralphs wife, being spiteful and entitled to want her old property back is why Monica went after ralph to take things away even if betty was a bitch. Monica manipulated her way in and took back what wasn't hers in the first place. Once the Bank takes your stuff it is no longe yours, her entitlement that it is hers is what lead to the events.

Hostel Manager: You went to the Hostel and promised money, lying to the manager then robbed someones clothing. Since you are poor, that is why the Manager used that leverage to take advantage. It was monicas fault and again, had nothing to do with the Manager if Monica was able to pay or show actual respect.

Dick: Dick is a set outcome for the game to progress, but that is why my initial statement of her character growing needs to be a thing. Even if you play nice you are still a bitch, and if you play bitch you are still a bitch. Insulting Dick or not, Monica treats him badly and like a money bag which after the events he states those facts. Monica has no respect and lost Dicks who is the only one who went out of his way top try and help with 0 connection to the Farmers or the people who went for her downfall.


Her attitude is misplaced towards people who don't deserve it, so you trying to defend it by showing examples of those who actuyally are antagonist makes no sense to my point. She has no growth, even towards people who have no involvement with her until she puts herself in their life.

So don't bring up a villain when I am talking about civilians.
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any last v4.00 save game? my save cant be loaded :(
Alternatively, you can use the save from Ep4v5 (FAQ, 1.5.3) and then quickly rewind the content to the end of V6 (with Ctrl). If Ostego shares the full save for Ep4v6 this time, I'll add a link to it in the FAQ.
 
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Btw from VIP ending seems that Steve have no connections with Farmers.
I doubt it. Just because we weren't revealed the full extent of the conspiracy in the finale of a minor storyline (VIP Escort) doesn't mean Steve isn't involved in the conspiracy against Monica. In any case, we have his direct speech (in Ep2 or 3) where he honestly admits that powerful people put him in charge of Monica's financial assets. Guess who those people are.I guess we will find out everything in the final of the main storyline (Office).
 
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I doubt it. Just because we weren't revealed the full extent of the conspiracy in the finale of a minor storyline (VIP Escort) doesn't mean Steve isn't involved in the conspiracy against Monica. In any case, we have his direct speech (in Ep2 or 3) where he honestly admits that powerful people put him in charge of Monica's financial assets. Guess who those people are.I guess we will find out everything in the final of the main storyline (Office).
here he also mentioned them - but from side that he`s afraid of them and don`t wanna have any deals with them.
in fact he only knew that they are interested in Monica.
 
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here he also mentioned them - but from side that he`s afraid of them and don`t wanna have any deals with them.
in fact he only knew that they are interested in Monica.
But is that really the case? Especially knowing Steve's rotten and deceitful nature. I'm not so sure.

Plus, we're left with things that suggest Steve is somehow involved in the conspiracy (or at least obediently doing what the Farmers tell him to do, i.e. still involved). Here's an example. Even Monica is beginning to wonder about this (5000$). Why does DM deliberately emphasize it if it doesn't make any sense?
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I think this rabbit hole is too deep, and the scope of the conspiracy all the more so.:illuminati:
 
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Is it just me, or are the characters hotter in this game as opposed to the others? The other games models seem weird, like dysmorphic almost? Maybe it's just me
DM is a very professional (quite like Fred, haha) dev, so yeah, I guess you're right. A lot of the models here actually look more lifelike and sexier than in a lot of other 3DCG games. That's not to say that everyone but the DM is a crooked inept, haha, but I'm just saying that FB has its own special visual charm that no other game has.

Perhaps the secret lies in the fact that DM, in addition to DAZ3D uses tools like Adobe LightRoom (for post-processing renders) and, probably, 3Ds Max. All this combined makes the picture/3Dmodels so beautiful and natural.
 
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Steve is a serious businessman. He could have made much more money from Monica than from just turning her into a nameless escort girl.

More than that back in Ep.1 there was that funny banter between Monica and Steve where she threatened him that he would suck a dog's dick if he lied.
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That was like an important choice - when you start Ep.3 with no saves you have to choose it again. So, Decent Monkey certainly saved some variable to be used later. I thought it would have consequences.

For example, when Monica lied to him in this episode, Steve could have brought a dog into the office and say something like: "Do you remember what you said to me back then? Now, it is time for you to pay for your words and your lies."

All right, such content with animals is against Patreon rules. But Decent Monkey might not have showed anything. Monica could have just screamed, then the black screen, and we hear her say: "You will pay for that, Steve!" and then sucking sounds. That is all. At least it would have been funny and made that choice matter.

Or for example, Steve might not make Monica suck dog's dick, but said something like: "All right, I'm joking". And then force Monica to put on a dog's costume (similar to the one in Marcus' branch) with a huge butt plug up her ass in the shape of a dog's dick and fuck her there in his office.

That would be something. It would be unusual. But the current ending has nothing. Just a couple of dull scenes.
Btw I also don't like animal content but I don't understand its being against Patreon rules. For example Office Wife and many other games have those animal content, how Patreon allow them ? It doesn't make any sense to me.
 
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Btw I also don't like animal content but I don't understand its being against Patreon rules. For example Office Wife and many other games have those animal content, how Patreon allow them ? It doesn't make any sense to me.
The fact that someone sneaks animal content into their games and then sells them through Patreon at their own risk is the problem of such devs. Sooner or later they'll get hit on the head if they don't act smarter and more cunningly ("special" patches, DLC, etc. distributed through other channels).

As for banning bestiality at the Patreon policy level, AFAIK, that policy (and some other restrictions on controversial content) was originally proposed by PayPal. These moralfags were the very guys who pressured Patreon into adopting these restrictive clauses. If what I've heard is true, it's one more reason to argue that any monopoly (in the absence of equivalent competition) is evil, and PayPal is clear evidence of that.
 
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